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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-12-06 00:33 by Beelyboy.

There will be no more real Stones members.
Ronnie was and still is the new guy.
He is a real Stone.
Now they are four.

They will never be any more.
Everyone else will be backup musicians.
Even Bobby Keys is just backup,
but he is as close as you get to a real stone.
He is real Brown Sugar but not real Stones.
Lisa isn't even real Gimme Shelter,
but I have to admit she is pretty good, in fact great.

PS. By the way if you believe she is a real Stone
then at least make sure her name is spelled correctly, like this:

Lisa Fischer

Bjornulf



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-11-09 23:14 by bv.

Okay, my post was a joke. "Who needs another Rolling Stone?" was all I wanted so say ...

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-12-06 00:33 by Beelyboy.

bv Wrote:
> PS. By the way if you believe she is a real Stone
> then at least make sure her name is spelled
> correctly, like this:
>
> Lisa Fischer

Her name is spelled Lisa Fisher in the Flashpoint-booklet.Sorry,BV...

Big T

Great idea

JustinCaseBandDK Wrote:
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> bv Wrote:
> > PS. By the way if you believe she is a real
> Stone
> > then at least make sure her name is spelled
> > correctly, like this:
> >
> > Lisa Fischer
>
> Her name is spelled Lisa Fisher in the
> Flashpoint-booklet.Sorry,BV...


It's Fischer. [www.timries.com]

Make the stupid posts stop, please....

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

JustinCaseBandDK Wrote:
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> Her name is spelled Lisa Fisher in the Flashpoint-booklet.

Check out the Rarities booklet for some more classic inaccuracies.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-11-09 23:44 by erikjjf.

Make M Cohl a full stone !

I vote for bv!
I hear he plays a wicked triangle.

Don't forget Bernard.

could not have been said any better bv

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Make M Cohl a full stone !


he already is, in all but name. Seems he has at least as much input or influence these days as most of the individual band members.

It's a good idea! Darryl's been with them for 13 years. Ronnie became a member after - more than 20 years(?) and that was embarrassingly late.

So Darryl's not an Englishman... Well, Keith's family, The Duprees, were French protestants /hugenots. I still think it's the musical skills that count - and the fact that he's absolutely needed! The bass is essential in the Rolling Stones, and although I miss Bill (yes, his wall of bass was fantastic), I've finally accepted that he is not going to re-join... And Darryl is a fantastic musician, a nice bloke, has great chemistry with the rest of the guys. What more can we wish for? I'll welcome Darryl as a full STONE any time.

if they would be in the middle of their career and not near the end, it would make sense to think about making someone a full member, but at this point its too late. only thing is noone can be sure how near the end is. also I agree to Rockys post. they dont need a full member anymore. theyre more or less a touring band, and recording records - all that creative stuff - becomes less and less important. they dont release singles every couple of weeks anymore, they dont release albums in regular periods anymore.

You want a reason Darryl isn't a "FULL" Stone?

Let me throw this bomb out and point out the elephant in the room:

He's.....not... white.


Before you kill the messenger of that shocking news, consider this: During the TOTA in '75 the Stones did a famous photo shoot in front of the Alamo. In some pics you see the group along with Billy Preston and Ollie Brown-- all the guys that played on stage.

Other shots you see just the five of them. What disturbed me about that is, at the time Ron Wood was not an official Stone. As the tour program pointed out, he was "on loan" from the Faces. He was just as much of a sideman as Billy, perhaps less because Billy had already toured with the Stones before that.

Of course, Ronnie was more "in" the group then than we realised back then. But there was something weird about that whole set-up. Kind of Jim Crow. I had to wonder if Billy and Ollie felt like they were being sent to the back of the bus when the Stones took those pictures with Ron.

Of course the Stones aren't bigots. But I don't think they're color blind either. The exclusion of Darryl as a full member has more to do with GREEN than black.

And yet, why was Ronnie allowed to pose as a full band member for years? What's the difference?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2006-11-10 18:20 by loog droog.

Darryl Jones should be a full stone. It would be well deserved.

