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> Personally, I'd find it hard to believe Jagger
> would tolerate it if Keith was showing up drunk
> every night. Just because he's Keith doesnt mean
> he wouldnt be hearing about it from the rest of
> the band if his problems were due to his own
> over-indulgence.

I had been thinking the same about Jagger tolerating what Keith does. But I guess he does tolerate it or he’s long since understood there’s nothing he can do about it. Jagger did tolerate Keith’s habits in the 70s, and there were gigs were Keith didn’t function at all. Was it e.g. Earls Court

> They never got that tune right, did they?

In 1994/95 they got the sound right with Keith's Les Paul. IMO the best version played.

here´s a great youtube version of Paint it black.

Iltalehti wrote that Keith is not allowed to go out anymore. He was drunk on stage and they don´t want bad publicity for the rest of the tour.

Personally I didn´t care if he was drunk or not, I was rather expecting them to be high or something, it´s after all The Rolling stones!

Still feeling high when looking clips from youtube...

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> A short and late review:
>
> Great show in every aspect, Mick and Ron were
> especially impressive. They all seemed determined
> to make it a good show and have fun at the same
> time. Excellent sound. The horns and the piano
> were just background musicians while the guitars
> and the drums carried the sound. Rons slide sound
> was the best possible.
>
> Whatever the case is with Keith he certainly did
> not ruin the show. He was in a good mood and
> charmed the whole stadium with his solo numbers.
> Just a few blackouts that probably only some
> "experts" noticed. It was strange that he had
> major problems walking to the end of the right
> wing during TD, but when he finally got there he
> played a great solo without any problems.
>
> All the warhorses were highlights. SFTD, PIB, HTW
> and JJF was particularly energetic and BS got the
> whole stadium to feel like a big family. Besides
> the warhorses we got an extremely good version of
> CYHMK.
>
> All in all this was a completely different show
> than the last one in Finland 2003. It was a
> serious and powerful performance with an exciting
> set list. Mick seemed to really enjoy himself and
> you got adrenaline kicks by just watching him run
> all around the stage.

I completely agree with Bärs! It was such a great experience that any words to describe it would sound trivial. My personal highlights were SSC and SFTD, much because of Mick´s excellent singing and his complete devotion. I really was lost in his voice, his moves, his charm, and his whole appearance! As Keith is concerned, I HOPE he was drunk and not suffering from anything serious. Although he had his blackouts it was great just to see him, and when he came to the right wing where I was sitting, I was just grateful and felt "honoured" that he would do that for "us"! :-) Seeing both Ron and Charlie looking so happy and friendly made me happy too. It looked like they really appreciated the numerous applause from the audience, still after so many years!

Before the concert I had secretly hoped to get to hear my personal favourites Little T&A and Under My Thumb, but as I said to my company afterwards, I'm glad I didn't, because I simply would have FAINTED! That should sum up my personal concert experience! :-)

It seems Keiths numbers are very soulful and great, some of the warhorses total crap with a reckless Keith, and the rest of the show very focused performances? Good setlist.

mcguire and topi....chill out a bit or youse will have to get a room......
dont you get it......youse are sposed to slag keith off, slag the slaggers or be able to tell the which boot has the best version of "paint it black", which concert it was , how many people were there and what their names were.......thats a real iorr-er........

Gasoline to the fire...
I just realised 'It's all over now' was the 50th song I got this tour.
Must be a sign. Ouch. Thank G/someone it's Friday and soon time for a beer.

TE
Oslo

I dont like this "I didn´t care if he was drunk or not, I was rather expecting them to be high or something, it´s after all The Rolling Stones!" attitude of some people here, there surely was a time when this "sex & drugs & rocknroll"-thing was chicque, but in the end too many great musicians were destroyed by lifestyle like this, and do we really need-want the Stones or Keith go the same way? time to grow up for some people, I guess - Keith of course, but most notably also some fans. beyond "Stones image" there are human beings, dont forget that!!! I cant stand that Keith is Keith shit anymore, Keith is human being, and I dont expect him high "or something", I just hope he is ok, and if not, that he will recover and will stay ok. I dont wanna see childish "sex & drugs & rocknroll"-spectacle when it is obviously no game anymore that Keith can handle!!!

