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Wow, this is horrible. I had a feeling they'd fly in a top Doc if it was really serious and giving his name and all means this stuff isn't being made up...This is looking really bad, I'm getting depressed....Forget the tour, there may be no more Stones....

Anita is there too?
Oh my...

georgelicks Wrote:
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> Anita is there too?
> Oh my...


It didn't say that Anita was there, it said his two children with Anita Pallenberg were there.

The Sun is about as reputable as the National Inquirer in the US. My rule of thumb with these outlets: it's bullshit until proven otherwise.

MicksBrain Wrote:
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> Wow, this is horrible. I had a feeling they'd fly
> in a top Doc if it was really serious and giving
> his name and all means this stuff isn't being made
> up...This is looking really bad, I'm getting
> depressed....Forget the tour, there may be no more
> Stones....

Please cheer up. Making things up is what they do for a living. If you read properly, there's all the words and tragic phrasing to make people worry, but not one single official source. "Docs" and "medics" could be any docs in the world, it nowhere says they are those who are treating Keith. Trust the hospital to respect Keith's right to privacy. And finding out a neuro-surgeon name is something anyone could do, it's no proof of anything. This is the Sun, sensational enough to sell copies, but just falling short of being sued.

oh goodness; is this credible?
the sun's been kinda accurate with this, no?

i am sick to hear this; and read it...just sick...
a second procedure...complications...etc...as written...

wow; i feel sick...literally.

signing off for the night...
ohmygoodness...i'm not an alarmist...not.
and i'm just a fan, not family or anything...
but this is making me ill all of a sudden, honestly...
...this thing keeps getting worse...

And I've got the blues for you
And I've got the blues for you
And I've got burned up for you
And I'll tear my hair out
I'm gonna tear my hair out just for you
If you don't believe what I'm saying
At three o'clock in the morning, babe, well,
I'm singing my song for you

Raoul Duke Wrote:
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> The Sun is about as reputable as the National
> Inquirer in the US. My rule of thumb with these
> outlets: it's bullshit until proven otherwise.


Well so far, in this case, they have been more reliable than the RS press people. Besides, what they are writing is reaffirming my feelings this morning when I found out Marlon and Angela flew halfway around the world to be with him. Marlon has a family. If things weren't serious, I imagine that Patti would have told him to stay home as everything is fine.

Gotta agree with CindyC, they may be a tabloid but have been more accurate then the Stones camp. Also, they're the ones that had the 2 After Accident shots of Keith right? I just have a bad feeling about all this.... When the older kids fly in that is not a good sign, when they name a specialist that they had flown in, THAT is not a good sign, I'm gonna goggle this Doc's name......

....You are falling victim to the Sun deceitful tricks....

LolA Wrote:
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> ....You are falling victim to the Sun deceitful
> tricks....


i dunno 'bout that; maybe you're right...
here in the u.s. it's as cindyC reported...
the Enquirer, the big tabloid of tabloids...
has been breaking stuff accurately for over a decade...
that the mainstream american press has to embarassedly catch up with...
on crime stories, celebrity stories, political stories and others...

they are dogged and more intense and less editorially restricted and controlled...
so...maybe you are correct... but i think the Sun has scooped the rest of the world with this so far...not that it's anybody's personal business yadda yadda...
but i want to know...i care...as we all do...and i'm not writing off the Sun with any of this...

Information about Dr. Mee , he seems legit


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Yes Micksbrain, it is horrible. We just hope he can make it out of the hospital. Hard to come to terms with the reality: there may be no more Stones, as you say.

The Sun claimed that Keith got surgery last Wednesday, whic obviuosly isn't true. Is is not enough for you to see it was all speculative bullshit? They didn't break any scoop at all.

