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Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 19, 2007 22:30


Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: March 19, 2007 22:37

thanks for all this cool information :E



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-19 22:51 by with sssoul.

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 19, 2007 22:46

More to come!

Of course, please feel free to post any relevant stones with amps pics if you like! And correct anything you know to be crap! tongue sticking out smiley



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Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: March 19, 2007 22:49

>> please feel free to post any relevant stones with amps pics if you like!
And correct anything you know to be crap! <<

smile: all i know about amps is what i've learned from sitting on 'em
but i will very happily admire the learned discussion :E



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Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 19, 2007 22:51

sorry about my pic above, dunno to whom the credits go.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-20 00:02 by open-g.

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: March 19, 2007 22:56

His Majesty Wrote:
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> Thought I'd add info about some of the amps
> Keith(and the others) used during late 1966 -
> early 69. My favourite era of the band! tongue sticking out smiley
>
> PART ONE: Between the Buttons
>
> During the early moths of 1967 The Rolling Stones
> were given a whole new backline of the latest all
> solid state Vox amplifiers.
>
> For a few years Vox had been experimenting with
> the use of solid state technology which allowed
> for the use of a variety of on board effects in
> the amps such as tremolo, fuzz/distortion, top
> boost and the new 3-position MRB(mid range boost)
> which had a set range of tones similar to their
> ground breaking wah wah pedal.
>
> They had previously issued the stones with Vox's
> UL- 7 Series amplifiers which were a combination
> of both valve and solid state technology. I am
> unaware of when Vox issued these amps to the
> stones, but The Beatles had them in time for their
> Revolver sessions.
>
> It looks like Keith used the UL-7120 live and in
> the studio, but there is the possibility that he
> would have used the smaller UL-730 for studio work
> during the Between the Buttons sessions, but this
> is just speculation on my part.
>
> [i51.photobucket.com]
> c/Amps%20and%20effects%20pedals/7120mov.gif
> UL-7120
>
> [i51.photobucket.com]
> c/Amps%20and%20effects%20pedals/Vox730.jpg
> UL-730
>
> These amps appear to have been retired following
> some tv appearances in January - February 1967 and
> the introduction of the latest all solid state
> amps courtesy of Vox.
>
> [i51.photobucket.com]
> c/The%20Rolling%20Stones/DSC03055.jpg


Great info! I really don't know much about the amps used in these years, so it's a great read! I bet you already know this site: [www.voxshowroom.com]

Apperently these amps ar quit sought after, with UL-7120 selling for thousands of dollars. Conquerers go for around 1500 euro it seems. That's alot of money for a tranny!

Mathijs

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 19, 2007 23:06

Mathijs Wrote:

> Great info! I really don't know much about the
> amps used in these years, so it's a great read! I
> bet you already know this site:
> [www.voxshowroom.com]
>
> Apperently these amps ar quit sought after, with
> UL-7120 selling for thousands of dollars.
> Conquerers go for around 1500 euro it seems.
> That's alot of money for a tranny!
>
> Mathijs


Yeah that's a great site, they've missed out a couple of the all solid state amps though(I recently bought two!).

I wonder if the stones still have these amps, perhaps in those big warehouse's you've mentioned previously!?

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 20, 2007 15:28

open-g Wrote:
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According to the time frame, 1963, and the information in my Vox book, those amps will be the T.60 bass and two AC30 Twin's.

Photo by Dezo Hoffman perhaps!?

I've revised my late 66 amp post a bit. smiling smiley

Any pics of the boys in the studio with amps in view from late 66 - early 69 would be much appreciated. winking smiley



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Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 20, 2007 16:07

PART THREE: Jumpin' Jacks Banquet

In 1968 the stones continued to use the all solid state Vox amps. Of course, these amps were not used exclusively. Various other amps from the past appear to have still been around and in use throughout the 'solid state' era, such as the Fender Dual Showman and older Vox AC30.

Late 1967/early 1968 also saw Keith introduce a new amp to his collection, the rare Triumph Silicon 100 combo. This combo was first released circa 1965 and featured tremolo, fuzz and top boost. The speakers were four Goodmans 12inch 30 watt with treble cone. The amp was solid state and used 19 silicon devices, with no germanium transistors or valves.