Here is a great version of Keith's ablities:

Well it seems the general consensus here from Finland is that it was a very good show, better than Licks 2003 and all the positives(full stadium, good weather, well chosen set list, great Mick, Ronnie, Bobby etc.) far outweighed any negatives(a few Keith bum notes and stumbles).

And if it wasn't for the cancellations last year a bigger bang tour wouldn't have come here at all. As one newspaper here said, if that was the last time the Stones play in Finland it was a great way to fin(n)ish. I agree.

Well done to everyone who was involved in the show!

ps. ailmente - did you really saying that Keith should grow up??? ha!

Finnstone, if you really think that the show was very good then I must ask you what other Stones you have seen?

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> ps. ailmente - did you really saying that Keith
> should grow up??? ha!


I am not the one to give Keith instructions, its his choice to go one way or the other. but seems to me that if there is a time in Keiths life to grow up it seems to be now, because this "sex & drugs & rocknroll"-thing is obviously no game that Keith cant handle anymore. Woody obviously realized it and I rather prefer to see the current Woody than the Woody he was a year or so ago. but again it is his choice not mine. if he wants to, he might follow these "Keith is Keith" shoulderclappers and yessaying "Keith youre great and you cant fail"-arselickers. I wouldnt agree, but who am I? ha!



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TooMuchAlcohol, I said that the general consensus in Finland was that it was a very good show.

I'm no superfan. I've seen Steel Wheels, Urban Jungle, Bridges to Babylon, Voodoo Lounge and Licks stadium shows and Brixton Academy and the Astoria.

Finnstone, I didn't meant that if you haven't seen hundred of shows then your opinion is not valid. Not at all. I just can't believe that you call this show as very good. I haven't seen too many shows either (21), but this show in wednesday was absolutely worst I have seen. I have seen 4 shows in this summer and I cannot say that there were great or excellent, or even close. But I was pretty much satisfied after all those shows. After Helsinki show I was really shocked.

I wouldn't say anything about the consesus. Everybody I talked to have said that Mick was great and Keith was awful and Ronnie wasn't too good either.



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You don't need to have a list of shows to compare with. If you thought the show was great then it was great.

Everyone I've spoken to was satisfied. Specially the non Stones fan from the age span of 23 to 65 who saw them for the first time were amazed (I had quite a few of them in my company). That's in my book the most important thing.

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latvianinexile Wrote:
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> Gazza Wrote:
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>
> > Personally, I'd find it hard to believe Jagger
> > would tolerate it if Keith was showing up drunk
> > every night. Just because he's Keith doesnt
> mean
> > he wouldnt be hearing about it from the rest of
> > the band if his problems were due to his own
> > over-indulgence.
>
> I had been thinking the same about Jagger
> tolerating what Keith does. But I guess he does
> tolerate it or he’s long since understood there’s
> nothing he can do about it.

What he CAN do about it if he was dissatisfied would be to say "enough is enough" if HE thinks that its a problem that cant be resolved and is going to damage the band's reputation as a performing act in the future. In the 70's, there was more mileage left in the band and the problem had a 'cure'. Thirty years later, its a different ball game. I dont personally think Keith is unable to control his intake, I think that whatever it is, its more a case of his age, health and lifestyle starting to catch up with him.

Jagger did tolerate
> Keith’s habits in the 70s, and there were gigs
> were Keith didn’t function at all. Was it e.g.
> Earls Court

well..some of Earls Court ended up on a live album, so they cant have been THAT bad. Whilst I wasnt at that tour and from the recordings its my least favourite one, I've never read anything to suggest that Keith was so out of it that he was unable to function.