(Not having a go at anyone here, but it sickens me to see people worry over the Sun bullshit)

lola we don't know what's true and what isn't on any particular day of any of this...not from fran curtis, not from ny, not from the stones camp...
what little gleaned and announced has hit the tabloids first...
i'm not having a go at you either...
but you are very black and white about "speculative b.s."
the pictures were a scoop...the news of the first operation, whenever it took place...was first reported in the tabloids...
it's ALL speculation, including what may or may not be true in the offical camp releases, for whatever personal or professional or medical reasons...

the whole tree story could be b.s. too for all we know...
but i shall not speculate...

they could have got the specialist's name from the hospital staff...true..
but They GOT it... not the london or ny times... or rolling stone mag...or the truly great UK Guardian...or anywhere else...
and now you know it...

i ain't sayin' i know the big picture here... i Am sayin' you don't know either...
we are both concerned, is that fair enough?


MR EDWARD MEE
Consultant Neurosurgeon
Auckland City Hospital
Auckland Brain & Spine, Ascot Hospital.

Graduated from Otago Medical School in 1976 and trained in Neurosurgery in London at the London Hospital, South East Thames Neurosurgery Unit, and St Bartholomew’s Hospital. Appointed to the Auckland Hospital in 1987 and currently Clinical Director of Neurosurgery at Auckland City Hospital and in private practice at The Ascot Hospital.
Research interests include subarachnoid haemorrhage and its neurological and psychological outcome; epilepsy surgery and the neurotransmitter changes in epilepsy.
Subspecialty interests in vascular surgery, epilepsy surgery, cervical spine disease and trigeminal neuralgia.
President of the Auckland Medical History Society.


Head, Neck & Arm Pain: A Neurosurgeon's Perspective
Friday, 17 June 2005 Start 8:30am Karapiti Room Duration: 30mins

The presentation and symptoms of patients with head, and neck pain will be discussed. The head and neck pain associated with cervical nerve root entrapment will be reviewed and the common patterns of radiation described. The conditions that may mimic nerve root compression will be listed and the relevant investigations discussed. The role of surgery and the procedures available will be described.

Management of Intracranial Bleeding
Friday, 17 June 2005 Start 2:50pm Karapiti Room Duration: 25mins

The common causes of intracranial bleeding will be outlined and their presentations discussed. The traumatic causes of extradural and subdural clots will be considered from the viewpoint of presenting symptoms in the general practice environment. Intracerebral bleeding will be described from aneurysmal and arteriovenous malformations and the less common hypertensive basal ganglion bleeds. The emphasis will be on making the diagnosis and an update on neurosurgical procedures for acute intracranial bleeds.

LolA Wrote:
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> ....You are falling victim to the Sun deceitful
> tricks....

I'm not trying to argue but let me just point out some basic journalism facts. This involves ANY story. If no one in the official camp will talk (in this case Fran Curtis, Hospital staff, any one involved with the Stones and this tour, etc) The ONLY other way to get the Story is an informant. Usually that means paying someone. Most legit papers, media will not pay - in this situation I suspect they have found someone most likely in the Hospital and are paying them a boat load of money for this info. THERE is a leak and it's probably only one person and they are NOT in the Stones camp. If a person works in the hospital and is offered say, $100,000.00 for info I would say a lot of people could use the extra cash and loyalty to the Stones wouldn't be an issue. Let's remember the most famous recent case in US history. WATERGATE, without informant "Deep Throat" that story would have never come out. Deep Throat was an informant not for money but for revenge (he was passed over for a position he thought he deserved). I studied Journalism for years and years in school. This much I picked up. This is how the system works. You would not believe how many stories never see the light of day cause no one will talk. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying to or not to believe the SUN. All I know is the Stones have been invisible which is interesting. I would suspect they are beyond massive worry, these are life long friendships, they've been through EVERYTHING together.......

Sure they got the surgeon name . Anyone can find out the name of Ascot's hospital neuro-surgeon. And then what?
And with regards to the pictures, any paparazzi who knows that Keith is in Auckland can get them. I don't see where the scoop is.

Any way, if you can't see through the gross Sun's bullshit, then it's your problem after all.

You all have a nice day.

