I hope that Mick's new album isn't like the trendy crap out there, I know he can do better than that! Living in a dorm I get to overhear a lot of crappy trendy music, especially from people who have those huge speakers in the trunk of their car and just blast them while parked in the parking lot outside my window. And I'm stuck with little laptop speakers so even on full volume the Stones can't drown out the crap!

Jack Knife Wrote:
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> Sad news indeed. I guess this means the Rolling
> Stones really are done after their last show at
> Wembley Stadium in London. Record contract done.
> Last tour dates of the final tour made up and
> finished. Career spanning film released. Mick
> already beginning--or more than likely also
> ending--his solo career on Capitol. How weird is
> that? He finishes his recording career on his
> own--which he always wanted anyway--and on the
> Beatles label. Mick has always wanted to be as
> successful as as a solo artist as the Beatles were
> individually.
>
> The four will then vanish into obscurity--Keith
> and Ronnie a guest appearance here and there,
> Charlie at Ronnie Scott's every once in a while,
> Mick behind the scenes in the movie business.
>
> It was bound to happen sooner or later.
>
> Too bad they couldn't have done one last great
> Stones album while they were still playing
> together.
>
> Very sad.



Dont see that the two are mutually exclusive - once the Euro tour is done, the Stones probably wont work for a while anyway regardless of what Mick's solo plans are for the simple reason that they'll have had been active for about 3 years since starting work on ABB by that stage.

Mick will probably have his album recorded soon - done on an on and off basis during Stones downtime while this tour has been going on - then will put the finishing touches to it and release it later in the year. If past experience is anything to go by, he'll do a bit of promotional work for it but not tour behind it - so it'll have all been over and done with by the end of 2007.

I cant see how that interferes with future Stones plans in the slightest. Mick's staying active and creative. Its hardly his fault if the rest of the band arent similarly inspired to work regularly.

I dont see the Beatles link. After all, theyve been on the same label before (EMI, which is actually the Stones' current label anyway)

But if A Bigger Bang didn't do well commercially and most of Mick's previous solo stuff was not well received. Then what's the point in releasing a solo album? I can't beleive Keith would have a problem with working regularly.

How about a Keith/Mick tour and not call it the Rolling Stones?

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> But if A Bigger Bang didn't do well commercially
> and most of Mick's previous solo stuff was not
> well received. Then what's the point in releasing
> a solo album?


Because when you have the ability to write songs or create something artistic...it's a natural occurence. People who are artists, don't ONLY do it for the money or how many CDs they'll sell..it's an expression of themselves that they cannot control. Writings songs is an interesting beast. You have the feeling, you write the song, and you wanna share it. You realize not EVERYONE will like it..but it's worth it just to the few who will like it. Sometimes you don't have to have a demand in order to supply for an album.

People forget that when artists put out album, yes of course it's for the fans..but for the most part..it's for the artist.

Yeah but mick is always pretty careful about his image and I would think concerned about his legacy. Why put out something that might bomb and could be your last recording?

sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> Yeah but mick is always pretty careful about his
> image and I would think concerned about his
> legacy. Why put out something that might bomb and
> could be your last recording?


There's no way to find out if anything's a bomb..unless you put it out there. And if the fact that this COULD be Mick's final solo cd (if not ONE of the last) and the fact that he's careful about legacies...that should be enough to guess that he feels confident and positive about his latest creations.

It seems Mick continues to be very motivated and driven. And God bless him. My guess is most Stones fans always root for his success. Whether he achieves it or not is in the ears of the beholder.
I will always have faith that Keith still has a bunch of great songs in him, just waiting to get out.

I wish Mick and Keith were working together.

The simple and sad fact is, they can't stand each other right now. They became very alienated from one another, especially as that last tour wore on. It was pretty common knowledge that there was serious animosity from both camps. I know some of you know what I'm talking about.

I hope that someday they become close friends again. Long live the Rolling Stones.

souldoggie Wrote:
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> The simple and sad fact is, they can't stand each
> other right now. They became very alienated from
> one another, especially as that last tour wore on.
> It was pretty common knowledge that there was
> serious animosity from both camps. I know some of
> you know what I'm talking about.


Where did you hear this? Maybe I've missed something, but I've been on this site since the start of this tour and have heard many reports of how well they were getting along. Also, from the show I saw, plus photos and videos from other shows they seemed to be getting along ok. They had some disputes but that's normal for people who are together as much as they are on tour. Can you please give some examples of them not being able to stand eachother right now?

sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> Yeah but mick is always pretty careful about his
> image and I would think concerned about his
> legacy. Why put out something that might bomb and
> could be your last recording?


I don't see him being concerned about his legacy at all. He doesn't look back, he doesn't look on future, he just stick in the present, tries to be trendy (to an extent) and relevant, but most of, follow his instincts (to an extent). Does what he does best and hopes for the best (hit records and to be admired by the youngsters).

