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Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: April 13, 2006 20:15

Reptile Wrote:
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> By the way, the L6S is ugly as hell.

And, it´s by far the worst guitar I have ever played.

Mathijs

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: browneyedgirl ()
Date: April 14, 2006 00:32

Not that I want to make this into a thread about Mick's attire, but I think it is the same jumpsuit in both photos. I think the color looks lighter just because of different lighting, and in these shots below you can see that one side of the jumpsuit is sparkly stripes & the other side is sparkly dots:


- 18 Jan 1973 by Lynn Goldsmith


- 18 Jan 1973 by Neal Preston

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: RollingStonesRob ()
Date: April 14, 2006 01:01



check out Keith's new Es-345 or 355

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: April 14, 2006 01:43

Well Rob, we actually did check 'em out
[iorr.org]

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: tomk ()
Date: April 14, 2006 05:39

Mathijs Wrote:
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> Reptile Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > By the way, the L6S is ugly as hell.
>
> And, it´s by far the worst guitar I have ever
> played.
>
> Mathijs

Well, I don't know about the one you played,
but the one I had wasn't too bad.
All guitars are different. You should know that.
I had an SG once and a friend of mine got one that was the same year, setup, etc,
and mine sounded light years better than his. Same pickups, blah blah.
Looked like the same damn guitar.
Pull any Tele off the wall and they all play and feel differently.
Same with Gibsons, Ricks, etc...
They were certainly better than the Explorer or those BC Rich guitars.
Remember those awful things?

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: April 14, 2006 10:08

>> I think it is the same jumpsuit in both photos. <<

ahh thank you, BrownEyedGirll! indeed: a dual-personality jumpsuit, just to check if anyone's paying attention, i guess.
3 points to Reptile for noticing. :E

and back to the subject of this fine thread ...
here's a shot of Keith with what looks like an SG at a Terry Reid gig at the Joint in 2002 -
no doubt it was borrowed for the occasion, not Keith's own, but ...


- 2002, by Mark Sullivan
(courtesy of Terry Reid's site)

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: ChelseaDrugstore ()
Date: April 14, 2006 11:30

In the last pic of Keith at the Terry Reid show I also think this is a borrowed guitar. He is even holding it like a foreign being. Keith usually cradles his guitars. This one here he is still obviously giving a look over.
Must say that at first Reptile's very keen observation really threw me. I was positive there was only one Nocaragua show and have never ever seen Keith in that extra cool white outfit anywhere else. especially playing the white SG. (When I got my very first electric I chose a white SG completely because of those photos). So kudos to browneyes for clearing that one up.
BTW Lady Sssoul do you really not like the look of the white SG? In Keith's hands? IMO it looks probably as smooth as humanly possible.

"...no longer shall you trudge 'cross my peaceful mind."

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: April 14, 2006 13:28

yeah, i really don't like the look of SGs - they look crabby to me, in all the senses of the word.
how Keith looks is an entirely different issue, obviously! he does indeed look definitively brilliant in those shots, despite the SG.

and Keith seems to have borrowed guitars in all the shots i've seen from that Terry Reid gig, so ... so i'm glad you agree. :E
have some popcorn.

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: April 14, 2006 18:13

>>He is even holding it like a foreign being.<<

hehe - yeah, guess it doesn't make him feel @home.
Those red SG's look best on Angus Young, imo.

My no.1 is Keith with a Telecaster (Micawer).
2nd through 5th is a though one - maybe
black beauty Les Paul
Pirate Zemaitis
yellow TV Junior
Ted Newmann Jones

btw - on that pic from Terry Reid's site, is that Waddy Wachtel?
sry, I have a blind spot on Terry Reid

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: April 14, 2006 18:31

>> btw - on that pic from Terry Reid's site, is that Waddy Wachtel? <<

it is indeed - in fact i guess it was Waddy's gig, sorry for misidentifying it!
here's what nzentgraf.de has to say about it:

