Does anybody know if LZ ever did this number off of Presence,live? I don't recall ever hearing much stuff from this album live, except for Nobody's Fault But Mine and Achilles Last Stand.

They rehearsed it on for the Presence tour but never played it.

Coming Down Again

I think on the Page/Crowes tour, they did Candy Store Rock (I think thats the name of it) at some shows.

Page & Plant played Tea for one, a beautiful blues on Presence, live a couple of times in the nineties.

Right, I do remember them doing Tea For One at both oakland shows. With Robert introducing it as "Blues for a summer afternoon ".

scuse me, the song Page did w/ TBC was Hots on For Nowhere, I think.

Tea For One isn't a bad song at all, but it's derivative of Since I've Been Loving You, a much better song.

it's_all_wrong Wrote:
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> Tea For One isn't a bad song at all, but it's
> derivative of Since I've Been Loving You, a much
> better song.


Tea for one has one of Page´s best solos on it, incredible sad and sensitive. It also shows how sparse and delicate John Bonham could play when a song needed that.

Presence - by Zeppelin standards, is their weakest album by far. 2 awesome songs, ALS, NFBM, the rest I can take or leave.

Presence and Bad Company's Run With The Pack came out about the same time as Black and Blue and they provided lots of good listening for a sixteen year old at that time -1976.

I like Black and Blue better than Presence (and Physical Graffiti kicks IORR's ass, for that matter).

1976 - the last year of rock.

Presence is great. Very dry, simple but still kinda progressive heavy rock. I like it better than Black And Blue. Style- and songwise, it is better and more meaningful to its creators than Black And Blue. Agreed that Physical Graffiti is way better than IORR too. But it's kinda ridiculous comparing so different albums anyway.

1980 was a good year for hard rock. Back in Black, Heaven & Hell, Permanent Waves etc.

I used to hate Presence, but it's grown on me a lot and now I like it, although it's still their weakest album.

Well considering Presence followed PG, just one of the best rock albums of all time, that's tough to follow up. But I love the guitar playing on Presence. Plus the album cover was great.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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> 1976 - the last year of rock.

Also the year for Rocks by Aerosmith and BOC's Agents of Fortune.

Presence is a beautiful disc, and in interviews Page has said his favorite. For me IMHO In Through the Out Door is by far their weekest disc...

My tastes differ. Melodically, it moves me more. More varied styles, too. JPJ really came into his own. It was a bigger risk, too. Nice to have songs you can sing along too again.

I do LOVE Nobody's Fault & Achilles Last Stand, though. I really love the Knebworth versions on the DVD, too.

Presence is a fantastic guitar driven album. Lots of energy with a nice slow bluesy Tea for One to end it.

Wasn't Robert Plant in a wheelchair during the recording of this album? I believe he was in a serious car accident while vacationing in Greece?

Yeh, I read that. The whole future of the band was in question. 1977 was Plant's 'comeback' tour in a way. Then his son died.

Isn't that supposedly what nobody's fault but mine was supposedly about? Plant getting in the accident, cancelling the tour.

When they recorded Presence in Munich they only had a couple of weeks, because the Stones had booked the studio for recording Black and Blue. Jimmy Page got a few extra days from Mick Jagger to overbub the guitar solos.

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> Isn't that supposedly what nobody's fault but mine
> was supposedly about? Plant getting in the
> accident, cancelling the tour.


No. Nobody's Fault But Mine is a traditional folk/blues tune. They didn't write it (despite the Page/Plant credit). In fact Bob Dylan did it on his very first album.

jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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> sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> > Isn't that supposedly what nobody's fault but
> mine
> > was supposedly about? Plant getting in the
> > accident, cancelling the tour.
>
>
> No. Nobody's Fault But Mine is a traditional
> folk/blues tune. They didn't write it (despite the
> Page/Plant credit). In fact Bob Dylan did it on
> his very first album.

Dylan did In my time of dyin` on his first album, which Zeppeilin did at Psysical Graffiti.

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> it's_all_wrong Wrote:
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> > Tea For One isn't a bad song at all, but it's
> > derivative of Since I've Been Loving You, a
> much
> > better song.
>
>
> Tea for one has one of Page´s best solos on it,
> incredible sad and sensitive. It also shows how
> sparse and delicate John Bonham could play when a
> song needed that.

I agree.

And as far as Presence in general, it's definitely one that didn't reach out and grab me right away, but it gets more rewarding with repeated listens. Some of Page's best guitar work ever is on that album.

sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> Right, I do remember them doing Tea For One at
> both oakland shows. With Robert introducing it as
> "Blues for a summer afternoon ".


I think you might be mistaking it for Since I've Been Loving You. I don't
have the Oakland shows but have a bunch of others and they all have SIBLY
and none of them have Tea For One.

As someone already pointed out, the songs are pretty similar, which is quite rare for Zep. In fact they may be the only 2 songs that have any real similarity.

Svartmer Wrote:
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> jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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> > sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > Isn't that supposedly what nobody's fault but
> > mine
> > > was supposedly about? Plant getting in the
> > > accident, cancelling the tour.
> >
> >
> > No. Nobody's Fault But Mine is a traditional
> > folk/blues tune. They didn't write it (despite
> the
> > Page/Plant credit). In fact Bob Dylan did it on
> > his very first album.
>
> Dylan did In my time of dyin` on his first album,
> which Zeppeilin did at Psysical Graffiti.


Sorry! Wrong Zeppelin theft! Oops!

That's right, they stole Nobody's Fault from Blind Willie Johnson.
Shoulda googled that first. Haven't heard my old Dylan tape in about 15 years anyways.

I'm shaming myself right now.

It was a long time ago. The first Dylan album is actually very good I think, very bluesy.

Svartmer Wrote:
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> It was a long time ago. The first Dylan album is
> actually very good I think, very bluesy.


It is, but the only problem is that he sounds about twelve years old, which doesnt really work for the 'dark' subject matter of many of the songs.

If he'd recorded that album around the time he did those two albums of traditional songs in the early 90's, it would have worked better as his world-weary voice had 'grown' into the songs.

Surprised to read how 'Presence' is held in such high regard by Zep fans, and also that Page considers it their best album. I've never got into it. The playing is superb but the songs are mostly forgettable. Then ain, I seem to one of the few people who loves 'In Through The Out Door'