The discussion about the production of ABB, started me thinking again about this album. I think why a lot of the critical response was pretty good "best since Some Girls" is a typical comment, is because the record is coherent. This means the sound of the record is very unified, for that Don Was, should get a big pat on the back. I think B2B had as good songs, but perhaps missed this coherence with the various production teams involved. In addition the rootsier recording style also added to the coherence (Mick doing drum salvage for instance).
I still think its a mixed bag though, but a fine effort at this stage of the game, (walks to stereo,turns up Rough Justice loud)

fell out of my rotation fairly quickly - not even sure where the damned disc is at this point!

I gave it a rest or a few weeks then came back to it and like it just as much. Really outstandingdrumming, too and I love this short, sweet pure rock n' roll solo on Oh No by Keith...

still holding strong.......and will with the passage of time imo

a brillant cd by the stones.Stones as a group have been goin for so long
and lot of the so called fans have moved on,I like the way the stones music
is always diffrent. LONG LIVE THE STONES,MOANERS CAN FADE AWAY.KISH

Great CD I haven't stopped listening to it. I'm actually listening to it now.

Raise your glass to the good and the evil, Let's drink to the salt of the earth.

Heard it yesterday. That would make it about 50000000000000000 listen-throughs by now. It gets better every time.

JumpingKentFlash

I say we slice Don Was' throat! His production is HIDDEOUS!

I'm just listening to select songs off of it now. Like ONNYA, Let Me Down Slow, Rough Justice, Biggest Mistake, She Saw Me Coming and Back Of My Hand.

Very very good record, that is definitely going to stand the test of time.

"got to be worked on
don't have no bark nor bite..."

I would agree that it's generally got a coherent sound, but as someone pointed out here a while ago, the Clifford collaborations sound a lot different, and that a "dance" tune shouldn't necessarily require a "dance" mix. See "Miss You." It's kind of dorky to switch on the "dance" eq for a song simply in that vein.

Also, I would say VL has a consistent sound, although it's stylistically trying to cover every base. And that album stinks. ABB is, "for this stage in the game," ok.

Been away for 4 days and really missed it - now playing! Great stuff!

I still think it's a great album, a Stones classic!
Does anybody know what the world wide sales figures
for it are???

Still think its very good & will hold up towards upper tier of catalogue when all said & down maybe like 8th best or so MEZ

I've reconfigured mine into "A Better Bang" adding "Under The Radar" as the second track, replacing "RFD" with the shorter remix, dumping "Neo-Con" altogether and placing "We Don't Wanna Go Home" at the end before "Imfamy." NOW it plays like a modern day "Exile."

you STOLE my idea, R! I did this awhile back - dumped 5 from ABB that I can't stomach, added 3 from 40L that I would almost never play (they are better than almost all the ABB tunes, IMO)...and then added the 3 newer tunes (including Hurricane at the end). Mine opens with the album's strongest track, SSMC....

Sh-t! I should have put in that "Hurricane" song. Of course tht's about three/four years old as I understand it.

really? I had assumed Woody & Keef did this little ditty post Katrina...guessed wrong I guess...

From what I've heard from people who received the actual disc at those West Coast shows - the song is ©2002. Still, as it was first made available along w/ ABB it's surely no less timely.

im still digging it

Still a load of half-baked re-gurgitated Bollocks

Still playing it regularly, still enjoying it! It does run out of steam over the last 2/3 tracks. I do not understand the decison making on tracks - why the hell did they left Under the Radar off and laeve the likes of 'Look what the cat dragged in' on. UTR is a great song. Cat dragged in is not.
All in all though, I think the album is a good one.

StonesTod Wrote:
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> you STOLE my idea, R! I did this awhile back -
> dumped 5 from ABB that I can't stomach, added 3
> from 40L that I would almost never play (they are
> better than almost all the ABB tunes, IMO)...and
> then added the 3 newer tunes (including Hurricane
> at the end). Mine opens with the album's strongest
> track, SSMC....


I really don't see the point in that. Does it mean that if you didn't like Prodigal Son from Beggars Banquet, you'd make your very own Better Banquet and skip Prodigal Son, replacing it with, say, Highway Child??? That's SO effin' lame man.

JumpingKentFlash

I haven't played it at all since about a week or two after it came out. Bet it's still crap.

It still doesn't do much for me. I listened to it again this morning through headphones, it just sounds very samey.
'Back of my hand', (which is a good song) is the odd one out really - I don't see the co-relation between this track and say, "See what the cat dragged in" and other similar pop/dance sounding tracks. Either make a blues album or make a pop/dance album.
Don't think Charlie played as good on this as he did other albums - in a creative way I mean. He hardly hits the toms at all.
IMO - We waited so long and got so little.

I just can't get on board with this album... I'm trying really hard, but some of these songs are just not stones material... Rain Fall Down, Streets of Love and Sweet Neocon are just atrocious

I like the riffs on RJ and ONNYA though

I love SOL, Neocon and RFD. Just b/c they are different doesnt mean they aren't Stones. The Stones are amazing b/c they are able to change their style- Anybody Seen My Baby?, She's a Rainbow, Miss You, etc. Change is the best thing for a band. I love it.

jumpinjackgreg Wrote:
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> I love SOL, Neocon and RFD. Just b/c they are
> different doesnt mean they aren't Stones. The
> Stones are amazing b/c they are able to change
> their style- Anybody Seen My Baby?, She's a
> Rainbow, Miss You, etc. Change is the best thing
> for a band. I love it.


Exactly right Greg! The Stones put it out and that means it's The Stones PERIOD. If people think that it isn't, then they are prejudice to new material. That usually means that you're conservative towards The Stones, and then that means that those people are stuck in the past.

Jeez. Elton John should have saved his title "Listen, Without Prejudice" for The Stones.

JumpingKentFlash

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> StonesTod Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > you STOLE my idea, R! I did this awhile
> back -
> > dumped 5 from ABB that I can't stomach, added
> 3
> > from 40L that I would almost never play (they
> are
> > better than almost all the ABB tunes,
> IMO)...and
> > then added the 3 newer tunes (including
> Hurricane
> > at the end). Mine opens with the album's
> strongest
> > track, SSMC....
>
>
> I really don't see the point in that. Does it mean
> that if you didn't like Prodigal Son from Beggars
> Banquet, you'd make your very own Better Banquet
> and skip Prodigal Son, replacing it with, say,
> Highway Child??? That's SO effin' lame man.
>


What the hell are you talking about, dude? It's lame to listen to what I like? It's lame to listen to something you don't like...

I'm still playing ABB quite frequently ... I do agree there are a few tracks that drag it down ... especially Neocon but overall I'm still getting a lot out of it!


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