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Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:28

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Oh, what a sad picture of Dean Martin......
> What happened, which illness made him so weak?


he done and gone dipped into the devils punchbowl once too often

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:28

Right place right time for Dino & Frankie....but yeah rather go down with The Stoney Boys....Mr Johnson..Muddy...Wolf....Killer...Hank...Charlie Feathers.

Yeah Goodfellas wild stuff...Scarface blistering stuff great for a romantic evening!!! ...only kiddin'



ROCKMAN

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:34

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Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Beelyboy ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:34

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Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: rooster ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:36

Rock you posted a pic a while ago from85...man thats the Stones in tears!!!Its the gang!sadly stu was gone(god bless).Wonderfull photo''Rockman''!!!

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:38

eeeeeeeerrrr shot from 85...eeerrr which one ya mean rooster?



ROCKMAN

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:43





ROCKMAN

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:44

StonesTod Wrote:
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> ryanpow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think there are a lot of comparrisons you
> can
> > draw on the surface, but what the stones do
> is
> > COMPLETLEY different. At the heart of the
> matter,
> > they have NOTHING in common with Sinatra.
> period.
> >
> >
>
> Que? At the heart of the matter they have
> EVERYTHING in common with Sinatra. They were both
> ICONS for young generations of music fans, who
> grew old with them. Period
Yeah, all this Icon, generation and money crap has nothing to do with MUSIC.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Beelyboy ()
Date: March 14, 2006 23:45

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Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: rooster ()
Date: March 15, 2006 00:02

The one from the burrial..with the hats(I love Ian Stewart!!!!)Imisss Stuw!!You know '''Rock'' If I look at this topic..my thoughts go out to M...Ali..the last hooray(81 )Against L Holmes 80....against Spinks 78(New Orleans Superdome now gone!)All those bouts after the sting bee!!!Frank was always on Fraziers side(remember ''the thrilla ofManilla'')YGMR I was a boxer!!yu know or Hurricane B dylan...Elvis gav his...what I want to say is M Ali always was a blast to see wether you liked boxing or not!!He was going down and still did steal the show!dramatic I was Shocked!!Well its not boxing ..its music..the Stones..well its still the best..cant find no link with maffia Frank...one thing there is more energy..and more pffff let it be

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 15, 2006 00:23

T&A Wrote:
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> I'll never forget the look on Frank's face when
> Dylan sang "Restless Farewell" (kind of a Dylan
> "My Way" song) to him at his 80th birthday bash -
> absolutely priceless. Might have been Bob's single
> best performance of any song in the 90's.


yup. It was.

The telling thing about that show was that every other artist performed a song associated with Sinatra. Dylan - who seems to have a song for every occasionor as a mate of mine once said "a song for every day of your life" - performed his own "Restless farewell", a song he hadnt played in over thirty years.

Sinatra specifically requested it (well, you're not gonna refuse, are ya?). He obviously identified with the lyrics. Bob wrote them when he was 22. Amazing how appropriate they sounded when played at a birthday celebration of an 80 year old man. Especially that last verse. It was almost as if he was preparing his own epitaph.



Oh all the money that in my whole life I did spend,
Be it mine right or wrongfully,
I let it slip gladly past the hands of my friends
To tie up the time most forcefully.
But the bottles are done,
We've killed each one
And the table's full and overflowed.
And the corner sign
Says it's closing time,
So I'll bid farewell and be down the road.

Oh ev'ry girl that ever I've touched,
I did not do it harmfully.
And ev'ry girl that ever I've hurt,
I did not do it knowin'ly.
But to remain as friends and make amends
You need the time and stay behind.
And since my feet are now fast
And point away from the past,
I'll bid farewell and be down the line.

Oh ev'ry foe that ever I faced,
The cause was there before we came.
And ev'ry cause that ever I fought,
I fought it full without regret or shame.
But the dark does die
As the curtain is drawn and somebody's eyes
Must meet the dawn.
And if I see the day
I'd only have to stay,
So I'll bid farewell in the night and be gone.

Oh, ev'ry thought that's strung a knot in my mind,
I might go insane if it couldn't be sprung.
But it's not to stand naked under unknowin' eyes,
It's for myself and my friends my stories are sung.
But the time ain't tall,
Yet on time you depend and no word is possessed
By no special friend.
And though the line is cut,
It ain't quite the end,
I'll just bid farewell till we meet again.

