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Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: mttlacroix ()
Date: June 6, 2006 17:56

bassplayer617 Wrote:
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> No politics here, just social mores.
>
> I get the impression that some of you don't like
> Americans. I can understand this, to a point.
> We tend to regard ourselves as superior, and have
> a sense of arrogance that comes with power. That's
> the stereotype. The Ugly American.
>
> So, here's me. A couple of you sorta know me. My
> family tree comes from Ireland. Been here since
> the 1750s. No one ever became rich. We're
> strictly working class.
>
> My family's in West Virginia. Strong old country
> values. Work hard, love family, like to have fun,
> love music.
>
> Now, despite my handicap of being an American
> citizen, would I feel welcome in Europe? I do
> wanna come over some day, and visit the home
> country, and see the sights of the mainland.
>
> In my own heart, I think I would feel at home in
> Ireland.
>
> My question is, would I be welcome to visit? Are
> there any countries I should avoid? I've never
> traveled overseas, so this is serious.
>
> Regards,
> Glenn

i was in ireland this past summer, and im french/canadian, and i liked it a lot. It was in this city called Kilrush in County Clare.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:01

I've been to Kilrush! Great little town - on the banks o' the mighty Shannon!

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: CindyC ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:02

I have never been treated rudely in Europe, but some of my friends have, and then they go on to talk about how rude Europeans are. However, it was my friends who were rude, and I was embarrassed. They expect people to behave as we do here in America and when that doesn’t happen they put it down as rudeness on the other persons part.

I have a few simple things that I try to do when I'm travelling.
- Try to learn how to say "Do you speak English" in their language. Don't ask it in English. I don't speak Spanish, but I've had people here start speaking to me in Spanish, and I find that rude. I don't know what they're saying and it makes me feel dumb.

- Learn to say, hello, please, thank you, good bye, yes, no, excuse me, and (very important) "Sorry, but I don't speak ____________ (insert language).

- Read a guidebook to understand local customs, don't just read about the attractions. For instance, learn what to expect in a restaurant, and what's expected of you. You will not get your bill right after you finish eating, sometimes you will be waiting for a long time. I have found in Italy it seems to be considered rude for the waiter to rush over with your check, while in the States, we hate waiting for it.

- In France, you are expected to say hello and goodbye to the salesperson when you go into their stores. in the States, the game is to avoid eye contact with the sales people if you can. in France, that is considered very rude.

That's all I can think of right now, but it's those kind of things that will make a difference in how you are going to be treated.

You should definitely go, and you will love it!

Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:10

good suggestions, Cindy. When in doubt I usually just hunker in the corner of a pub with my pint/shot and hope not to be noticed. works like a charm.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:11

I find it wierd that some Americans are afraid that Europeans, will disrespect them just because of politics of their country.
We're not that silly....at least not me. A person is just a person. A person can't be a country, well, if it's a really BIG person, he might be a small island, but that's it.

When I was in NY, I wondered if people would notice that I wasn't American.
And several times when I was in a store or cafe, they asked me "you come from Russia?" Does that mean "hello", on the NY-language?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-06-06 18:13 by Erik_Snow.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:13

CindyC Wrote:
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> I have never been treated rudely in Europe, but
> some of my friends have, and then they go on to
> talk about how rude Europeans are. However, it
> was my friends who were rude, and I was
> embarrassed. They expect people to behave as
> we do here in America and when that doesn’t happen
> they put it down as rudeness on the other persons
> part.
>
> I have a few simple things that I try to do when
> I'm travelling.
> - Try to learn how to say "Do you speak English"
> in their language. Don't ask it in English. I
> don't speak Spanish, but I've had people here
> start speaking to me in Spanish, and I find that
> rude. I don't know what they're saying and it
> makes me feel dumb.
>
> - Learn to say, hello, please, thank you, good
> bye, yes, no, excuse me, and (very important)
> "Sorry, but I don't speak ____________ (insert
> language).
>
> - Read a guidebook to understand local customs,
> don't just read about the attractions. For
> instance, learn what to expect in a restaurant,
> and what's expected of you. You will not get
> your bill right after you finish eating, sometimes
> you will be waiting for a long time. I have
> found in Italy it seems to be considered rude for
> the waiter to rush over with your check, while in
> the States, we hate waiting for it.
>
> - In France, you are expected to say hello and
> goodbye to the salesperson when you go into their
> stores. in the States, the game is to avoid eye
> contact with the sales people if you can. in
> France, that is considered very rude.
>
> That's all I can think of right now, but it's
> those kind of things that will make a difference
> in how you are going to be treated.
>
> You should definitely go, and you will love it!
>
> TOTALLY agree with what CindyC said here. If every American tourist acted this way we would have very few problems. I've had friends say the same things when they returned from a trip. Somehow, they expect McDonalds and Pizza Hut and Starbucks on every corner and for everyone to be so impressed with the USA. They don't realize that every country has the same amount of pride and feels just as good about itself as most Americans do. I think it's very kind of Europeans to overlook some of this bad behaviour. I've seen Americans behave so badly in Europe that I've had to lecture them on how to behave because I was SO embarrassed. Since the guns are very few I didn't have to worry about being shot. Good one Cindy.