Triumph Electronics actually built amp chassis etc for Vox amps such as the aforementioned ul- series.

Here's the innards of a Triumph Silicon 100.



The earliest footage of the Triumph amp is in the Jumpin' Jack Flash promo video.







During the Beggars Banquet sessions Keith is likely to have used the Vox AC30, Vox Supreme and the Triumph Silicon 100 combo.


Vox AC30 - Vox Supreme


Plugging in to the Vox AC30

For the bass parts Keith played on the album he used Bill's 75 watt Vox Foundation Bass set up which had a cab with a giant 18" speaker!



Although this is a bass amp, it too had the fuzz/distortion and unique MRB effects onboard as part of the first Normal channel. The fuzz/distortion sound was used for the bassline on Child of the Moon.



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Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 20, 2007 17:14

PART FOUR: the bleedin' circus

During the post Beggars Banquet sessions in the Autumn/Winter months of 1968 and in to early 1969 the solid state amps still appear to be in use as well as the Vox AC30 and Triumph Silicon 100.

Interestingly Keith is seen using a Vox Supreme in to Bill's 1x18 bass cab at what is likely to be a September/October 1968 'rehearsal'. This set up was used later on at the Rock and Roll Circus.



For the Rock and Roll Circus rehearsals Keith used the Triumph amp, with Brian and Bill going through Fender Bassman/Dual Showman amps...



For the actual filming Keith used a dual amp set up...

The Triumph Silicon 100 linked to a Vox Supreme. Once again the supreme is going through the 1x18" bass amp cab. Quite how the Supreme is being used(it isn't mic'd up for example) I don't know.




Note linked amps.

For this, his final 'gig' with the stones, Brian used a single Fender Dual Showman, although two amps are set up.



The onset of 1969 is when things start to get murky. There's little evidence to show what was used in the spring of 1969 other than a few pics and quotes.

Tonally however, the Triumph/Vox sounds are still there on record for the tracks recorded pre-Mick Taylor. It has been stated that Keith used the Triumph amp for Gimme Shelter(the tremolo guitar parts at least) and Midnight Rambler has many of the characteristic tonal qualities that these amps offer.

By spring 1969 Keith started to experiment a bit more with amps introducing WEM and later on HIWATT amps in to the fold. Bill is pictured using an early Sound City/HIWATT head and cab during a spring 1969 session.



This is where my stones amp knowledge dwindles to a trickle! I find it pretty amazing that the band used JMI/Vox/Triumph's rather unique solid state amps for at least 2 years!

If anyone knows anything that questions, corrects or confirms what I've posted I'd like to hear from you! smiling smiley





Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 2007-05-25 21:11 by His Majesty.

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 22, 2007 06:56

Thanks to a member of the plexi palace forum, it's been pointed out that it's most likely that the stones used Vox UL-760's during late 66 - early 67, not 7120's.

Part One is now Edited accordingly! smiling smiley

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 24, 2007 19:17

Keith's amps from the back (wow, thats rare - thank you Gwen for finding the site)
and the Fulltone TTE - Tube Tape Echo at Glasgow 2006.


Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 24, 2007 19:21

Looks like a pretty new amp after the Watkins intermezzo.
what about the speakers? Celestion?

oh, and here's the link kindly Gwen posted
[www.fulltone.com]
thanx again

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 24, 2007 19:23

Keith's gear from 2005


Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: March 24, 2007 19:26

That's a great shot of the back of that amp! Now the questions are:

1) what type of tubes/valves are in them?
2) What speakers are in there?
3) what is the effect pedal on the right? I have never seen that one before!

Mathijs

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: March 24, 2007 19:28

By the way, there's a total of three amps: an vintage 50's one, a brand new one on the left side in the first picture, and a liver-colored one on the right side in the second picture.

Mathijs

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 24, 2007 19:33

>>3) what is the effect pedal on the right? I have never seen that one before! <<

That could be something from Elctro-Harmonix, not exactly a Big Muff because they have 3 knobs - but hmm lets search...

