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"No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: bassplayer617 ()
Date: March 5, 2006 02:17

I say this because I happen to love the version of "Respectable" that's on this one. The speed is just right, and Keith rocks his butt off on it. Chugga-chugga. Personally, I always thought that the '78 bootleg versions were too fast, but the '99 version presented here just nails it.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: nikkibong ()
Date: March 5, 2006 02:20

love no security myself. Respectable is excellent, as are Out of Control, The Last Time and Thief in the Night.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 5, 2006 02:22

theres some very good versions on that album for sure - Resepctable is certainly one of them. Love it for the same reasons as you do (the album came out in November 1998 by the way - all the songs are from 1997-98)

"Out of Control" however takes the honours on this album. It was the tour highlight anyway, but the version from Buenos Aires captured on No Security is electrifying - and (like 'Saint of me' from the same concert) gives a great snapshot of the atmosphere at those Argentinian shows. Pity the rest of that show has never circulated.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: stones_serb ()
Date: March 5, 2006 02:27

No Security is an amazing live album,showing Stones in all of their post-Taylor glory.It's certainly the best live album of Ron Wood era.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: James Kirk ()
Date: March 5, 2006 02:49

It's a fine live cd. But it doesn't get a ton of respect because there are far too many live Stones cd's. Nobody except the people on these boards wants to hear another one.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: StonesTod ()
Date: March 5, 2006 02:57

i like it fine. respectable is....well, respectable....but it doesn't hold a candle to the killer '78 versions.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Glass Slide ()
Date: March 5, 2006 03:31

StonesTod Wrote:
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> i like it fine. respectable is....well,
> respectable....but it doesn't hold a candle to the
> killer '78 versions.



So true--I am listening to Palladium 6/19 and Respectable,
immediately preceded by When The Whip Comes Down could not be
any hotter.

Actually--with the exception of the stadium shows--Philly, Buffalo etc, they, as a band, were really hitting on all cylinders.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Date: March 5, 2006 03:57

James Kirk Wrote:
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> It's a fine live cd. But it doesn't get a ton of
> respect because there are far too many live Stones
> cd's. Nobody except the people on these boards
> wants to hear another one.

Probably true but,I don't understand why they do not want these types of cds.They have no problem buying junk like Barry Manilow.Looking at the charts makes me wonder.80% crap.They also left off quite a few songs that I thought should have been on there.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: March 5, 2006 04:02

No Security is great. The best thing about it is it contains no songs that had been officially released previously (we're talking live versions here). That's the way to do a Stones live CD these days, since no one is exactly clamoring for the 50th official live release of Satisfaction and the other warhorses.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: ryanpow ()
Date: March 5, 2006 04:34

I like No security. I think is funny that the stones toured to promote that album (but Great!) If you think about it, Those songs were all from the Bridges to Bablyon Tour. It doesnt make any sense to tour in order to promote a live album. Othewise, there would have been a Still Life Tour in '82, and a Flashpoint Tour in '91. A live album is supposed to commemorate a tour (for the fans at least). Touring to promote it is kind of an oxy- moron. But it just goes to show you that they were really hot and wanted to keep it going, so why not go out on the road again? I think that was the closest Back To Back Us Touring they had done since 65-66.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: March 5, 2006 04:53

It was more like the album was created to promote the tour. They were going to keep touring anyway, and they wanted something out to help promote it and differintiate it in the public's mind from Bridges To Babylon. Either way, it was a great tour. We're all very lucky that the Stones have toured as much as they have in the last 12 years. The only years from 1994-2006 they haven't toured in are '96, '00, '01 and '04.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: cc ()
Date: March 5, 2006 07:29

I never understood the title of the album. Or the cover photo?

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Milo Yammbag ()
Date: March 5, 2006 10:12

For everyone that complains that the band plays the same setlist and their live albums are 50% warhorses......HERE IS THE LIVE ALBUM YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR, THE "ANTI-WARHORSE LIVE ALBUM".

I think it is very much underrated. Sound quality excellent. "Off the beaten path" songs. No Security was released for the diehards. ENJOY IT.

How many of you would love to go to a show on The Bigger Bang Tour and hear half of the tracks on NS played live, plus 4 tracks from A Bigger Bang" and then JJF, Brown Sugar, Rambler. That would be a setlist.

Highlights:
1-Shelter (second best version next to 1995 Stripped Single)
2-awsome version of Respectable
3-Out of Control
4-You Got Me Rocking

They released an album containing NONE (well technically Waiting On A Friend was a Hit) of their Hits. Ballsy move.....and people pan them for it.

They can never win because they are always compared to themselves...kinda @#$%& up when you think about it.

Milo, NYC
We don't wanna go home



Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Edward Twining ()
Date: March 5, 2006 10:35

I don't think 'No Security' is underrated necessarily. For the diehard fan there's the prospect of hearing new versions of some rarely played songs. The album does serve a purpose although trying to claim that 'Respectable' is better than the live 78 version is just plain silly. Apart from the differences in tempo Mick's lost a lot of the power and raw energy vocally which was so evident on the 78 tour.
The album is good in a professional way - if you want the true spirit of the Stones and an example of what set them apart it's more evident on the seventies bootlegs.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: uz2bstoned ()
Date: March 5, 2006 10:59

The Sound on this is really good. When you compare it with the St Louis DVD of tour the sound is soooo much better. I wish to find some warhorses recorded this well. SFTD recorded to the same standard as Out of Control for example. You can really hear the guitars on No Security and the solo's are mixed really well.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: March 5, 2006 12:03

No Security was a great live album. The japanese version is even better with I Just Wanna Make Love To You as an extra track. I could live without the slow version of Last Time which never did it for me at the shows and did not sound better on No Security IMO. Would have preferred the BTB live version of Little Queenie instead which was a tour highlight for me. Also, a live version of She's A Rainbow would have been a nice addition. But then...you can't always get what...(fill in the blanks).