LolA , I CERTAINLY HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT .WITHOUT KEEF THERE IS NO STONES

To MicksBrain:

- The Sun isn't into journalism, maybe that's the point you missed.
- Comparing Keith's surgery to the WATERGATE scandal.....well...that might be taking it a bit too far, no? Good joke anyway

Who has given us the most accurate info so far? Outside media (Sun, Rueters, etc) or Stones camp? The silence out of the Stones camp is deafening.....

Lola, I am just talking about how journalism, or information gathering, works. Doesn't matter if it's WATERGATE or THE ROLLING STONES - secrets are secrets and damaging information is damaging information, whatever the topic/story is..



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-05-10 07:59 by MicksBrain.

Look, I don't want to argue. All I wanted to say to worried people is not to beleive the Sun.

What can the Stones camp possibly say? I guess (just my opinion here) everyone's waitin to see how Keith's recovery is going, and that is not something you can accurately predict. You just have to wait and see.

Agree, in time we will know....

i'm far from a religious man, but now seems the time for prayer . . .

Nikkibong, it IS not looking good....

LolA Wrote:
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> Sure they got the surgeon name . Anyone can find
> out the name of Ascot's hospital neuro-surgeon.
> And then what?
> And with regards to the pictures, any paparazzi
> who knows that Keith is in Auckland can get them.
> I don't see where the scoop is.
>
> Any way, if you can't see through the gross Sun's
> bullshit, then it's your problem after all.
>
> You all have a nice day.


yeah it's my problem after all...we all can't have your omniscient sense
of fine tuned b.s. detectors...i'm not having a nice day...but 'you all' have one....stay away from those newspapers with the boobies now...
actually, the most appropriate news vehicle to handle anything stones related would have some boobage...or tonguage... ooooh, gross...

the new zealand herald is also reporting the same story...
they are not tabloid are they? i don't know them...but will take a gander...
Reuters is quoting them as a legit source...for whatever that may or may not be worth...directly contradicting ny's press office staff for the band.

so now it's sun, the new zealand herald and reuters...
maybe just 'telephone' game baloney and hooey...may be...admittedly...

but not just sniff sniff turn up yer nosie at the Sun at this point...
isn't this fair?

i have no desire to hurt your feelings or "make you wrong" here...
quite honestly; we've never even talked or chatted or interacted here before...

i assume what we have in common is great love and respect for the band and their families and hopes for good health...

in fact, i really hope that these reports are all totally wrong...except for fran's stuff...but her job isn't to inform, it's to protect the band's interests, personally and professionally...and spin...
this is the job. that is what pr is. i don't blame them...
but i'm not looking at Fran as THE major news source on any of this...
but a source of sorts...

i just want the guy well...and at this point...i want, for my own reasons, whatever info i can glean as we go along...
i always have been interested in any and everything keith is up to...
that's not gonna change now...quite the opposite.

i mean it's obvious and easy to see their (the sun) sensationalist stylings, typically tabloid...and all of that b.s...very lowest common denominator knuckledrag stuff...
it's also easy to see how the nyHOtimes, paper of the ruling class, is equally as ridiculous and more ahem, acceptably pornographic...stylistically and othewise...with all kinds of slanted and plain out dead wrong reportage...
(they apologize for it years later buried in a middle pages...)
after the damage is done....and tens of thousands are vaporized...
"ooops, we're sorry for that pro-war reportage citing wholesale false facts day after day week after week...those ten thousand vaporized kids...well, we did say we were sorry...now here's the sale at bloomingdales...

guess we had the facts wrong...sorry...you all have a nice day..."
and that's "the paper of record"

tell u one thing 4 sure lola...i surely hope very hard, that you are dead right and they are dead wrong about:

"Docs then discovered he had a “complete mid-line shift”, where one hemisphere of the brain collapses on to another."

maybe that is common after a brain procedure; i'm not a doc...
my lay research says it's treatable...so mebbe no big deal in the grand scheme of things...i dunno...not saying i do...

but it is info...and if it's correct...info we did not have a mention of previously up to now...
and also, if its' correct, i won't throw it back atcha...

some further quick research on the web revealed the following...
take it with a grain of salt, or a box of salt...or don't take it at all...