2002 28th October: WADDY WACHTEL. Los Angeles, California, The Joint
All songs unverified:
- Key To The Highway (Big Bill Broonzy/Charles Segar) - KR on vocals
- Jumping Jack Flash (MJ/KR)
- Start Me Up (MJ/KR)
Line-up: KR (gtr)/Waddy Wachtel (gtr)/Bernard Fowler (voc)/
Blondie Chaplin (voc)/Terry Reid (voc)/Rick Rosas (bass)/Phil Jones (dr)

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: April 14, 2006 19:22

Poor Terry Reid was cut out of that pic, but I found it.
[www.fernsduncan.com]

thank you

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: April 14, 2006 19:41

i think he was very *tactfully* edited out of that one, open-g. :E
nice to see a larger version of the shot, though - thanks!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-09-27 14:56 by with sssoul.

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: April 14, 2006 19:53

... and since we've drifted into the territory of Gibsons that are well known,
but rarely seen in Keith's fine hands,
would someone like to tell me about this one, please and thank you very much indeed?
is it an LP Special?? one hardly ever sees Keith with an LP Special ...


- Turin, july 11th or 12th 1982, by Denis O'Regan



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Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: April 14, 2006 20:12

That looke like an old Les Paul Special, with maybe replaced Humbuckers.
originally they would either be P-90 Single coils or closed PAF Humbuckers.
the newer ones would have a stop-tail-piece

and of course the pic above was edited to concentrate on the important part of it, not cut out. ;-)



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Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: April 14, 2006 23:44

with sssoul Wrote:
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> ... and since we've drifted into the territory of
> Gibsons that are well known,
> but rarely seen in Keith's fine hands,
> would someone like to tell me about this one,
> please and thank you very much indeed?
> is it an LP Special?? one hardly ever sees Keith
> with an LP Special ...
>
> [img.photobucket.com]
> guitars/gibson_odd_ones/1982turinnewsbyDenisORegan
> .jpg
> - july 11th or 12th 1982, by Denis O'Regan

A late '70's Special. From '77 on, Gibson sales really declined, and they started to experiment in order to attract new markets. This is one of the experiments: a Special with Dimarzio pickups. By the way, Keith did use this guitar on stage in 1982.

About the L6S: of course I know there can be drastic differences between guitars that appear to be exactly the same. But, with the L6S I personally feel the guitar is intrinsically bad: bad shape, bad wood, bad playability, bad finish, bad pickups. It just is in my opinion in any sense a very badly made guitar. Together with the Marauder (wich is even worse due to the vibrato that doesn't stay in tune), these guitars are Gibson's worst. Again, in my humble opinion.

Mathijs

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: April 15, 2006 00:11

Mathijs Wrote:

> A late '70's Special. From '77 on, Gibson sales
> really declined, and they started to experiment in
> order to attract new markets. This is one of the
> experiments: a Special with Dimarzio pickups. By
> the way, Keith did use this guitar on stage in
> 1982.
>
>
> Mathijs

I was going for an older modell, because of the one-piece bridge.
thought the reissued Specials all had a stop-tail-piece extra.

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: April 15, 2006 00:29

This bridge actually isn´t original it seems, it looks like a badass bridge.

Mathijs

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: tomk ()
Date: April 15, 2006 02:38

Mathijs Wrote:
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> Together with the
> Marauder (wich is even worse due to the vibrato
> that doesn't stay in tune), these guitars are
> Gibson's worst.

Ah, the Marauder. Now that was Gibson's lowest point.
I forgot about that one. Horrible.
Closing the L6S topic, I just remember mine being pretty good.
Ceretainly wasn't the best I've owned, but certainly not the worst.
Then again, I've never played one since, so...

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: April 15, 2006 13:23

>> A late '70's Special. From '77 on, Gibson sales really declined,
and they started to experiment in order to attract new markets.
This is one of the experiments: a Special with Dimarzio pickups. <<

ahh thank you open-g and Mathijs - i thought it was a Special, but was confused by the pick-ups.
it's a good-lookin instrument - was it a worthy experiment?
and if you feel like talking some more about that badass bridge i will be fascinated, please please and thank you!

