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Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: June 8, 2006 12:12

absolutely correct. People often overlook the fact that we often only base our assumptions on whats in the vaults on what IS available to collectors, which is of course only a tip of the iceberg

Of course, its quite possible that there are plenty of completed masters of unreleased songs in the vaults that would be of interest plus of course several alternate and completed versions of songs that WERE released - whether it would be of sufficient quality to justify 3 or 4 cds worth of material though is another matter

Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: June 8, 2006 13:16

Gazza wrote>>>>>
Of course, its quite possible that there are plenty of completed masters of unreleased songs in the vaults

Awwww!!! dont the thought just make ya shake like a rattle-snake....



ROCKMAN

Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: June 8, 2006 14:26

Gazza Wrote:
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> Of course, its quite possible that there are
> plenty of completed masters of unreleased songs in
> the vaults that would be of interest

I don't want to spoil the party, but although it's possible that the material we know is just the tip of the iceberg, I have my doubts. Again, even with Tattoo You it was not like "let's grab some outtakes and we have an album" in a sense that the stuff was more or less finished - it took some hard work to get the final product...overdubbing, editing, writing lyrics, recording vocals and so on. There's quite some finished tracks from the 60's, like the IBC demos, Chess outtakes and so on which did not find their way onto Metamorphis, but it's ABKCO-controlled. Concerning the years from 1970 onwards, I have my doubts but would love to get surprised.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-06-08 14:27 by retired_dog.

Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: June 8, 2006 14:32

retired_dog Wrote:

> I don't want to spoil the party, but although it's
> possible that the material we know is just the tip
> of the iceberg, I have my doubts. Again, even with
> Tattoo You it was not like "let's grab some
> outtakes and we have an album" in a sense that the
> stuff was more or less finished - it took some
> hard work to get the final product...overdubbing,
> editing, writing lyrics, recording vocals and so
> on.

thats quite correct. Its a tribute to the cosmetic job they DID do with Tattoo You that it sounds like a musically cohesive album pulled from sessions done in a short time frame. Pretty clear also from the sheer amount of songs that were recorded between 1977 and 1979 that it may have been an intention for some time to put out a new album so soon after Emotional Rescue



There's quite some finished tracks from the
> 60's, like the IBC demos, Chess outtakes and so on
> which did not find their way onto Metamorphis, but
> it's ABKCO-controlled. Concerning the years from
> 1970 onwards, I have my doubts but would love to
> get surprised.
>
>
>
> Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/08/06 13:27 by
> retired_dog.

Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: Hurriganes ()
Date: June 8, 2006 15:08

> Of course, its quite possible that there are plenty of completed masters of unreleased songs in the vaults



I'm sure they have lots of aces in the sleeves and it's good to have some in any game and this is surely a game they want to play as long as possible. Even after finishing touring or recording and after that maybe someone'll get the rights... That's a delicious idea indeed.

Just reminded me of a saying lately: "everything comes to him who waits"... winking smiley

Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: June 8, 2006 17:30

retired_dog Wrote:
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> The major problem connected with a Stones
> A fan
> favourite like Fiji Jim is obviously not finished,
> most notably the vocals reveal that they're only
> guide vocals. That's the reason why So Young
> sounded so different from the 70's outtake when it
> was released in 1994 - they re-recorded the song.
>

Not to my ears they didn't. So Young's instrumental backing tracks are the same as the original 70's recording....

Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: June 8, 2006 19:02

T&A Wrote:
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> Not to my ears they didn't. So Young's
> instrumental backing tracks are the same as the
> original 70's recording....

Uuuuuh, have to check it...maybe the different sound qualities tricked my ears, but at least the lead vocals are redone!

Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: June 8, 2006 19:10

definitely the lead vocals - I think Mick likely rerecorded several vocals on songs from this era, including Fiji Jim....

Re: Voodoo/Bridges Leftovers album prepared in 1999
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: June 8, 2006 20:40

T&A Wrote:
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> definitely the lead vocals - I think Mick likely
> rerecorded several vocals on songs from this era,
> including Fiji Jim....

Yeah, I remember an interview with Chris Kimsey (?) in a Recording Studio magazine...he stated that he culled out a couple of old tracks from the vaults "for possible inclusion on B-sides" around the time of the release of Voodoo Lounge...Fiji Jim was amongst those tracks, So Young also, but also Shame Shame Shame, We Had It All (Keith) and some others from the era. As far as I remember the interview, Kimsey was instructed by Jagger to choose only tracks with finished lyrics as Jagger was obviously not too keen to write proper lyrics for archive stuff... He agreed to redo his vocals, though. Which obviously means that if an outtake had finished lyrics, Jagger agreed to work on it by recording new vocals. If not, Jagger could not be bothered to write proper lyrics for an unfinished song...

Unfortunately, only So Young appeared so far...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2006-06-08 20:44 by retired_dog.

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