I Wish I Never Met You Wrote:
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> Who really cares about Van Halen anymore. Eddie
> is a clown who use to be a great guitarist. I
> never liked him and am very unimpressed with the
> groups music output. One of the most overrated
> bands of all-time.


Well, I am pretty underwhelmed by that post. lol

Hmm, let's see...
A nice Saturday Van Halen rant...


Mel Gibson pulled a pathetic loser move --> rehab.
Michael Richards pulled a pathetic loser move --> rehab.
Britney Spears pulled a pathetic loser move and hasn't had a hit in a while and needs exposure --> rehab.
Lindsay Lohan hasn't done anything lately to keep her celebrity --> rehab--> rehab.
Pete Doherty relalized he's not very interesting --> rehab.
Welcome to "Yourajokeland" Eddie.

I agree with the comments about people identifying with the singer. For this, naturally, the voice carryies the most weight in a band. This is a fact - with one near (oh so close but not quite) exception - Led Zeppelin. Page shares the spotlight with Plant with every fan of the group. Maybe the Who, too. I dunno.

Certainly Mick is the star of the Stones. Yes, I know he pioneered his sound and for this and his riffs I love him to death, but a Gazillion people can play like Keith. There's probably 200 who post here alone! But NO ONE IN THE WORLD sings like Mick.

I know this fact doesn't sit well with a lot of macho dudes and closet Mick wannalickers, but it IS the singer first, band second. That's why if the guitarist is an egomaniac (and so many I've known are) they can't stay in a band very long with a great singer or frontman.

How obvious has it been that Eddie IS the problem in an Halen? Mucho.
This rehab stunt must be his way of saving face after his latest suck-attackfest before he eats crow and goes on the road with (admittedly goofball) DLR.

Playing w/ DLR is THE ONLY way the masses will give a rat's turd about seeing VH at this point. Some fans say "well it's not the same without Michael Anthony". To which the average rock fan says either 'whatever' or 'who?'.

Eddie Van Halen, you suck.

JaggerFan Wrote:

>
> Playing w/ DLR is THE ONLY way the masses will
> give a rat's turd about seeing VH at this point.
> Some fans say "well it's not the same without
> Michael Anthony". To which the average rock fan
> says either 'whatever' or 'who?'.
>
> Eddie Van Halen, you suck.


thats just not true! the average rock fan knows who michael anthony is!!!!!

first of all the average van halen fan so their videos and michael anthony is all over them and he was funny!

thats not to say van halen would sell very well without michael anthony..

JaggerFan Wrote:
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> Hmm, let's see...
> A nice Saturday Van Halen rant...
>
>
> Mel Gibson pulled a pathetic loser move -->
> rehab.
> Michael Richards pulled a pathetic loser move -->
> rehab.
> Britney Spears pulled a pathetic loser move and
> hasn't had a hit in a while and needs exposure -->
> rehab.
> Lindsay Lohan hasn't done anything lately to keep
> her celebrity --> rehab--> rehab.
> Pete Doherty relalized he's not very interesting
> --> rehab.
> Welcome to "Yourajokeland" Eddie.
>
>
> Playing w/ DLR is THE ONLY way the masses will
> give a rat's turd about seeing VH at this point.
> Some fans say "well it's not the same without
> Michael Anthony". To which the average rock fan
> says either 'whatever' or 'who?'.
>
> Eddie Van Halen, you suck.


Well.....you got the "rant" part correct.

Unfortunately, that was pretty much the extent of it.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> jomo297 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I for one can't wait to see the "old" Van Halen
> on
> > the road. I've seen every incarnation except
> the
> > David Lee Roth version. Although I have seen
> DLR
> > solo several times. I'm glad Eddie is going to
> > rehab and getting the help he needs. That is
> very
> > important. However, I am a little confused
> about
> > the timing. Yes, I'm sure he needs rehab but
> why
> > not wait an extra five or six days and appear
> the
> > Hall of Fame ceremony? Will it really make
> that
> > much of a difference? I mean seriously, you
> only
> > get one chance to get inducted into the Hall of
> > Fame. It's not like six months from now he can
> > relive the moment. I hope I'm not sounding
> > insensitive but I just don't get the reasoning.
>
>
> I agree with every word of that post.

I disagree. I think when someone finally hits bottom and realizes they need help, they should do it immediately. The guy is probably on the edge of a nervous breakdown, I doubt he can even pick up a guitar at this point, much less play one. Why should he go to the RNR HOF and embarass himself?

Where has it been said he could not even pick up a guitar? Or that he couldn't play one? Or that he would embarass himself?

You realize that, by his own admission he has been an alcoholic since he was a teenager.

As someone who considers EVH as a player who has taken his well earned spot on the pantheon of guitar greats; I am glad to see him get help and attempt to get his life in order, that is the most important thing---but I have not seen anyone say he was too incapacitated to play and was at the point of embarassing himself.