"Can brain injury effect a person's balance??

Balance or equilibrium difficulties commonly result from brain injury. They are associated with vision and hearing (the oculovestibulo mechanism). Post-trauma vision syndrome frequently includes a condition called midline shift syndrome. The midline shift syndrome results in a patient experiencing a constant sense of disequilibrium, difficulty with maintenance of balance, an inappropriate posture and weight distribution on the balls of the feet, and inappropriate gait, combined with a directional drift. Such patients also often express that they perceive their world in a strange way, in that the horizon may be tilted, walls may be tilted or compressing in upon them.

These symptoms of midline shift syndrome are effectively addressed in most cases with a concept referred to as yoked prism reorientation. It must not be concluded that this is a cure for this problem. It is an immediate amelioration of the symptoms in most cases that are correctly diagnosed as midline shift damage. This requires a differential diagnosis eliminating damage to the vestibular mechanism. The most common imbalance experience following head injury is oculo motor decompensation and binocular visual-motor-perceptual imbalance decompensation resulting in midline shift syndrome. This case is symptomatically treated with yoked prism reorientation therapy."

micksBrain and pinky; appreciate your post and the perspective on the 'news' game...

Look, I dont know what the truth is. I was just speaking about the Sun in particular, cos I know them and their methods very well, and I know not to beleive them. That's all. I just wanted to tell peolple not to go mad with worry about a report in the Sun. I guess next time, i'll refrain.

Doesn't look very good..... and until now Sun has been the one closes to the truth....

As mentioned before a brain surgery is not the best thing to recover from and it takes quite much time - it is not just like a broken arm.....



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LolA Wrote:
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> To MicksBrain:
>
> - The Sun isn't into journalism, maybe that's the
> point you missed.
> - Comparing Keith's surgery to the WATERGATE
> scandal.....well...that might be taking it a bit
> too far, no? Good joke anyway


no Brain was right on it...
great analogy...it's how these things work and see print...and are controlled...
i could tell u stuff from inside that world...but the brain has covered it graciously and articulately....

tho subjected, as i was, to your effete ridicule...

you may find it personally offensive to hear it; but that's not the criterion for truthiness l o l a ... la la la la lola...

the washington post and the new york times aren't "into journalism" either...
ever hear of judy miller...or their apology for years of directly misleading, fabricating of facts during the lead up to the war...and afterwards...on orders from white house talking points and their mega-monied corporate advertisers interests...
free press...right.

you should check out youtube.com steven colbert's report at the national press association dinner and you'll see the prestigious press core revealed for the quivering lying elitist syncophants they are...
i'd sooner trust a hungry indie reporter jobbing out on a mission...
boyboyboy...what's journalism to you...
i mean we could check with Gore Vidal...maybe a couple of others that can still get some blogosphere or major media coverage here and there...

are hair-sprayed pancaked monitor readers journalists...???
Vanity Fair? where's tucker carlson when you need him...
he's a journaron... an nbc moron masauerading as a journalist...
seven hours on some congress man's fender bender...
and the rest anna nicole smith...during wartime...
now that's american 'journalism...'
but tucker serves a purpose...when you see him, you know it's time to swith to the comedy channel for jon stewart, so carlson does serve a purpose...

fran's doing a fine job...but her job is to protect the band and the organization first and foremost...not to inform the proles...

msnbc or the sun....?
the latter...where reuters picks up their tips...
or maybe i'm as lost as u think i am...
hope so, all things considered with this horrible tumble into potentially exponetial difficulties for our main man over there...bless him.

don't fight with me no more. you just put micks analysis down without making a cogent argument or contention; that's grade school shtick...
there's an insect up somebody's posterior cavity methinks...
prior to the banning scare, i would have said bug up your uh, butt...
but i clearly cannot.

There are still many, "Could be's and maybe's' in this article.
But I must admit, so far the Suns reporting on this incident has been quite close to the mark - I wonder who the mystery surce 'close to the band' really is?