Still don't see the big deal. Its not like he didn't play the rest of the gig?

Keith's da man - I don't know any other guitarist who can deliver a great song without playing guitar.
Keith can - so he does.

open-g Wrote:
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> Keith's da man - I don't know any other guitarist
> who can deliver a great song without playing
> guitar.
> Keith can - so he does.


tons of character......chorizo, charisma

BB King has been doing this forever!!

Never sings and plays at the same time...it's not a problem...

Ronnie on Banana; Keith on Chorizo. What's to complain about again?

Zagalo Wrote:
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> BB King has been doing this forever!!
>
> Never sings and plays at the same time...it's not
> a problem...


You are correct, it's not a problem for BB.

But if BB put down the guitar for which he is most famously known, never picked it up once and sang ONLY, would you not wonder why?

BB King is the best bluessinger alive. I would see him without Lucille too.

BB's a good blues singer - but if he'd never picked up a guitar, none of us would never have heard of him. Let's be real.

Rockman Wrote:
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> Some amazing photos of YGTS by nursejane over at
> Shidoobee....
>
> [p081.ezboard.com]
> m557.showMessage?topicID=85.topic


Awesome, Awesome photos!!!

Actually I am not surprised, and in a way it seems inevitable. My god, this "sing and play at the same time" was a starting to be a problem (which became more apparant each tour) for Keith in 1972! Remember how Keith would start "Happy", always either seeming to focus more on either the guitar or the vocals - the vocals would usually take a back seat, as he'd be coming in (vocally) a bit late, or singing off mic, til Mick would virtually take over during the latter part of the song (all very cool natch)...Of course it's not an issue on record, but I'd guess Bernard and Lisa and Blondie are a relief for Keith, much as I miss the MJ/KR harmonies. Perhaps a contributing factor to the b.g. singers' presence is J/R's slow but steady independence, alienation from, frustration with each other (Bianca, Anita, creative differences, the drug habits, busts and customs, Mick's solo move in '85, their shall we say differing work habits and lifestyles) - and finally, territoriality (you stay on this part of the stage, each with his own entourage, etc,). The genius of their collaboration not gone, even the friction over mixes and such have led to mostly good records, but things are a lot more complicated than 1969. BUT I really think the more crucial issues have to do with Keith's steadily more ovbious problem singing/playing at the same time. For some time he's played an intro, then sing, then play rhythm or a solo, and sing again, maybe sometimes able to punctuate/interject during the verses. He clearly wants to sing well when he takes a lead (not so evident live before he made his solo albums), and concentrate on playing (and yes entertaining) if Mick's on. Drugs, and especially alcohol likely have contributed - which Keith accepted - to this process, and perhaps the brain surgery/injury have exacerbated. In the studio, like I said, it's less of an issue. But I remember the Keith solo tours in 1988 and 1993, even with Wachtel along, Keith seemed to have no problems with lyrics or vocals (band/Sara Dash support notwithstanding), and the live recordings as well as memories have him playing throughout as well. Brilliantly. And mostly the sets made up of new material or song's he'd rarely if ever sung live.

keith has never really played all that much if he's singing -- listen to the saitama monitor mix of BTMMR its like the odd strum and lots of fumbled vocal cues -- just as keith should be! so the fact that he neglected to have a guitar in his hands made little difference to a great song

OLDKR

oldkr Wrote:
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> listen to the saitama monitor mix of BTMMR

Did you mean Happy?

Ronnie: Me Hungry!

oldkr Wrote:
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> the odd strum and lots of
> fumbled vocal cues -- just as keith should be!
lol

Hasn't anybody noticed yet .. Keith can no longre play guitar and sing at the same time.. it has to be one or the other,,,, he cannot multitask

I've seen Keith do Slipping Away twice. And both times, he has only played the solo. And yes, he sings better when he's letting his guitar rest.
First time I saw it, in Stockholm Stadium 03, he put the guitar on the floor and just held on to the neck during most of the song.
In Bergen he had it hanging around himself.

So I bet there is no strange reason he did one song without any guitar at all. That's Keith. And we all love him, right!

yeah, im remembering four flicks. On sons like thru and thru, nearness of you and slipping away he only played on solos and just sang the rest of the time. didnt bother me, I thought it was cool.

Saw keef singing and playing on all th UK shows.Perfect.So artistic choice.

StonesTod Wrote:
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> Ronnie on Banana; Keith on Chorizo. What's to
> complain about again?

