Sticky Fingers was Mick Taylor's first complete record with the band and he plays on all cuts except Sister Morphine.Ry Cooder does a great job on Sister Morphine why did they not use Taylor to play slide.

Was it because the song was recorded earlier and they owed RY something since he showed Keith all those open tuning chord patterns and where to find those small
chords and walkdowns etc.Taylor proved how great he was on slide with Mayall and
on LIV.

SM dates back from the BB sessions, so Taylor wasn't even in the picture then.

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"Shit!... No shit, awright!"

Thanks

Anyway,I'm glad Cooder played that slide,it couldn't be done better.

Never say Never, with that Vibrato out there. LOL

Mick Jagger - Ry Cooder Olympic Studios 1969...no credits listed



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"Sister Morphine comes from '68, although we cut it in early '69." - Keith, 1971

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"Music is the frozen tapioca in the ice chest of history."

"Shit!... No shit, awright!"

Now do we have a picture of Taylor and Jagger in the studio cutting SWAY.LOL

with all the due respect to mr taylor, to each his own, I think you can't get any better slide guitar player than Ry, exspecially back then

maumau Wrote:
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> with all the due respect to mr taylor, to each his
> own, I think you can't get any better slide guitar
> player than Ry, exspecially back then



I disagree. I think MT, Ry Cooder, and even Brian Jones were equally good back then. It is hard to judge such superb slide players and say one is better than the other, since they all had their unique styles. Ry was phenomemnal on Sister Morphine, as Brian was phenomenal on No Expectations, as MT was phenomenal on Sway . . .

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> I disagree. I think MT, Ry Cooder, and even Brian
> Jones were equally good back then. It is hard to
> judge such superb slide players and say one is
> better than the other, since they all had their
> unique styles. Ry was phenomemnal on Sister
> Morphine, as Brian was phenomenal on No
> Expectations, as MT was phenomenal on Sway . . .

Jones is a total diffrent player to Cooder and Taylor. Jones was a feel player, and absolutely not technical, while Taylor and especially Cooder are technically brilliant. Brian's slides have always been full chorded slides in open tunings, while Cooder and Taylor have the technical ability to play melodic lead slide. Don't get me wrong, Jones is a brilliant slide player, but not in the same league as Taylor and Cooder.

Mathijs

The what if scenario is interesting but Cooder's playing on SM would be hard to beat. As To Brian's slide playing, though it's good, it is nowhere near the calibre of monsieurs Cooder and Taylor.



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slide is a funny thing - I know good musicians who hate the whole idea of slide because it's "cheating." But, for me it's all about sound and I'll quote the late great Hound Dog Taylor here once again: "I can't play shite, but I can sure make it sound good." That's the "end game".....



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Taylor is briliant on slide because he never loses control and is very melodic and can play Slide in Standard Concert tuning which is more difficult.

watch GS and watch keith lay down on the floor when he listens to taylor's playback solo on Love in Vain.

So where does Ron Wood rank among slide guitarists?

OpenG Wrote:
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> Now do we have a picture of Taylor and Jagger in
> the studio cutting SWAY.LOL
>


If they did it wouldn't be in the studio it would be in Micks old house, "Star- Groves" thats where sway was recorded.



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> So where does Ron Wood rank among slide
> guitarists?


Bonnie Raitt was once quoted as saying Ronnie was the best (or favorite, don't remember)...but that was awhile ago.

Personally, I don't regard him as a great slide player, more a good "feel" type of player as Mathijs described with respect to Brian....

Agree- T & A

MLC

I don't think much of the playing or sound of the slide on SM.
Taylor could have done a better job imo.

The song is arkward and probably the weakest on the great Sticky Fingers - the slide playing doesn't really help it to become less so.

kyle m

Have you ever lent somebody $20 and never seen them again? It was probably worth it.

I've realized that Keith Richards looks really cool playing a Fender Telecaster and Jimmy Page looks awesome with a Gibson Les Pauls.

Pete Townshend is Mr Cool with his Gibson SG. Mick Jagger actually also looks really cool with a guitar.

Especially in 1978 when Jagger had a Fender Stratocaster he was kind of the man in my humble opinion.

Jagger looked so goddamned cool in 1975 and 1978 with his guitar, but he was basically posing with his axe during that time and if I'm correct he started playing for real as late as 1989.

OpenG Wrote:
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> watch GS and watch keith lay down on the floor
> when he listens to taylor's playback solo on Love
> in Vain.

I don't think so. That's just what the Maysles' brothers want you to think.
There's a lot of bull**** editing in GS just as there is in any documentary.
Trust me, I know. Unfortunatly, I went to film school and they teach you
all about manipulating the audience regarding stuff like this.
I can name a bunch of stuff in that film where stuff doesn't jive with
what's actually happening.
As far as slide players that have been mentioned, all are first rate.
Don't forget Allman, Elmore James, Tampa Red adn about 4 dozen others.
Actually Clapton said George Harrison was one of the best slide guitarists
he ever heard, and it's true. Check out the solo on The Lord Loves The One
(That Loves The Lord) from Living In The Material World for a great slide solo
(don't worry, you secular people can dig it, too).

(Not editing from above) And being a guitar player, I think the Harrison song mentioned above is one of the finest solos I've ever heard.





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When I die they'll say: "He couldn't play shit, but he sure made it sound good"

- Hound Dog Taylor

I ain't stupid, I'm just guitarded.

Well, it sure is a mean slide guitar on Sister Morphine. It would be interesting to hear Mick Taylor play the slide on that song now (or then). I'm sure he would have done a great job!

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The slide on SM is for me a very ambigous thing.
One hand it lifts the song to incredible heights.
On the other it somehow ruins it.
I think, as a Waterford crystal clear exception,
this song is better in later versions, for example
what I hear on No Security.

I just heard Black Box-version with Marianne for the very first time;
and that key board-based version is in many ways more
creepy and gettin in under yer skin.

To hear the slide in SM is like drinking Spitfire beer or too
spicy food - tasty;
but it fills the palate too much.. so than no other taste can be
perceived afterwards. It's sort of too much.

And the slider has to be one that can sink into the
content of the song; maybe Wood in late 90s or now is a better
slider than Taylor in 69 or 72 or Cooder in 68... ?

But the optimum here would be a real scarred, street smart key board player.
Second best maybe Chuckie.

I think Taylor had better control and technique when playing slide- his blistering slide on All down The Line and Shine a Light etc, he never loses control and that melodic vibrato.

Yet, G: If it was all about technique or control
we'd all listen to Yngwie Malmsteen or Toto;
which we, happily, dont.

OpenG Wrote:
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> Never say Never, with that Vibrato out there. LOL


LOL!!! I love your style, OpenG!

- Doxa

tomk,

keith has said in interviews that he loved taylor's playing on LIV live, sure
looks like to me ,he was stoned lying down grooving on some tune in GS.

A few of Ronnie Wood's zillion blistering solos/rhythm work would be....


**Blinded by rainbows

**The woodstock rehearsals - Beautiful delilah, Let's spend the night together, etc.

**Some Girls, Emotional Rescue, Tattoo You, Handsome Girls and Dirty Work

**Stay with me/Oh la la - Faces

**Always wanted more - Ronnie's solo stuff

...Please dont make this a Taylor-/Wood-thread ...