Well he had to be able to pick up a guitar and play if they were supposedly on the verge of announcing a tour.

Frankly, my guess is that playing guitar is/was one of the few things he WAS able to do.

Eddie was at NAMM a month or so ago and totally kicked ass



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-11 07:51 by Bomber.

good for him; i hope he gets help, as many hundreds of thousands have during the years, including some of the biggest and most talented artists in the world of music, film and literature...it has been a literal life-saver, as well, as obviously, a career-saver...
and many, as we know all to well, have died a young and horrifying death well before their 'time'
it's a wonder that he's still alive...the fury and furor here, as well as the cruelty and arrogant ignorance, are pretty striking.

that last quote about 'sucking' from the exuberantly distorted Jaggerfan 'rant'...well, i'm sure he knows intimately, every single possible thing there could ever be about sucking, and would not dare to challenge his perspective, tho it do seem a bit like a traincrash of misplaced and uninformed invective to mois. wrong plus cruel equals...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-11 14:28 by Beelyboy.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> Where has it been said he could not even pick up a
> guitar? Or that he couldn't play one? Or that he
> would embarass himself?
>
> You realize that, by his own admission he has been
> an alcoholic since he was a teenager.
>
> As someone who considers EVH as a player who has
> taken his well earned spot on the pantheon of
> guitar greats; I am glad to see him get help and
> attempt to get his life in order, that is the most
> important thing---but I have not seen anyone say
> he was too incapacitated to play and was at the
> point of embarassing himself.

I think there is a big difference between being a functioning alcohol who can be drunk and still do his job and an alcoholic that has hit bottom and is ready for rehab. It's all speculation, but I'm guessing that if he thought he could continue drinking and still tour he'd do it.

The fact that he's going into rehab suggests to me that he doesn't think he could perform up to his standards in his current state. And even if he could, it seems a bit insensitive to me to say "screw getting the help you need, just continue killing yourself for a few more days so you can play at the RNR HOF."

I wish Eddie all the best. And I'll hope when he returns out of rehab, that he'll thinks about a reunion tour of the orginal Van Halen. Michael Anthony should be included in that tour.

Ladykiller Wrote:
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> I wish Eddie all the best. And I'll hope when he
> returns out of rehab, that he'll thinks about a
> reunion tour of the orginal Van Halen. Michael
> Anthony should be included in that tour.

I'm too lazy to look up and see who said this earlier on this thread, but I agree that Van Halen will probably wait until next year to reunite, and they'll include Michael Anthony. The Police stole their thunder this year, but VH will be the biggest concert draw of 2008 if they pull off a successful reunion tour with all the original members.

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> Ladykiller Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I wish Eddie all the best. And I'll hope when
> he
> > returns out of rehab, that he'll thinks about a
> > reunion tour of the orginal Van Halen. Michael
> > Anthony should be included in that tour.
>
> I'm too lazy to look up and see who said this
> earlier on this thread, but I agree that Van Halen
> will probably wait until next year to reunite, and
> they'll include Michael Anthony. The Police stole
> their thunder this year, but VH will be the
> biggest concert draw of 2008 if they pull off a
> successful reunion tour with all the original
> members.



Bigger than a Stones U.S. 2008 Tour?

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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>
> I think there is a big difference between being a
> functioning alcohol who can be drunk and still do
> his job and an alcoholic that has hit bottom and
> is ready for rehab. It's all speculation, but I'm
> guessing that if he thought he could continue
> drinking and still tour he'd do it.
>
> The fact that he's going into rehab suggests to me
> that he doesn't think he could perform up to his
> standards in his current state. And even if he
> could, it seems a bit insensitive to me to say
> "screw getting the help you need, just continue
> killing yourself for a few more days so you can
> play at the RNR HOF."

Ok. But, how do you know this? Seriously. Or, for that matter, any of it?
Seems, you are assuming he decided, by himself to go to rehab.
Maybe, he did, but again, how do you know this?

So, maybe those who say, just wait a week, are, in fact, being insensitive.

Or, maybe, you are being pious.

And, the fact that you think Michael Anthony is going to somehow be "reinvited" (which, I so hope you are correct) w/o anything tangible to support that, seems to indicate you have no more insight than the anyone else. So, spare the righteous speech about postponing rehab a week, is killing himself, when he should have been there at least 5 yrs ago.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > I think there is a big difference between being
> a
> > functioning alcohol who can be drunk and still
> do
> > his job and an alcoholic that has hit bottom
> and
> > is ready for rehab. It's all speculation, but
> I'm
> > guessing that if he thought he could continue
> > drinking and still tour he'd do it.
> >
> > The fact that he's going into rehab suggests to
> me
> > that he doesn't think he could perform up to
> his
> > standards in his current state. And even if he
> > could, it seems a bit insensitive to me to say
> > "screw getting the help you need, just continue
> > killing yourself for a few more days so you can
> > play at the RNR HOF."
>
> Ok. But, how do you know this? Seriously. Or, for
> that matter, any of it?
> Seems, you are assuming he decided, by himself to
> go to rehab.
> Maybe, he did, but again, how do you know this?
>
> So, maybe those who say, just wait a week, are, in
> fact, being insensitive.
>
> Or, maybe, you are being pious.
>
> And, the fact that you think Michael Anthony is
> going to somehow be "reinvited" (which, I so hope
> you are correct) w/o anything tangible to support
> that, seems to indicate you have no more insight
> than the anyone else. So, spare the righteous
> speech about postponing rehab a week, is killing
> himself, when he should have been there at least 5
> yrs ago.