JumpingKentFlash

whew...that was a bomb, loog......a thought provoking bomb. I always value your comments. The comment about Green vs Black of course is the real reason, right?

Thank you Luke. I appreciate you saying so.

I know the "British" criteria is what got Ronnie in, but when I kept reading it as the reason Daryl wasn't made a member, I felt like I was reading "code."

Somehow I feel that if Joey Spampinato had gotten the nod he would be included in all the photos. The "five Rolling Stones" image was important enough to include Ron in '75, right?

It's all speculation...but I think it's an obvious point that we shouldn't just dance around because it seems impolite.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-11-10 18:03 by loog droog.

Mick Avory! Mick Avory! Mick Avory!

Darryl should never ever ever be a full stone.

i dont see the point of that....jones is happy ...btw if you use the argument that he has been w/ them for 14 years or so....Stu was w/ them from the begining.....chuck has been w/ them longer the dayyrl...right?? i would like to be a Stone as well....who would'nt

Darryl is doing a good job, but he's merely a back-up musician for Stones.

i still think that the Stones sounded better w/ Bill....not that they dont sound good now...........2000 lt years!!!

Me too, Bill swings Darryl off the stage...even off the stadium.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-11-10 20:16 by Erik_Snow.

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> Darryl Jones should be a full stone. It would be
> well deserved.

same logic would also apply to Chuck. he plays even longer with them, is their 'musical director' and holds the sound together when the guitarists have bad nights. and yet...a STONE ? not really me thinks.

It would be an insult to the memory of Stu if Chuck were made a full member.

loog droog Wrote:
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> You want a reason Darryl isn't a "FULL" Stone?
>
> Let me throw this bomb out and point out the
> elephant in the room:
>
> He's.....not... white.
>
>
> Before you kill the messenger of that shocking
> news, consider this: During the TOTA in '75 the
> Stones did a famous photo shoot in front of the
> Alamo. In some pics you see the group along with
> Billy Preston and Ollie Brown-- all the guys that
> played on stage.
>
> Other shots you see just the five of them. What
> disturbed me about that is, at the time Ron Wood
> was not an official Stone. As the tour program
> pointed out, he was "on loan" from the Faces. He
> was just as much of a sideman as Billy, perhaps
> less because Billy had already toured with the
> Stones before that.
>
> Of course, Ronnie was more "in" the group then
> than we realised back then. But there was
> something weird about that whole set-up. Kind of
> Jim Crow. I had to wonder if Billy and Ollie felt
> like they were being sent to the back of the bus
> when the Stones took those pictures with Ron.
>
> Of course the Stones aren't bigots. But I don't
> think they're color blind either. The exclusion
> of Darryl as a full member has more to do with
> GREEN than black.
>
> And yet, why was Ronnie allowed to pose as a full
> band member for years? What's the difference?


Significant difference is that Ronnie, as a guitarist, had someone to 'replace' as a band member

Ollie Brown and Billy Preston didnt. A percussionist and a keyboard player in the Stones are always going to be auxiliary musicians. A second guitar player isnt. The Stones had always intended to replace Mick Taylor, the problem being that at the time Ronnie first toured with them they hadnt sorted that matter out.

Ronnie officially joined the Stones in February 1976. His presence on the cover of their next album (Black and Blue) released two months later is evidence of that. So, whilst he was a 'guest' on the '75 tour, he was a band member in 1976, even if he wasnt a 'board' member until the 1990s.

The thing with him being a salaried employee for many years was because he took that option - presumably thinking that it would be more beneficial in the long term than just being a shareholder of a band that most people at the time didnt expect to last much longer.

The problem with Darryl's arrangement is a bit more complex. When the Stones signed their new contract with Virgin and Wyman refused to add his name to it, it meant a greater share of the pie for the existing members. The contract also gave Virgin the rights to repackage the Stones back catalogue. It would be a bit much to expect them to give over a sizeable % of that additional income to a new band member. Bringing in new shareholders at this late stage of the game isnt great business sense.

Like youve said, the only colour the Stones care about is green.

Please have in mind that Darryl once was a act in Miles Davis working band...he's a hired gun i rockbusiness...

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