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 24, 2007 19:43

2) Speakers could be Celestions - here are my 2






Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Date: March 25, 2007 01:57

the one with the keith graphics on the back is serial number 00003. i have a photo of the inside label but don't know how to post it.

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 25, 2007 07:05

Hey coocooforcoconuts my mail is open - if you can send it to me - I''ll post it in your name.
or - of course, we can walk you thru' the process of posting pictures.
anyway - we wanna see it, paleeze.
hurry up and wait. - will ya?

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Date: March 25, 2007 15:33

you have mail open-g

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: sjs12 ()
Date: March 25, 2007 19:04

What does keith use the tape echo unit for? I guess SMU and Rain Fall Down?

My guess about the stomp box on the right in the picture is that it could be a fuzz box for satisfaction. I've never seen one like that though and I can't make out any writing from that photo. Does anyone know?

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 25, 2007 19:22

coocooforcoconuts Wrote:
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> the one with the keith graphics on the back is
> serial number 00003. i have a photo of the inside
> label but don't know how to post it.

Here ya go - big thanks to you - wow




Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 25, 2007 20:50

btw, the Twin Amp was built on Mick's 14th birthday.
7/26/57

>>What does keith use the tape echo unit for? I guess SMU and Rain Fall Down? <<

as Keith's guitar technican controls the effects, it might be on most of the time.
He might adjust the level amount of the TTE.
if its used subtle it does have a sweet sound.
but I'm only guessing.
watch the video [www.fulltone.com]

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 26, 2007 17:41

>>3) what is the effect pedal on the right? I have never seen that one before! <<

Another question solved - It's a Zinky Master Blaster.

"Master Blaster™ is designed for use with all styles of playing, is extremely quiet in operation, has a highly versatile tone control, and can be plugged directly into a variety of amplifiers. Most notedly, Master Blaster™ can add up to 9 dB of clean volume to an amp without coloring the tone in ANY way at all. Master Blaster™ can also be set to add a treble “shimmer” to the tone, or conversely, to “warm up” an overly bright tone. Master Blaster™ includes separate tone and volume controls, and a true bypass footswitch for on/off operation, all powered by a 9V battery or 9V power adaptor (included). The Master Blaster’s electronics are housed in a rugged brushed stainless steel case with eye catching graphics and a dazzling blue LED."



[www.zinky.com]



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Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: Telecaster_man ()
Date: March 26, 2007 18:26

I never heard before about these Zinky Master Blaster....so apart from Fulltone TTE and Master Blaster did keith use another effects on pedal format?

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Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 26, 2007 19:05

>>...so apart from Fulltone TTE and Master Blaster did keith use another effects on pedal format?<<

I'm peering hard at this pic...


there is another box underneath the Zinky - can't tell what it is - maybe just a power supply.
Then there seems to be an amp channel foot switch between the TTE and (maybe) a transformer.
That seems to be it, for pedal format gear.
but then...
... doesn't that look like a midi control board behind the liver colored amp?
I guess it's for the 19" FX underneath.
a Graphik Equalizer on the top right....
for the rest one would need more close up pics.

if anyone gets near the gear, you know what we want...hint, hint winking smiley

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 26, 2007 19:28

Great detective work open-g!

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: sjs12 ()
Date: March 26, 2007 20:27

More detective work - that speaker has either moved position or been moved to another amp or there are more than one keith sticker speakers in existence. If you look at the top picture, you see the sticker speaker is on the right of the newer looking amp. Peering hard at the liver coloured amp, the speaker with a sticker on is on the left. The close up picture of amp 003 shows the speaker on the right. Being black and white, it's hard to tell the colour from the photo, but there doesn't appear to be a tweed pattern. Hence, I'd say it is the liver colour one which is 003 - is that right coocoofor coconuts?

Re: "Anorak" question re Keith's amps.
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: March 26, 2007 20:49

I think you're right, sjs.
It doesn't show a tweed pattern.
what also confuses me is the fact that there is no wear and tear on that amp.
How can that be an amp from '57?
the tweed amp on the left of the liver coloured one seems genuinely old.
The picture, beeing from 2005 shows 2 amps before the Watkins intermezzo.
So I wonder how much changeing of parts and/or cabinets have been done by the technician.
???

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