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Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 23, 2006 22:40

the rendition that smashed all 130 000 of us flat at Prague 95 will do.
but i'm in the "i'll take 'em all" sector (including Has Everybody Paid Their Dues) - that is some stunning seething fierce hot beast they got cornered there

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: KCSTONES ()
Date: November 23, 2006 22:45

Ya yas..Love Taylors lead

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: November 23, 2006 22:52

I seem to remember that the version on the 7" single (which came out before the album) had a slightly different vocal mix than the album. The main thing I recall is that on the chorus, after he sang "...just no place for SFM" MJ didn't sing "No!".

Anyone else recall that? I don't know why I remember such minutia...

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: November 23, 2006 22:53

schillid Wrote:
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> I seem to remember that the version on the 7"
> single (which came out before the album) had a
> slightly different vocal mix than the album. The
> main thing I recall is that on the chorus, after
> he sang "...just no place for SFM" MJ didn't sing
> "No!".
>
> Anyone else recall that? I don't know why I
> remember such minutia...


i remember that.......sounds like he stutters.....it jumps out at ya...........we're talkin ya-yas version...right?........the more i think about your post..............wrong.....i'm on a different page



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Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: midrambler ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:09

beggars by far at least to me!!!

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: drbryant ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:15

Beggars stereo mix for me. The Pete Townsend intro with Charlie coming in on the up-beat -- awesome, dudes!

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Tseverin ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:28

Great as several live versions are they don't come close for me to the savage intensity of the original. Apart from 'Anarchy In The Uk' it is the only record that has ever led me to start smashing things (as well as tear up my homework on a previous hearing). If it was played loud enough at protest marches I am convinced it could turn them into fully-fledged riots. I love Pete Townshend's description of the instrumental section near the end as the sound of crowds charging police cordons. Paris '68, Jagger joining hands with radicals at Grosvenor Sq., the banned US single sleeve with cops beating up kids at the Chicago Convention, it all seems to gell together in the glorious anarchy of relentless guitar/sitar noise & over it Mick needling & taunting "...everwhere I hear the sound of maaarching charrging feeeet boooayyy!"

It's only rock 'n' roll... I think not.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:32

Tseverin Wrote:
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> Great as several live versions are they don't come
> close for me to the savage intensity of the
> original. Apart from 'Anarchy In The Uk' it is the
> only record that has ever led me to start smashing
> things interesting..........yoko ono's silky-smooth vocals do that to me



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Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:32

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Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Tseverin ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:33

That just makes me want to smash the record.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:34

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Pst, Leonard, is your e-mail working ?


still working buddy

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:39

It's mystery to me why Jagger said that "he didn't like to sing Street Fighting Man live in concert"...somebody wrote so on this board.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:43

i remember Mick saying (last year) that SFM seems to him inappropriate to the current socio-political scene -
they're leaving it out as a form of social commentary.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: November 23, 2006 23:46

Thanks with Sssoul, I thought it was you who wrote so, but I wasn't 100% sure.
Well, that's an unusual comment of Jagger.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: November 24, 2006 00:13

>> Well, that's an unusual comment of Jagger. <<

yeah. i don't really understand his point, especially since it was a regular on the Licks tour -
but apparently my noncomprehension isn't stopping anybody. :E
i guess if SFM sounds too incongruous to Mick/the Stones these days,
it's up to us to change society so we can hear it again.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: November 24, 2006 00:21

True, with Sssoul.
And one more thing, that makes the comment unusual...Jagger rarely speak of such things, either they do it, or they don't do it, while the fans and journalists try to capture what happened (if they did it). They rarely reflect over what stands that's appropriate....they just do it.



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Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: soundcheck ()
Date: November 24, 2006 04:45

........................ beggars ,, a time capsule send into space recording,, ... pure, uncut stones. a true classic.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: November 25, 2006 15:28

schillid Wrote:
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> I seem to remember that the version on the 7"
> single (which came out before the album) had a
> slightly different vocal mix than the album. The
> main thing I recall is that on the chorus, after
> he sang "...just no place for SFM" MJ didn't sing
> "No!".
>
> Anyone else recall that? I don't know why I
> remember such minutia...

Vow, I remember hearing the 7" single version on the radio just before the release ! I was very enthusiastic about it! Being a little short of money (at that time, too), I did not buy the single, but decided to wait for the album to be released some short time after. Then my first impression was a little disappointment, comparatively speaking, at the album track. It seemed somewhat different than the first impression vaguely left on my memory. At the time, I thought that it all had to do with my excitement on first hearing it (so strange,in fact, as Stones tracks almost always grow on me). During the space of time, I rapidly learned to love the album track. But, deep down inside, I always missed what I had experienced during those one or two early radiohearings. What I thought could have been different, I did not know, thinking back. Remember, I did not know there to be different studio versions. My vague impression from one or two hearings was all the same that, what I had heard on the radio, had been marked by another sound of music instruments. That is, possibly had another arrangement, instrument mix or something like that.That is all I can (try to) say. However,it may be schillid who is nearer to what is the correct statement. Thank you, schillid, for the reminder! - This case has a similarity in another issue: The album track I got hold of, buying compilations later on, I will say is somewhat different from the original 7" version of "Paint It, Black" that I bought around the time of the release of the single. I am not at all good at describing music, so I will have to leave an alleged difference to be more " room and air" about the music during some parts of the track.

Then many years later, I read that there had, in fact or allegedly, been two studio versions, one 7" single version and one album version of "Street Fighting Man". Due to various reasons I have never been active enough to acquire the 7" single version. I can't say much distinct about how it was ( and is), only myself verify that it possibly exists as a different entity.

My wonder is in what form this version is available today (to a vinyl listener). Once I hopefully bought an EP, I think it was, that featured a track "SFM". Appearing only to be the album version, to my disappointment.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: J.J.Flash ()
Date: November 25, 2006 18:12

1)Brussels
2)ya ya
3)studio

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: November 25, 2006 18:24

I think the version on the Gimme Shelter movie is not the same show as Ya-Ya's. It sounds better to me. The studio version is really cool. its too hard to decide if I like the live versions better.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: bigbang ()
Date: November 25, 2006 19:25

Not one of my favorites in general, but I prefer the Ya-Yas version over the studio. Don't like the sound of the studio version.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: November 25, 2006 20:26

J.J.Flash Wrote:
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> 1)Brussels
> 2)ya ya
> 3)studio


With Brussels I guess you mean Wembley, Septmeber 9, 1973, which undoubtly is my ever fave version of this song.

The Brussels version is quite terrible as Taylor's guitar is completely out of tune.

Mathijs

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: J.J.Flash ()
Date: November 25, 2006 20:33

You're right ,brussels is a shitty recording. No wonder it was never released officially.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: sweetcharmedlife ()
Date: November 25, 2006 21:37

with sssoul Wrote:
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> i remember Mick saying (last year) that SFM seems
> to him inappropriate to the current
> socio-political scene -
> they're leaving it out as a form of social
> commentary.


So that's why they haven't played it on this tour? I'll take the ya ya's version.

Re: Street Fighting Man - Beggar's or Ya-Yas?
Posted by: Fan Since 1964 ()
Date: November 26, 2006 11:20

I think the version on Stripped is quite frantic too
with great guitar playing from Keith on the acoustic

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

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