Ronnie is promoting Slide on this again, but what is Keith promoting on Chorizo?

Let me tell you how it is: Keith is full of self-confidence after doing that movie which will very likely be better than anything Mick has ever done in that department. ;-)
So it seems quite natural that Keith is also aiming for the job of the lead singer ;-)

No, but in all sincerity:

Has anybody of you considered that he might have done it deliberately?

I mean it's not about what Keith is not able to do anymore, but it is about what he WANTS TO DO !!!

If he feels like singing only, it's absolutely fine with me. In fact: it is absolutely great. I think that his singing voice got even better after the Fiji incident. At least when I saw the Stones he did absolutely fantastic. Maybe he just said: " I've got a great band here to back me up, why not JUST SING ?
He surely gained more self-confidence in singing after his solo-tours, but yesterday was an absolute first-timer in his career as far as just singing is concerned. And that is truly amazing...


...just some useless information to mess up your imagination...

donnywas Wrote:
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>
> No, but in all sincerity:
>
> Has anybody of you considered that he might have
> done it deliberately?

Sure.

The original post in this thread pondered the question directly: was this simply an artistic choice?

Seems pretty clear to me that the question was considered. And that may in fact be what happened last night.

I'm more than sure that it was Keith's choice not to use guitar on You Got The Silver. In 1999 he used one and he was sitting on stool. Maybe now he wanted to do it different? Maybe he just felt to try something new? He's the MAN who still looks for new, different ways of playing the same songs - look what he did with Satisfaction. It's different each time he plays it - tour of Europe in 2006 is just a great example of it.

So maybe he wanted to try it out without guitar, just singing, to try how it feels. And on 2002/03 he was playing only solo in Slipping Away - that's where he started to experiment with that.

In Europe he played this Place Is Empty only 3 times : in Vienna, Munich and Paris. And he dropped it. I don't know why, but it's again the number when he is using acoustic. Maybe he just didn't feel playing acoustic and singing at once on his set. Again, I don't have a clue. It's very interesting.

It must be unbelievable interesting to see the guy who always had guitar in his hands to stand up front with his hands free. It had to be interesting for Keith as well. So why not try it out if you have such a wonderful guitar player as Ronnie Wood next to you?

and well for those who believe Keith was never good at playing and singing at once - please try to play Little T&A and sing it. Good luck.

it's not when keith ditches the guitar for YGTS that anyone should take note or worry - it's when he does it for the warhorses and joins Bernard and Lisa at the b/u vox stand that we'll need to start worrying....

> In Europe he played this Place Is Empty only 3
> times : in Vienna, Munich and Paris. And he
> dropped it. I don't know why, but it's again the
> number when he is using acoustic.

Yeah, that's true, Piotr, but I felt more like Keith changed for SLIPPING AWAY to express something like: "hey sorry folks, we're a bit late for that European Tour you know, 'cos shit happens sometimes..."
I saw him singing his heart out on that one! Actually he didn't sing the song, he MEANT it. Such a deep meaning of "everything is slipping, fading away etc."
I was afraid that this was Keith's way to say goodbye to the European audience.

Man, what a relief that they are coming back next year..... ;-)

rknuth Wrote:
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> Blondie backed Keith up on guitar for some years
> now. So what's the problem?

What's the problem? Keith is (or was) a guitar player first and foremost, not a crooner godammit!

ChrisM Wrote:
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> rknuth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Blondie backed Keith up on guitar for some
> years
> > now. So what's the problem?
>
> What's the problem? Keith is (or was) a guitar
> player first and foremost, not a crooner godammit!

What's wrong with being a crooner? Godammit !!! ;-)

Keith's love for "crooning" starts very early (Toronto '77; We Had it all (late '70s and goes on to How Can I stop? and Losing My Touch on Forty Licks)
Can't see anything wrong with that and especially not in "crooning live on stage"...