Keith was almost dead at Knebworth.....the band came on very late cause Keith wouldnt wake up...remember!

latvianinexile Wrote:
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> Don't like some of the comments and theories from
> people who were not there about what state Keith
> was in last night. It was more than clear what it
> was. The interesting thing was that his playing
> (when he played) was somewhat better than on some
> of the first dates of the 2007 tour.
>
> Last picture is Toots of Toots & The Maytals with
> daughter, myself with son.
>
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Cool pic love that band.....they invented ska!!

Gazza Wrote:
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> latvianinexile Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gazza Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Personally, I'd find it hard to believe
> Jagger
> > > would tolerate it if Keith was showing up
> drunk
> > > every night. Just because he's Keith doesnt
> > mean
> > > he wouldnt be hearing about it from the rest
> of
> > > the band if his problems were due to his own
> > > over-indulgence.
> >
> > I had been thinking the same about Jagger
> > tolerating what Keith does. But I guess he does
> > tolerate it or he’s long since understood
> there’s
> > nothing he can do about it.
>
> What he CAN do about it if he was dissatisfied
> would be to say "enough is enough" if HE thinks
> that its a problem that cant be resolved and is
> going to damage the band's reputation as a
> performing act in the future. In the 70's, there
> was more mileage left in the band and the problem
> had a 'cure'. Thirty years later, its a different
> ball game. I dont personally think Keith is unable
> to control his intake, I think that whatever it
> is, its more a case of his age, health and
> lifestyle starting to catch up with him.
>
> Jagger did tolerate
> > Keith’s habits in the 70s, and there were gigs
> > were Keith didn’t function at all. Was it e.g.
> > Earls Court
>
> well..some of Earls Court ended up on a live
> album, so they cant have been THAT bad. Whilst I
> wasnt at that tour and from the recordings its my
> least favourite one, I've never read anything to
> suggest that Keith was so out of it that he was
> unable to function.


I once owned a vinyl bootleg of Earls Court. On the cover was picture of Keith sitting, almost lying against his amps and holding his guitar. He had lost his boots but and had a very stoned smile. I'm not 100% sure the picture was from the concert the boot was from, but I think it was. Some years ago that same picture was posted on one of the forums and someone wrote a comment that it was taken shortly before he passed out.

rooster Wrote:
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> Keith was almost dead at Knebworth.....the band
> came on very late cause Keith wouldnt wake
> up...remember!


No i dont. I ve seen the concert and heard the boots and Keith is great, the rhythm, the solos, the riffs and feel, its all there despite the heroin fog. He was piloting that plane on smack. It's pointless to compare with the 70s or 80s because he was a rock god back then and by that I mean he was really a great guitarplayer, singer and song writer. He rocked and now he hardly plays the same solos and licks or riffs he's been playing since the start of the Vegas era: 1989.

>> I'm not 100% sure the picture was from the concert the boot was from, but I think it was.
Some years ago that same picture was posted on one of the forums and someone wrote a comment that it was taken shortly before he passed out. <<

it sounds like you're describing a photo from Olympic Studios, purportedly december 18th 1969 -
here, is this the one you mean?


- courtesy of Rockman

i'd sure need to know the source before believing that Keith passed out seconds later.
to some people, Keith is on the brink of passing out just by definition, no matter what he does.



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just for contrast: Keith at Earls Court in 76:


- Earls Court, may 22nd 1976, courtesy of Logie

Don´t look now, but my comments in this thread even made The Sun. Now, is that something to brag about...hmm...

Wow, the must've read the whole thread here....
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Belgrade-Bucharest-Budapest-Brno

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> just for contrast: Keith at Earls Court in 76:
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> - Earls Court, may 22nd 1976, courtesy of Logie


Thank you. YOu can still see the really young Keith in that pic.

Topi Wrote:
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> Don´t look now, but my comments in this thread
> even made The Sun. Now, is that something to brag
> about...hmm...

Hey! The Sun!
Keef were great in Brno!!

Glad to hear that Keef apparently got his act together again, at least in Copenhagen.

Love is strong was a killer.
Keith,though he fell once,was in excellent voice.I saw him closely,he was sober,
seems he just had slipped.