>> By the way, Keith did use this guitar on stage in 1982. <<

yep, he sure did! has he ever used any other Specials on stage?
it's interesting that Ronnie seems to dig Specials a lot, while Keith clearly prefers Juniors ...


- Turin, july 11th or 12th 1982, by Denis O'Regan



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Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: rooster ()
Date: April 15, 2006 13:28

Great pic S Soul!!!

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: open-g ()
Date: April 15, 2006 16:16

On the left is an old style LP junior wrap-around bridge, on the right it shows a badass bridge.
In both cases the strings are threaded from the pickup side of the guitar and wrapped over the top of the bridge.
It is quite obvious that the badass is superior.
It allows you to intonate each string individually where the original bridge did not.


Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: April 15, 2006 16:57

very cool - thank you kindly, open-g!
i was also reading about bridges here: [en.wikipedia.org]
(which also includes some ideas about the question i was asking about Bigsbys over on that other thread)



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Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: June 24, 2006 13:41

okay so is that red Special Keith's got in 82 actually a Spirit II? Mathijs has kindly provided these photos -
it doesn't look *quite* the same, but ... [scratchin head] ...


- photos courtesy of Mathijs

this is what the Blue Book of Electric Guitars (http://www.gibson.com/Files/downloads/bluebook/GibsonElectrics.pdf) has to say about the Spirit series:

SPIRIT I - double cutaway mahogany body, bound figured maple top, tortoise shell pickguard, mahogany neck, 2 fret rosewood fingerboard with pearl dot inlay, tunable wrapover bridge, blackface peghead with logo decal, 3 per side tuners with plastic buttons, chrome hardware, 1 exposed humbucker pickup, volume/tone control. Available in Natural, Red and Sunburst finishes. Mfd. 1982 to 1988.

SPIRIT II - similar to Spirit I, except has no pickguard, 2 exposed humbuckers pickups, 2 volume/1 tone controls.

Spirit II XPL - similar to Spirit I, except has bound fingerboard, Kahler vibrato, 6 on one side tuners, 2 exposed humbuckers pickups, 2 volume/1 tone controls. Mfd. 1985 to 1987

and just for good measure, a Spirit I: [www.vintage-guitars.se]



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Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: December 2, 2006 12:19

With sssoul, would you be s kind to upload that new picture of Keith and this Spirit I have send you? Thanks!

Mathijs

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 2, 2006 12:34

sure thing, Mathijs!


- 1982, courtesy of Mathijs (don't know who took it, sorry!)


- Frankfurt 1982 (june 30th or july 1st), courtesy of Mathijs (don't know who took this one either, sorry!)



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Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 2, 2006 15:37

okay so i'm officially Still Confused by this Spirit II. the one Keith's got in these photos
has a different configuration of controls than the one described in the Blue Book and in the "generic" Spirit II photos.
was Keith's model a prototype or something? have some popcorn ...

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 3, 2006 01:22

this fine shot that Mathijs sent me (thank you!) just came up in another thread:


- 1968 by Ethan Russell (courtesy of Mathijs)

thanks to some really thrilling detective work, it seems we can say that that was very likely taken
in late september/early october 1968 at the Stones' rehearsal hall on Bermondsey Street in southeast london.
thanks to Mathijs i already know that's a Firebird 7 that Keith's got there -
is it the same instrument that he had at the Warsaw 67 concerts?


- Warsaw, april 13th 1967 by Marek Karewicz (courtesy of BrownEyedGirll)

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 3, 2006 01:29

[peering hard:] it looks like a different Firebird that he took into the IORR promo video fray -
i love this shot :E


- june 1974 by Michael Putland (courtesy of Rockman)



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Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: December 3, 2006 01:34

I love the look of those non-reverse Firebirds! They look weird, but not heavy metal weird! tongue sticking out smiley

Re: Keith & some lesser-known Gibsons
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: December 3, 2006 01:44

smile: i never liked 'em myself - they make more sense to me than the reverse models, but not enough sense.
i admit they do look pretty hip with Keith behind them, though. :E

... er, there are also photos of Keith makin some Firebirds look pretty hip in this thread here: [www.iorr.org]
sorry for the re-run!

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