Oh a false clock tries to tick out my time
To disgrace, distract, and bother me.
And the dirt of gossip blows into my face,
And the dust of rumors covers me.
But if the arrow is straight
And the point is slick,
It can pierce through dust no matter how thick.
So I'll make my stand
And remain as I am
And bid farewell and not give a damn.




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Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: March 15, 2006 00:33

ryanpow Wrote:
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> > Yeah, all this Icon, generation and money crap
> has nothing to do with MUSIC.


You don't think Sinatra had anything to do with music - that what you're implying? Sinatra had more influence on popular music in the 20th century than all but a handful of indidivuals or bands, including the Stones.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: March 15, 2006 00:35

Gazza Wrote:
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> T&A Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'll never forget the look on Frank's face
> when
> > Dylan sang "Restless Farewell" (kind of a
> Dylan
> > "My Way" song) to him at his 80th birthday
> bash -
> > absolutely priceless. Might have been Bob's
> single
> > best performance of any song in the 90's.
>
>
> yup. It was.
>
> The telling thing about that show was that every
> other artist performed a song associated with
> Sinatra. Dylan - who seems to have a song for
> every occasionor as a mate of mine once said "a
> song for every day of your life" - performed his
> own "Restless farewell", a song he hadnt played in
> over thirty years.
>
> Sinatra specifically requested it (well, you're
> not gonna refuse, are ya?). He obviously
> identified with the lyrics. Bob wrote them when he
> was 22. Amazing how appropriate they sounded when
> played at a birthday celebration of an 80 year old
> man. Especially that last verse. It was almost as
> if he was preparing his own epitaph.
>
>
>

Gazza - as a grown man (not grown up, necessarily), I don't mind saying that when I listen to that particular performance to this day, I'm reduced to tears. It's that powerful. Listen to the way he turns the phrase at the end on "no matter how thick" - I just got goosebumps on the back of my neck as I wrote that and remembered how it sounds....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-03-15 00:36 by T&A.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: March 15, 2006 01:38

T&A Wrote:
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> ryanpow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Yeah, all this Icon, generation and
> money crap
> > has nothing to do with MUSIC.
>
>
> You don't think Sinatra had anything to do with
> music - that what you're implying? Sinatra had
> more influence on popular music in the 20th
> century than all but a handful of indidivuals or
> bands, including the Stones.

Sinatra is music to me, I think he is an artist. What
Im saying that muscially they have nothing in common. Theyre two completley diffrent genres. yes, they are icons for their generations, you can draw a lot of parallels betwee their carrears, but I think musically they are in two different worlds. in that respect they have nothing in common. But, the origional post in this thread does not dispute what i am saying, so perhaps my comments were off topic . I realize that now.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: March 15, 2006 01:41

you're excused.

but, IMO, there are plenty of musical similarities. I'm a roots guy - almost all of the music I listen to - blues, jazz, country, folk, rock - all tie back together at some place/point. I really think the labels are there for convenience - good music is good music is good music. To me, Sinatra and the Stones have more similarities than differences....

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: March 15, 2006 02:08

T&A Wrote:
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> you're excused.
>
> but, IMO, there are plenty of musical
> similarities. I'm a roots guy - almost all of the
> music I listen to - blues, jazz, country, folk,
> rock - all tie back together at some place/point.
> I really think the labels are there for
> convenience - good music is good music is good
> music. To me, Sinatra and the Stones have more
> similarities than differences....

Keith is turning into quite the crooner in his later years. Pretty successfully too, I think. I could see Frank doing This Place Is Empty if he were still around and able to perform, and I could see Keith doing My Way at this point in his career.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: March 15, 2006 03:08

T&A Wrote:
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> I really think the labels are there for
> convenience - good music is good music is good
> music. To me, Sinatra and the Stones have more
> similarities than differences....


yeah I agree with that. I dont like to put labels on music, or at least making the label so important.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: LOGIE ()
Date: March 16, 2006 23:07

I think the analogy is a good one. After all, what other reason could there possibly be behind the Stones playing mostly songs that they wrote during their supposed "prime".

