OK, MicksBrain has been cruising around the net trying to get info on the tour and this is the best I could find. This guy KENO (I'm sure most of you know who he is - hope he's cool with IORR) Says he talked to an insider and THE PROBLEM is no one knows when Keith's gonna be up to being ready to start performing again (sounds like it's more Keith not giving an answer then his Doctors or family). So this KENO guy says his inside source thinks most of the June shows could be dropped because of this (some rescheduled, some canceled and gone for good). I guess everyone is waiting for Keith to make a move. And if he's not feeling that well and the other Stones aren't around him to get a definitive answer, this is what happens - no news, no decisions, no movement. I checked RS.Com and the latest news they have is dated May 12th - come on, that's no way to keep the fans up to date. So who knows if Keith is having minor problems, if he did quit drinking that's a very big deal to a guy that's been drunk for 30 years straight. Since there's no official news this made the most sense to me...feel free to add anymore info you may have.... (sorry, best I can do)......

PS. Let me just add that Keith is most likely on numerous Meds (Strong Pain Pills, Blood Thinner, Antibiotic, Sedative, and maybe anti Seizure) so all of that can cause a depressive state or lethargy where, being in an altered state he's not used to, he may not at this point care about the tour like he normally would if his mind was 100% clear. Kahoosier and Triplelicks can help me out on the Meds thing since they know much more about exactly what he would be taking then I do, you guys around?



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And since Charlie quits in December it is most likely that A LOT of us will NEVER se them again.....I'm actually crying now...

this is what Keno's may 17th post actually says, sans mb's extrapolations, conjectures, etc:

>> I have heard - but not from the person who broke the news to me about Keith's surgery before anybody knew, but from a person in one of the Stones office’s - yet another person I don’t know that well, that the reason things are taking so long to come about is the Stones at this point just don’t have a clear clue when Keith will feel up to par to play. This person told me - 100% off the books, that it appears most of June’s shows could be lost because of this problem, and rescheduling the shows is going slow at this point too – in fact not possible for some of the shows – which will be lost, and that is the main hold up at this time.
Again, I don't know how much of this is true, but it is good to report it if only for the reason that it puts pressure on the main office to say something about it that does have fact to it. <<

Keith, be well - all the way, baby, all the way



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-05-18 20:38 by with sssoul.

Thanks with sssoul, I don't know how to do that transfer thing- cut and paste is it? Yeah, I tried to stck pretty close to what this Keno guy said....It's just F*cking IMPOSSIBLE to find out anything, I did a giant search....

One may say whatever one wants about MicksB;
but here he nails something... I immediately associate this
to Kahoosier's instructive postings about surgery,
blood clots etc. Not even a rock'n'roll pirate such as Keef
may want to perform some two-three weeks after those brain pain.
We all can see for ourselves at the pictures he
has not been in top shape lately.

I'm also afraid doctor's prohibited him to drink,
which may be fatal for him.

>> I don't know how to do that transfer thing- cut and paste is it? <<

copy and paste, more like. here are the instructions again.
1) place your cursor at the start of what you want to copy.
2) hold down the left mouse button as you drag the cursor to the end of what you want to copy. this is called marking the text.
3) once you've marked it, hold down the ctrl key on your keyboard and hit the C key. this is known as copying.
4) go to wherever it is you want the text to be reproduced - for example a new message window here on iorr.
5) place your cursor where you want the text to appear; hold down the ctrl key and hit V. this is known as pasting.

i don't see much "news" in Keno's post, honestly. yes it takes time before anyone (including Keith)
knows how soon Keith will be ready to rock, and yes rescheduling shows isn't simple - that's pretty obvious, isn't it?
sorry if i'm missing some Big Point here ...

Keith, be well - all the way, baby, all the way



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by the way, here's the link to Keno's post: [www.keno.org]

Keith, be well - all the way, baby, all the way

Must confess this has been my feeling all along - i.e., that they're not going to resume in any hurry unless it is 150% sure that our man is back to "normal". It's not in anyone's interest - theirs or ours - to do otherwise. Even so, they can't hold off making some kind of announcement much longer, given the tour was supposed to start next week. Some of us are hanging on to see if we can change flights to fit with rescheduled dates - but if they don't announce anything a few days before the original start date, we can't even do that and so even more plane tickets will be going down the tube...

Thanks with sssoul, that's how i learned to use the computer way back, info here and there, not the smartest way but did slowly pick up things...

BTW, how do people feel about KENO around here? I never heard about him on IORR....

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> One may say whatever one wants about MicksB;
> but here he nails something...>

ANd what does he nail exactly???? That everything depends on Keith's condition and it's hard to predict when he's gonna be better??
Well, no need to spend his life on the net investigating what everyone and their dog think about it to find this out, common sense would do just as well. If he's got any that is...



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I think MicksBrain says something we (or at least me) seem to forget.
It's not like that Keith have to be able to stand, play guitar, and not having a headache.
He also has to be mentally prepared and keen on doing a rock'n roll show. Medications, and big changes (either way) in alcohol, has a big impact of everybody's way of thinking, and can give....even depressions and lifelessness...at least for some time.

I sometimes have a bad feeling things are worst than I think. Look at the pictures of Keith leaving the hospital.
Hope I'm very wrong!!!

Harm Wrote:
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> I sometimes have a bad feeling things are worst
> than I think. Look at the pictures of Keith
> leaving the hospital.
> Hope I'm very wrong!!!

I have a tendency to think the worst, but hope for the best.

Keith doesn't look very good on the pictures posted, but keep in mind that they are shot just when he left the hospital, and he was probably a bit shaken, drugged and nervous about how things would turn out. It would be good though, to see some more recent pictures of him, now that he's been out of the hospital for some time...

