Re: Rockman please post exile
Date: February 10, 2007 22:39
LieB Wrote:
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> theanchorman Wrote:
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> > Mathijs Wrote:
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> > > The entire story of how the Stones recorded
> > Exile
> > > in Keith's basement is more myth than truth.
> > > There's just seven tracks of wich only the
> > backing
> > > tracks (drums, maybe some rythm guitar, maybe
> > some
> > > bass) were recorded at Nellcote:
> > >
> > > Rip this Joint, Shake Your Hips, Casino
> Boogie,
> > > Happy, I Just Wanna See His Face, Turd on the
> > Run
> > > and Ventilator Blues.
> > >
> > > Rocks Off, Torn and Frayed, Loving Cup and
> Soul
> > > Survivor were recorded completeley in LA,
> > spring
> > > 1972.
> > >
> > > All other tracks were recorded at Stargroves
> > and
> > > Olympic Sound throughout 1970, and overdubs
> > were
> > > added in LA, spring 1972. Overdubs means all
> > > keyboards, most guitars, all brass, most
> bass,
> > all
> > > lead vocals, all backing vocals. All in all I
> > > guess about 20% is recorded at Nellcote.
> > >
> > > Nellcote is an important place as it did set
> > the
> > > mood for the entire album. In this way, Exile
> > can
> > > be seen as a concept album, showing the
> darker,
> > > seedy side of Americana music mixed with
> > English
> > > Rock&Roll drugs royalty.
> > >
> > > Mathijs
> >
> >
> > No offense, but it has been widley discussed by
> > Keith, Andy Johns, etc, that Rocks Off & Soul
> > Survivor were absolutley recorded at Nellcote -
> > among others you said that weren't..
> >
> > Also - songs like Sweet Black Angel, Tumbling
> > Dice, Sweet Virginia, etc were all worked on
> while
> > at Nellcote...
> >
> > Christ - Andy Johns has mentioned having 25
> hours
> > of Nellcote tape on Tumbling Dice alone...
>
>
> Yeah ... Mathijs, don't be so damn quick and
> assured with your "facts" all the time. Few things
> are definite in a subject like this.
>
> I'm not claiming to have the truth either, but I
> definitely think theanchorman is correct in his
> points.
>
> Also, Loving Cup (as well as Shine A Light and a
> few more) were not only recorded in LA '72, they
> were done as early as '69-70.
Loving Cup was worked on and recorded earlier (even as far back as 1969), but the version that appears on the album was re-recorded in LA.
Shine a Light was recorded at Stargroves, overdubs done in LA.
Tumbling Dice was started at Olympics London and finished in LA.
Soul Survivor was started at Nellcote, but the demo was totally re-recorded in LA due to sound problems in the recordings.
Rocks Off is harder to tell: according to Jimmy Miller it was started in Nellcote, but completely rerecorded in LA, but according to Andy Johns the drums and guitar were done at Nellcote.
Most of this information comes from Jimmy Miller and Andy Johns, but you can (most of the time) also hear it in the recording: the drums recorded at Nellcote sound different to the drums recorded in Olympics and LA. The Nellcote drums have a boxy, airy demo-style sound to it, while all other drums have this punch and directness. Check the drums on Ventilator Blues and Happy to Loving Cup and Tumbling Dice, the differences are clear.
Mathijs