After careful analysis it has been determined that this is not a political statement but a SOCIAL SCIENCE statement.



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Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:15

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> I find it wierd that some Americans are afraid
> that Europeans, will disrespect them just because
> of politics of their country.
> We're not that silly....at least not me.


Just supposin' that American was "W" - still no disrespect? Just supposin'.....after all, he's just an American....

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Date: June 6, 2006 18:15

It's actually interesting how we accept the term "Europe" and "Europeans". Personally I don't mind. But not all Europeans would describe themselves as "Europeans". - I think you can meet nice people all over the planet. Depends on how "open" you are towards other cultures, and...well read CindyC's little guide above. And this forum - I guess - is bringing us all together. Somehow. Peace, love and understanding. As they used to say.....

"Why don't we sing this song all together
Open our heads let the pictures come
And if we close all our eyes together
Then we will see where we all come from"

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:19

T&A Wrote:
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> Just supposin' that American was "W" - still no
> disrespect?


You mean G.W.B?
Well, I wouldn't let him borrow my shotgun, but I'd leave him in peace I suppose.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:27

That's what's great about IORR, it brings people from all over the world together. And no matter where one comes from - Europe, America, Mexico, Central America, South America, Israel, The Middle East, Africa, India ,South East Asia, China, Australia, New Zealand, Japan or Korea we can all agree on one major topic - The set lists need more variety on this tour - lol Talk about one world thinking !!!

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:27

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> T&A Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just supposin' that American was "W" - still
> no
> > disrespect?
>
>
> You mean G.W.B?
> Well, I wouldn't let him borrow my shotgun, but
> I'd leave him in peace I suppose.

As long as you've got the shotgun, why not just let him "rest in peace?"

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: CindyC ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:32

MicksBrain Wrote:
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That's what's great about IORR, it brings people from all over the world together. And no matter where one comes from - Europe, America, Mexico, Central America, South America, Israel, The Middle East, Africa, India ,South East Asia, China, Australia, New Zealand, Japan or Korea we can all agree on one major topic


It's true, being on here has definitely broadened my horizons.
My son likes to look at maps, and we have a puzzle book of all the continents. Now when we do that book I see the countries and think of all the people on here who come from those places, where before they were just places that I had no connection with.

YEAH IORR!!!!



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Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:35

BTW, just wondering to the Europeans on IORR - who was your favorite American President? I would assume it was Kennedy if you're old enough. How was Clinton? He seemed to be well liked in Europe...

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:36

MicksBrain Wrote:
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> BTW, just wondering to the Europeans on IORR - who
> was your favorite American President?

I think it's Nixon.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: CindyC ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:36

MB - if they answer, are you going to attack? hehe

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: mickijaggeroo ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:37

By using the term european, one suggests that we are all alike, like being from one country. I prefer being called swedish first, scandinavian secondly, and european thirdly if one needs to put a label on me. The difference between many countrys in Europe is like night and day, so to use the term european in a way to suggest we´re all alike, is a bit narrowminded. Just my 2 eurocents.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:39

Micksbrain, not Nixon of course, it must be Kennedy.
And Clinton was allright, I suppose. At least he knew how to treat a woman.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: CindyC ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:39

mickijaggeroo Wrote:
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By using the term european, one suggests that we are all alike, like being from one country. I prefer being called swedish first, scandinavian secondly, and european thirdly if one needs to put a label on me.