As for re-inventing themselves, well they gave up on that idea long ago, and have since chosen instead to become nothing more than a tribute band to their own classics.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Just like Frank became.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: March 16, 2006 23:33

LOGIE Wrote:
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> I think the analogy is a good one. After all, what
> other reason could there possibly be behind the
> Stones playing mostly songs that they wrote during
> their supposed "prime".
>
> As for re-inventing themselves, well they gave up
> on that idea long ago, and have since chosen
> instead to become nothing more than a tribute band
> to their own classics.
>
> Nothing more. Nothing less. Just like Frank
> became.



Yes, this is all true, but theres something about this analogy that seems hollow to me. Theres more to it than just that, otherwise i wouldnt be a fan. I dunno im just not totally satisfied with it. but its a good point to bring up.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: LOGIE ()
Date: March 17, 2006 00:22

ryanpow Wrote:
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>
>
> Yes, this is all true, but theres something about
> this analogy that seems hollow to me. Theres more
> to it than just that, otherwise i wouldnt be a
> fan. I dunno im just not totally satisfied with
> it. but its a good point to bring up.
>

Excellent point ryanpow.

There IS still a huge mystery to the attraction of the band, leaving me to ask myself time over as to why I keep going back for more and more.



Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: March 17, 2006 00:26

And only god omnipotent indeed knew they were animals of a different breed.



ROCKMAN

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: March 17, 2006 00:38

Actually I think Logie's observation is very astute. There was something very "intangible" about Ol' Blue Eyes. Beyond being perhaps the best interpreter of popular song in the entire century (many have cited him as that), there was also:

- an image, a representation and a harkening back to a bygone (better?) era
- an attitude he projected that was intoxicating for his fans
- a sense of timelessness and indestructability that he possessed

Any of those attitubes sound vaguely familiar?

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: March 17, 2006 00:44

LOGIE Wrote:
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> I think the analogy is a good one. After all, what
> other reason could there possibly be behind the
> Stones playing mostly songs that they wrote during
> their supposed "prime".
>
> As for re-inventing themselves, well they gave up
> on that idea long ago, and have since chosen
> instead to become nothing more than a tribute band
> to their own classics.
>
> Nothing more. Nothing less. Just like Frank
> became.

I think the analogy is a good one, but I wouldn't go quite so far as to say the Stones are "nothing more than a tribute band to their own classics." They aren't far away from that, but they do have a critically acclaimed new album out, and they do play a few songs a night from it (not nearly enough, but some).

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: March 17, 2006 01:03

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> > They aren't far away from that, but they do have a
> critically acclaimed new album out,


They do? What's it called? Somebody should phone the band and tell them!

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: March 17, 2006 01:13

T&A Wrote:
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> ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > They aren't far away from that, but they
> do have a
> > critically acclaimed new album out,
>
>
> They do? What's it called? Somebody should phone
> the band and tell them!
>

If Chuck wasn't putting at least two songs per night in the setlist (or three or four on a good night), I honestly think they would have forgotten by now that they have a new album out. It really is a crime that, at a bare minimum, they don't at least play both Rough Justice and ONNYA each and every night. Those two have been two of the highlights of the tour for me.

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: March 17, 2006 01:40

LOGIE Wrote:
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> ryanpow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> >
> > > There IS still a huge mystery to the attraction of
> the band, leaving me to ask myself time over as to
> why I keep going back for more and more.
>
>
>

I think I may have figured it out.

What makes us keep coming back to see the stones and paying enormous amounts to do so is the fact that they posess what the French refer to as a certian "I don't know What".

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: T&A ()
Date: March 17, 2006 01:41

je ne sais quo yer talkin' about

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: March 17, 2006 02:23

Sais quo? Is that french for Staus Quo? Now there is a cutting edge band!

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: StonesTod ()
Date: March 17, 2006 07:42

pardon my french

(t&a) je ne said quoi

Re: Today's Stones = Old Sinatra
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: March 17, 2006 09:22

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> Sais quo? Is that french for Staus Quo? Now there
> is a cutting edge band!

Once was, in 1968-69(top some extent 1970-71); go check with Dandelion.


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