If you'll read my post you'll see that I said "it's all speculation." The bottom line for me is that if he's in rehab, people shouldn't be giving him shit about it, saying wait until after the RR HOF and/or the tour. Rehab is a positive step, I don't see why there's such a negative reaction to it.

If Ron Wood annnounced he was going back in rehab two weeks into the European tour (god forbid), would people on here say "you've been in and out of rehab for years, quit whining and get your ass back on the road?" I suppose some would, but I just think that's kind of a shitty attitude.

All true, no doubt--if you read my posts---I have maintained, consistently, "getting better" is the most important thing.

I just fail to see, absent, any evidence to the contrary, how holding up rehab a week, to a life long alcoholic, is somehoe outcome determitive. But, Jeez, I am not a Dr.

Just not sure that playing at the RnR Hall of Fame and rehab, in EVH's case, is somehow "mutally exclusive", which seems to be what some are saying.

There is nothing wrong with Eddie checking into rehab if that's what he really needs. The timing just seems real strange. On the verge of receiving a very prestigous honor and sharing it with a couple of people he may have personal issues with. Rather than deal with Eddie and Sammy he checks into rehab. Tell me that does'nt seem a little wierd.

he can check in rehab and attend the rock'n'roll hall of fame induction! the two are not exclusive..evidently he is using it as an excuse.... there might be some serious bad blood now between him and roth if there were, as i suspect, disagreements over money which led to the tour being scrapped..

To quote Frank Zappa - Shut Up And Play Your Guitar!

Jerry Garcia did not appear at the Hall of Fame awards..they brought out a cut out of him. Jerry was still alive at the time. I think it was the Rock Hall awards.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> I just fail to see, absent, any evidence to the
> contrary, how holding up rehab a week, to a life
> long alcoholic, is somehoe outcome determitive.
> But, Jeez, I am not a Dr.

I'm not a doctor either, but I've known several people who went to rehab and in each case it was when they reached a point where they could barely function anymore - they certainly weren't capable of doing their jobs or much else for that matter. But I suppose that isn't always the case. I just have a suspicion EVH reached that point based on his downhill slide the past few years as evidenced by various photos and wacked-out interviews.

I'm sure the whole story will come out somewhere down the road. Maybe he was sitting around one day doing shots, feeling great, looking great, playing great, and he suddenly said "you know what, things are so great I think I'll go into rehab and screw up the HOF and the upcoming tour. It's not urgent or anything, but what the hell."

Last thing I heard is that Roth will not be at the HAll of Fame dinner, etc. He was turned down when he offered to perform. He will not just sit there watching Velvet Revolver play a medley. Looks like Michael Anthony will be the only member in attendance..should be an interesting speech. It reminds me of the time Judd Hirsh accepted an Emmy Award for the sitcom TAXI and it was cancelled several months earlier.

stoned_in_dc Wrote:
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evidently he is using it as an
> excuse.... there might be some serious bad blood
> now between him and roth if there were, as i
> suspect, disagreements over money which led to the
> tour being scrapped..

I must admit that does sound possible. I'm still betting on "too @#$%& up to play guitar" as the reason, but you make a good point.

Ever since I saw those gruesome photos I've been thinking geez, this guy is most likely to wind up either in rehab or a coffin pretty soon.

Fair enough, neither of us are Drs

BUT---did the people you know that went to rehab sound like Eddie did just a month or two ago? See, that would seem to be the difference,,,,

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> Fair enough, neither of us are Drs
>
> BUT---did the people you know that went to rehab
> sound like Eddie did just a month or two ago? See,
> that would seem to be the difference,,,,

Ok, let's split the difference and say 50% chance it's too @#$%& up to play, 50% chance it's hates one or more bandmates. Or it could be money. Or maybe space aliens told him not to do it.

it must really suck being a gazillionaire rock star has-been....eggh??

its all about the benjamins!

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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>
> Ok, let's split the difference and say 50% chance
> it's too @#$%& up to play, 50% chance it's hates
> one or more bandmates. Or it could be money. Or
> maybe space aliens told him not to do it.


Fair enough---split the difference.

Thought the space aliens theory souds intriguing. lol