Of course, No Security was released for the diehards. Unfortunately, it was a commercial disaster for them as only die-hards bought it. I say unfortunately because - as rumours went at the time - this commercial failure prevented them from releasing a planned 2 CD set of unreleased studio stuff.


Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Ringo ()
Date: March 5, 2006 13:24

No Security surely is underrated, especially the excellent Memory Motel with Dave Matthews, that so many seem to hate.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Muddyw ()
Date: March 5, 2006 15:26

Waiting On A Friend is really a treat!! Especially with Joshua Redman on tenorsax! Great part he played. I think the Stones should do more with jazz-musicians (on sax). Maybe on a new studio album?
Well anyway if they play Slave live, they really should hire Joshua Redman or Sonny Rollins maybe :-).

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Doctor Dear! ()
Date: March 5, 2006 16:18

Best live album since 'Ya-Yas' IMO

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Date: March 5, 2006 16:34

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> No Security is great. The best thing about it is
> it contains no songs that had been officially
> released previously (we're talking live versions
> here). That's the way to do a Stones live CD these
> days, since no one is exactly clamoring for the
> 50th official live release of Satisfaction and the
> other warhorses.

I was thinking more along the lines of Crazy Mama,the Bridges To Babylon songs,All About You etc..

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 5, 2006 17:15

Milo Yammbag Wrote:
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>
>>
> They released an album containing NONE (well
> technically Waiting On A Friend was a Hit) of
> their Hits. Ballsy move.....and people pan them
> for it.

whos panning them? all the comments here are quite positive

>> How many of you would love to go to a show on The
> Bigger Bang Tour and hear half of the tracks on NS
> played live, plus 4 tracks from A Bigger Bang" and
> then JJF, Brown Sugar, Rambler. That would be a
> setlist.

yes. which is pretty much what the problem is...

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: virgil ()
Date: March 5, 2006 17:35

Love the Album. Except out of control, St. Louis 97 far superior version should have been used.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: jseb ()
Date: March 5, 2006 17:42

no security is great .... i often listen to it , but there are two problems with it : 1) the photo cover is horrible; never understood why they took it !
2) there are no real links between the songs

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: March 5, 2006 17:46

Sorry, Ringo (BTW, I loved "No NO Song"), but Dave Matthews (so whiny) on my personal favorite Stones song, "Memory Motel", is what ruins an otherwise good live CD for me. Hey, it must be nice having the original Daisy Dukes for a sister-in-law, huh?

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Milo Yammbag ()
Date: March 6, 2006 09:42

Gazza, I meant "panned" in the sense that sales were horrible. Personally, how much an album sells means crap to me, what matters is if the album is good.

Milo, NYC
I was drinking again

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: March 6, 2006 14:20

Milo Yammbag Wrote:
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> Personally, how much an album sells
> means crap to me, what matters is if the album is
> good.

I fully agree. However, I wished for better sales solely because it would have shown them that people were indeed interested in more than just their greatest hits.

That's probably one reason for the fact that up until now, they released no box set or did not feel the need to dig in their archives.


Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 6, 2006 14:26

Milo Yammbag Wrote:
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> Gazza, I meant "panned" in the sense that sales
> were horrible. Personally, how much an album sells
> means crap to me, what matters is if the album is
> good.
>
>

Fair enough, Milo. Thanks.

I think when No Security came out, it actually got decent reviews and they did get praised for avoiding the same old songs again

It came out the same month that tickets went on sale for the NS tour - the first tour where the ticket prices went through the roof. Somewhat ironic that while people were spending crazy money on tickets, then couldnt buy a new album. A bizarre and disturbing trend that has continued to the present day

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: LOGIE ()
Date: March 7, 2006 02:10

The opening salvo of You Got Me Rocking, Gimme Shelter and Flip the Switch are as good as it gets from ANY post-Yas Yas live album.

It's understated. I love it.

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: nikkibong ()
Date: March 7, 2006 02:17

LOGIE Wrote:
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> The opening salvo of You Got Me Rocking, Gimme
> Shelter and Flip the Switch are as good as it gets
> from ANY post-Yas Yas live album.
>
> It's understated. I love it.


Agreed, but with a caveat. I think it was a little dishonest to start a live disc with You Got Me Rocking when they have never kicked off a concert with it. A tad disingenuous IMO

Re: "No Security" Under-rated?
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 7, 2006 02:38

yeah..but opening it with 'Satisfaction' would have broke the "no songs from any post-1977 live albums" policy (theyve actually SINCE opened shows with YGMR - there were some on the Licks tour)

They never ended a show with 'Out of control either..! winking smiley

In fairness it wasnt meant to be a representation of a typical BTB show

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