And I even have the feeling that he sees The Stones Tours as his day-time job and money-machine to cover his life expanses and raise his family etc. Within that concept he knows that the paying audience is the elder generations (the baby boomers) and their lust for nostalgy. The way Jagger leads The Stones is not like taking care about their legacy but more like milking out the past (and in a long run: ruining the legacy).

He is so well paid by that job that perhaps he feels himself secure enough to have some artistic freedoms here and there: film productions, solo records, etc. He still seem to have an artistic spark, and I can understand that the fixed, conservative world of The Stones does not give him anymore a forum for that (and I think not for some 25 years).

- Doxa

I agree with Gazza and it really pisses me off that so many think of this as a death knell! Even if all of the contracts are completed, it does notr mean, with any certainty that we'll never see another Stones concert! And WHY weren't you all prepared for the end of BIG TOURS!? Haven't you been following the Charlie scenario!? After he had cancer, was cured, came back STRONG( which really surpried and pleased me!), he said " I'll do this last tour, but that will be IT for me with major tours!" And as Gazza said, why does it anger STONES FANS( supposed STONES FANS) if Mick wants to continue to create music? HE IS A MUSICIAN! Are you mad because Keith is not as inspired or has not been creative in decades!?

>he said " I'll do this last tour, but that will be IT for me with major tours!"

he did?

All i can remember is that he mumbled "Yes" at the press conference at Juillard at the usual question "Is it going tobe the last tour...."
But he could be just joking
or telling the truth with a joke...

Yes, he did say that, I don't think it was said at an interview in front of cameras, rather he said it and Mick relayed what he said. Charlie does not say much to the press ( NO KIDDING!). I recall he just muttered YES at Julliard.

CHARLIE RIGHT! MICK IS STONE SO SOLO GOOD THEN YES!

Mick played Han Solo what????

Seeing as no rumors leaked about anyone working with Mick on new material, I presume there are one or two scenarios. The first would be that Mick has thus far only recorded home demos for the new songs and will cut the album quickly in September for a December release. The second would be since Mick has made substantial improvement on guitar, slide (see GITD and AB, and bass (AB he's doing a McCartney and playing all the instruments himself with just a drum machine. Much as I would like to hear Jagger put out some of the blues tracks he cut with The Red Devils or whatever he cut with Rich Robinson and Reeves Gabrels for GITD, I don't see him any more interested in looking backwards as a solo artist than he does with the Stones. As for how this matters career-wise, I agree with Gazza that its a moot point. Virgin/Capitol would doubtless like to extend their agreement with the Stones and are hardly going to use Jagger solo as a weapon in that relationship. Live Licks was sold with an insert advertising GITD, Forty Licks, and Alfie here in the States. Mick's album will likely coincide with the ABB live album and Scorcese movie and/or rumored DVD set. The Stones are hardly looking at fading into obscurity and its as foolish to imagine that as it is to imagine a rigorous world tour when these guys are in their seventies. They might have another go-round left, they might not. I would bet on contract negotiations next year with an eye on one more album and world tour to soak every last bit from it as long as health cooperates with everyone. I'm sure the plan is always to go for one more round if possible. As for album sales...here in the States, Wandering Spirit sold half a million while GITD and Primitive Cool sold around 300,000. Those are not bad numbers by any measure and certainly justify continued label support if they are willing to continue creating. ABB may have disappointed expectations...as did BTB truthfully...but shipping a million copies in the US and every studio album certified platinum for decades on end is hardly a mark of a band headed for the slag heap. Sure the glory days are over and they ride the nostalgia wagon. Why shouldn't they? They earned it and kept it. No one else from the 60s can make that claim to the same level. I welcome Mick's album and hope Keith gets off his butt and makes a new album as well. I don't expect a full-fledged Winos and I'd be content with Keith doing his Hoagy Carmichael/Tom Waits impressions if that's what he wants. Of course, I can always put on I'm Ready from Make It Funky to remind myself Keith can still rock out without relying on brass, keyboards, back-up singers if he wants to.



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Lindsey Buckingham recorded his most recent album backstage and in the hotel on his portable computer during the pre- and after hours of the last Fleetwood Mac tour. Maybe Mick has done something likewise, too?

>>But if A Bigger Bang didn't do well commercially >>> bullshit, it did well throughout the world.

souldoggie Wrote:
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> It seems Mick continues to be very motivated and
> driven. And God bless him. My guess is most Stones
> fans always root for his success. Whether he
> achieves it or not is in the ears of the
> beholder.
> I will always have faith that Keith still has a
> bunch of great songs in him, just waiting to get
> out.
>
> I wish Mick and Keith were working together.
>
> The simple and sad fact is, they can't stand each
> other right now. They became very alienated from
> one another, especially as that last tour wore on.
> It was pretty common knowledge that there was
> serious animosity from both camps. I know some of
> you know what I'm talking about.
>
> I hope that someday they become close friends
> again. Long live the Rolling Stones.


......hope springs eternal.................