Keith is first and foremost a 'musician' (plays guitar, bass, a bit piano and, yes, SINGS his heart out recently....)

donnywas Wrote:
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> > In Europe he played this Place Is Empty only 3
> > times : in Vienna, Munich and Paris. And he
> > dropped it. I don't know why, but it's again
> the
> > number when he is using acoustic.
>
> Yeah, that's true, Piotr, but I felt more like
> Keith changed for SLIPPING AWAY to express
> something like: "hey sorry folks, we're a bit late
> for that European Tour you know, 'cos shit happens
> sometimes..."
> I saw him singing his heart out on that one!
> Actually he didn't sing the song, he MEANT it.
> Such a deep meaning of "everything is slipping,
> fading away etc."

donnywas - Keith's Slipping Away in Europe was...[speechless]. I can imagine that some people, not even the ones who went to the show, where whinning about Keith not mixing things up. I've seen Keith playing & singing SLipping Away 9 times in 2006 in Europe. Every time it was so moving, it was too much. I even remember myself waiting for it before Horsens gig. He was just all over it. Such a perfect harmony that he was radiating with the song, absolutely touching, heartful way he was singing it. And also I loved to discover the differences in his solos each time I heard it

and at the beggining of the tour whenever he was playing Slipping Away, he was playing BTMMR as the first one. And than at some point he changed it. Slipping Away as a first one and than rocking it up. I wonder why. Another Keith's mystery

> donnywas - Keith's Slipping Away in Europe was....
> I can imagine that some people, not even the ones
> who went to the show, where whinning about Keith
> not mixing things up. I've seen Keith playing &
> singing SLipping Away 9 times in 2006 in Europe.
> Every time it was so moving, it was too much. I
> even remember myself waiting for it before Horsens
> gig. He was just all over it. Such a perfect
> harmony that he was radiating with the song,
> absolutely touching, heartful way he was singing
> it. And also I loved to discover the differences
> in his solos each time I heard it
>
> and at the beggining of the tour whenever he was
> playing Slipping Away, he was playing BTMMR as the
> first one. And than at some point he changed it.
> Slipping Away as a first one and than rocking it
> up. I wonder why. Another Keith's mystery

Piotr, I totally agree with you my dear friend ;-)

I don't know if you saw the Stuttgart show where during Sympathy when he was due to play his first solo (cued in by Mick saying "c'mon Keith") he stepped up in front of the audience, took his hands OFF of his guitar and didn't play the solo at all, but instead big smile and doing his "head, heart and balls routine"...
Another of Keith's mysteries...
Actually, the day after the show I asked Kent Smith about the incident and he told me: "Well, that's just Keith. He sometimes does things like that".... ;-)

donnywas Wrote:
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> > donnywas - Keith's Slipping Away in Europe
> was....
> > I can imagine that some people, not even the
> ones
> > who went to the show, where whinning about
> Keith
> > not mixing things up. I've seen Keith playing &
> > singing SLipping Away 9 times in 2006 in
> Europe.
> > Every time it was so moving, it was too much. I
> > even remember myself waiting for it before
> Horsens
> > gig. He was just all over it. Such a perfect
> > harmony that he was radiating with the song,
> > absolutely touching, heartful way he was
> singing
> > it. And also I loved to discover the
> differences
> > in his solos each time I heard it
> >
> > and at the beggining of the tour whenever he
> was
> > playing Slipping Away, he was playing BTMMR as
> the
> > first one. And than at some point he changed
> it.
> > Slipping Away as a first one and than rocking
> it
> > up. I wonder why. Another Keith's mystery
>
> Piotr, I totally agree with you my dear friend
> ;-)
>
> I don't know if you saw the Stuttgart show where
> during Sympathy when he was due to play his first
> solo (cued in by Mick saying "c'mon Keith") he
> stepped up in front of the audience, took his
> hands OFF of his guitar and didn't play the solo
> at all, but instead big smile and doing his "head,
> heart and balls routine"...
> Another of Keith's mysteries...
> Actually, the day after the show I asked Kent
> Smith about the incident and he told me: "Well,
> that's just Keith. He sometimes does things like
> that".... ;-)


I remember it. I was there. he walked on catwalk for a solo and than he stopped playing. BTW, at the end of the song he fired up a solo while walkin on the rifhgt wing of the stage what made totally surprised Mick saying to the mic "where you going?". And Keith just couldn't stop. He played and played and played. Mick started throwing 'woo hoo" parts again and than "tell me baby, what's my name"...and Keith was still nailing it, but the song was just right about to end LOL. Mick started to run to him (of course with this beautiful pretending that 'everything is under control' entertaining the audience with clapping etc). That was great momentum.
I love The Rolling Stones !

Donnywas, my point is that Keith's reputation as a musician is based on his unique guitar style and when I listen to a Stone's performance I want to hear his gutar as much as possilble. His singing to me at least leaves much to be desired.



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