Still hoping for those Scandinavian shows, and still thinking that there's a slight chance that they MIGHT happen...

- mjOL

To me, this seems really like no news at all. I never bought the argument that the "evil" Stones camp likes to keep us in the dark and has some ulterior motive for delaying the announcement of new tour dates as much as possible. I have always suspected that we don't know because they don't know. If anything, it's in their interest to get this over with, schedule new dates, and announce them. But obviously this can't happen if they don't know themselves when Keith is going to be able to perform. I don't think they would want to go out on a limb and reschedule a whole new set of dates they are not sure Keith will be able to keep. Of course, the more time goes by, the greater the uncertainty about Keith's condition. But seriously, if you had a hole drilled in your skull today, do you think you would be able to make a definitive commitment about a summer tour in a week? Didn't think so.

Some folks seem to be almost assuming that the tour is not going to be disrupted to any large degree and are hoping for only the first week or so to be affected .
It would be nice if this were the case..but it's not very realistic.

To be fair to RS.Com ....they can only tell folks what they actually know.
Anything else would be speculatory...and we know all about speculation !
Whether we like it or not...we just have to wait.

On a more optimistic note, the fact that they haven't yet officially cancelled or postponed more shows could maybe indicate that a start before the back end of june is still feasible.

i agree with mjol, raoul and spud.

sometimes, just the simplicity of common sense, kindly spoken, can be so comforting.

Every cancelled/postponed show encrease the problems for the whole tour. So of course they will postpone a minimum of shows. But when they make a statement everything must be 100% right and clear. As far as possible.
They can’t today inform that the European tour starts for instance in Bergen June 6th if they’re not absolutely sure about that. You can’t inform in a week that “well, we were a little bit too optimistic, we have to wait to Gothenburg 10th. Or Vienna 20th.
That’s probably why we haven’t heard anything so far.

What's the big deal about a hole being drilled in a skull? I do it to myself all the time to relieve pressure, often times before I go to work in the morning. My skull resembles a peg board, I've done it so many times. It's no big deal.

Raul, I definitely don't think they would "want to go out on a limb" after what happened!

Send It To me Wrote:
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> Raul, I definitely don't think they would "want to
> go out on a limb" after what happened!

No pun was, indeed, intended at the time. I can see that this would apply both literally and figuratively.

I agree with raoul duke.

Lukester,
Make sure you don't join the holes...the whole thing will fall off ;^)

Imagine you have had serious head trauma and you suffer some headaches as a result. The last thing you may want to hear/feel for awile is assault of loud music.

It isn't just the volume, it's the vibrations as well.

Nobody wants to be playing and on the road more than Keith. I'm sure this is driving him crazy, and that as soon as he's sure he can do it, he'll be back.

We just have to hope Keef is supplied with CrashBox Lust
and similar smooth & tender backbeat tracks and discs,
so that he can return to rock'n'roll step by step.

MicksBrain Wrote:
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> BTW, how do people feel about KENO around here? I
> never heard about him on IORR....


Keno has burned more bridges with former posters on his site than anyone can even count anymore. I'll leave it at that....

>>>>>MicksBrain wrote:
"PS. Let me just add that Keith is most likely on numerous Meds (Strong Pain Pills, Blood Thinner, Antibiotic, Sedative, and maybe anti Seizure) so all of that can cause a depressive state or lethargy where, being in an altered state he's not used to, he may not at this point care about the tour like he normally would if his mind was 100% clear. Kahoosier and Triplelicks can help me out on the Meds thing since they know much more about exactly what he would be taking then I do, you guys around?"<<<<<

Yes, Keith could be taking any combination of those meds or all of them. And yes, he's probably sleeping more than usual because of meds and all that his body is going thru. He also could be spending time doing therapies and having periodic evaluations. He also should be dealing with life without alcohol or other chemicals. His physicians are certainly informing him of many, many, many reasons why he must abstain from further chemical use, especially during this period of rehab/healing.

So yes, I agree it's possible that he and his medical providers may not be concentrating on the Stones tour as much as we are at this time. And I have no idea how they could give a definitve answer regarding the exact date of Keith's well-being with this kind of injury. It's not like he got an infection, or broke a bone, or had a routine surgery.

I may be reading too much into it, but I sense a bit of pessimism in BV's posts when he hints that Keith "is not well," especailly since his posts before have been re-assuring. Keith may well be on siezure meds...as much for what could happen if he is not drinking after 40 years as for his head injury. While a clot formed, it was because of a bleed, so blood thinners make no sense.With Keith's past medical history of substance abuse, I am sure the doctors are walking a tight rope; no one wants to be the man who put the monkey on Keith's back again.

I said it somewhere else on the board, there is a subtle diagnosis called Post Traumatic Headache which can be fairly debillitating. All the scans in the world cannot find the root, but some people just end up with head aches of varying intensity after a head injury. Keith may be experiencing this. None of us really know for sure, and BV probably knows more than most of us. I got excited when I read Keith was flying, and now that I know that he is not, pessismism for this tour is starting to creep into my thoughts. I have never feared from what I read for Keith's life, or that he was crippled, or anything like that. The problem is with post traumatic head ache, post traumatic seizures, and a host of other problems that cannot be nailed down to a specific ANATOMIC detail, they tend to be without cure; how can you fix something whne you cannot find the cause? I am feel fairly convinced nothing is going down before June 15, and fear it may be longer. I have no facts, just a combination of some medical knowledge and a weird feeling I get from the (perceived on my part) change in the tone of BV's posts.

SympathyForTheDevils, the french fan club, mentions that Keith is home and an annoucement regarding the European Tour will be made next week.

[www.sympathyforthedevils.com]

He is still on New Zealand. THats what the sources are telling us.