I like to be called "stupid bitch" first, "scanky whore" second, and "tuna queen" thirdly.

Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: mickijaggeroo ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:41

Wow, Cindy, what did you have for breakfeast today? Barbwire? smiling smiley

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:41

I agree Cindy, anything that brings the world together is a good thing.

EDITED BY MICKsBRAIN CLEAN UP CREW - NOW 100% POLITICAL FREE.



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Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: Lorenz ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:42

There is a big difference between countries in Europe, guess that's hard to understand for Americans as whole Europe is rather small compared to the US.
But basically, we are no aliens or what - act like a normal person and you'll have no problems...It's definitely good to speak a few words in another language, but I guess you can make your way with English without bigger problems.


Belgrade-Bucharest-Budapest-Brno

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: mickijaggeroo ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:44

Well, the Stones have brought us together, so that´s a good thing. And just maybe we learned to be a bit more understanding of eachother.

Vilhelm
Nordic Stones Vikings

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: CindyC ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:46

mickijaggeroo Wrote:
And just maybe we learned to be a bit more understanding of eachother.


I still don't understand some of Roosters postings. LOL

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: mickijaggeroo ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:48

CindyC Wrote:
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> mickijaggeroo Wrote:
> And just maybe we learned to be a bit more
> understanding of eachother.
>
>
> I still don't understand some of Roosters
> postings. LOL



I agree, but thought it best to leave that fact out...smiling smiley

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Date: June 6, 2006 18:49

MicksBrain Wrote:
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> BTW, just wondering to the Europeans on IORR - who
> was your favorite American President? I would
> assume it was Kennedy if you're old enough. How
> was Clinton? He seemed to be well liked in
> Europe...

Kennedy is a myth. Clinton is becoming one. Almost rock-star status in Denmark. Never really understood why politicians can be so popular, but perhaps there are other reason in Clinton's case : )

And to mickijaggeroo :
And the Nordic Stones Vikings are bringing Scandinavians back together : ) Even we in Scandinavia know too little about each other.....

Still along way to go, but this forum is almost like the UN :
There's really no better alternative !!!

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: bruno ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:51

I don't see how is so hard to understand for americans that europeans are so different from one country to another: aren't there many differences between a guy from Oregon and a guy from Florida, or between Idaho and New Jersey? I bet just as many as between a guy from Sweden and a guy from Spain...

[There'll be no wedding today...]

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:55

mickijaggeroo Wrote:
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> By using the term european, one suggests that we
> are all alike, like being from one country. I
> prefer being called swedish first, scandinavian
> secondly, and european thirdly if one needs to put
> a label on me. The difference between many
> countrys in Europe is like night and day, so to
> use the term european in a way to suggest we´re
> all alike, is a bit narrowminded. Just my 2
> eurocents.
>
> Vilhelm

>No, of course you're correct. Look at the difference btwn any 2 European countries. You go from France to Germany and its a giant change. And then Germany to Italy to Greece to Sweden to UK and it's all so different and opposite. I'm personally just using it for convinience since it's considered one continent. But I also think there's a few similarities like Government and religion not mixing (except maybe slightly in Italy, Poland, and Ireland) but I don't think Religion and politics is mixed and used for political gain ANYWHERE in Europe like it is in the USA - a very bad idea that's becoming very big in America

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: LA FORUM ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:56

bla bla bla bla



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Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: CindyC ()
Date: June 6, 2006 18:57

bruno Wrote:
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> I don't see how is so hard to understand for americans that europeans are so different from one country to another: aren't there many differences between a guy from Oregon and a guy from Florida, or between Idaho and New Jersey? I bet just as many as between a guy from Sweden and a guy from Spain...


bruno - that's crazy. Of course we know there are huge differences, it's just easier to type Europeans rather than to list out all the countries. You just wrote "so hard for americans...." I didn't see you write out all the State names, it's just easier to type that.

Wasn't looking too good, but I was feeling real well.

Re: Feeling A Little Uncomfortable
Posted by: LA FORUM ()
Date: June 6, 2006 19:02

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