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I think there was some confusion in regard to what you said about the Stones and AI in the video: I was talking about the AI in the video, you went outside the video about AI. That's how I understood it and what I commented about.
No big deal.
That's part of BV's, rightfully so, disgust about AI in regard to talking about the Stones, which is obvious in the AI Stones Replica thread when the IMAX movie was brought up that I got involved with - nothing to do with AI so I'm not sure why he closed it down since the IMAX movie was brought up but that was not the subject of the thread so perhaps that's why and in some minor aspects of iorr.org the thread took a different turn - which I know I have been a part of over the years - but I get the feeling that's not why BV shut it down.
We are here to talk about the music, and I understand that includes their videos - how could it not - but it's mostly about the albums and singles. I get why BV got pissed about the AI chat: it's really no different than politics.
Personally, as a fan, I don't care that the Stones did what they did for the In The Stars video. I understand why people are put off. However it's not our creation. As always the Stones will do what they do. If it pisses people off, great - which is hilarious considering their career: it's their absolute least intrusive aspect as a band, as artists, compared to almost anything else.
The almost being the Angry video, which is really nice. And maybe a few videos prior that have actors/actresses in them instead of the Stones, which, I may be wrong, but I think Doom And Gloom was the last one.
Back to the thread:
In The Stars is the first Keith open G 1/4 riffing that's the backbone of the song - in a song in quite a while - that I can think of. There are some albums when he didn't play that way - or if he did it was one song. "He doesn't like standard tuning" say some ridiculous reels on the internet.
Wrong.
It's gotten horrendous online, mostly apps, with whatever - anything, and beyond the Stones - and almost everything has an ad attached to it.
Getting to the point of not bothering anymore. I'll just stick with Apple Music and in whatever format of purchased music.
Honest question BV...
how do you square your own feelings/policy on AI/deepfake Stones content when the Stones seem to have embraced it themselves?
Perosnally i think the video is terrible for that reason alone!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026-05-26 19:13 by HalfNanker.
I’ve just had a look – very interesting, thanks for the link. It sounds like a very good focus on ‘industry standards’ as applied to the processing of vocals and singing to ‘sound modern’, and all the limitations and downsides of this approach. The next step he takes seems a bit more forced to me. Essentially, he says: ‘If the goal is to “sound modern”, why not replace everything with AI?’. And then he comes out with clichés like “in two minutes with a prompt” and that’s it. I don’t want to go into it in depth because I know it would lead into an area that bv doesn’t like. I’ll just say that the idea that emerges from the second part of this interesting analysis strikes me as superficial and a bit conformist to a certain view of AI as the end not only of the singers but of the human race.
Unless I’m missing something….way too short
I think this is the video phd27 is talking about:
[www.youtube.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026-05-28 05:29 by doitywoik.
Fact?
Nope. Prove it as "fact".
Meet industry standards?
Do you know who you're talking about? He sings bad on purpose.
WTF.
What a fake thing to say.
I do not and have not heard anything in regard to what you say - fake - about Mick's vocal with In The Stars - he's all over the place with "wrong" bits. His vocal delivery is not capable of being tweaked with anything that you speak of - it was on purpose with Living In A Ghost Town.
Fake opinion. Go fake off.
Interesting analysis of the song and the notes. The guy obviously knows what he's talking about.
Yes, he’s really good at these deep-dive analyses of tracks. So, Mick’s vocals are pitch-corrected and auto-tuned? It isn’t organic; it isn’t ‘right’ at all.
What comes across to me is that he doesn't like the processed version of Mick's voice as heard in In The Stars (and is not exactly a fan of digital streamlining of singers' voices in general) and would have preferred to hear Mick's unadulterated voice. He makes it clear that he doesn't think that the song has been "written" by AI, and the video is no Stones bashing either, just a bashing of certain production methods. I must admit that Mick's voice sounds strange also to me but in the end it's a matter of one's personal aesthetics. I would very much like to hear the song with Mick's natural voice but we will possibly never get the chance.
Wings Of Pegasus has many interesting analytical videos and often argues (quite convicingly, in my view) that many songs (or passages in songs) sound as great as they do especially because the singer or the guitar is not 100% in tune but just a tiny little bit sharp or flat. In a way, also blue notes in blues or jazz come to mind here.
On a side note, my wife - who didn't know there is a new Stones single - recently heard the song on the radio and told me she heard a song by a group who try to sound like the Stones. I then told here it is in fact the Stones and she first would not believe me because of the way Mick's voice sounds in the song ...
Don't forget Living In A Ghost Town, a pre-Watt era track.
BTW, do people think his voice sounds processed on Rough And Twisted as well? I don't think it does. Not on quite a few tracks on HD either (Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword, Bite My Head Off etc.).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026-05-28 15:02 by DandelionPowderman.
Very true! No, I do concede there’s to more to the changes than merely whatever Andrew Watt is doing. One thing that does standout to me is just how more ‘up-front’ Mick’s vocals now are. They almost dominate some tracks.
So were the Stones on the set, Odessa sure seemed to think so. What’s phonier? (I apologize if indeed they were there)
Meh, I don't really like this. I like this better, just Mick as he is:
Dreamy Skies and Rolling Stone Blues are some good recent ones with relaxed singing.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: May 26, 2026 01:56
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What facts are you referring to, what facts do you have that proves AI will not become a threat to humanity.
No idea why you brought up AI or that scenario - which started a while ago and is spreading worse than an all the viruses in the world combined.
The facts I'm referring to include the aspect of no information, which for some people seems to be a welcoming aspect of conspiring with dramatic opinion based in absolute fantasyland that, obviously, has zero relevance: the skeleton of the wrong opinion.
It's what we were discussing.
Not to worry, perhaps you are caught in your own loop, but you definitely have a beautiful mind GasLightStreet, keep on Rocking.
I think there was some confusion in regard to what you said about the Stones and AI in the video: I was talking about the AI in the video, you went outside the video about AI. That's how I understood it and what I commented about.
No big deal.
That's part of BV's, rightfully so, disgust about AI in regard to talking about the Stones, which is obvious in the AI Stones Replica thread when the IMAX movie was brought up that I got involved with - nothing to do with AI so I'm not sure why he closed it down since the IMAX movie was brought up but that was not the subject of the thread so perhaps that's why and in some minor aspects of iorr.org the thread took a different turn - which I know I have been a part of over the years - but I get the feeling that's not why BV shut it down.
We are here to talk about the music, and I understand that includes their videos - how could it not - but it's mostly about the albums and singles. I get why BV got pissed about the AI chat: it's really no different than politics.
Personally, as a fan, I don't care that the Stones did what they did for the In The Stars video. I understand why people are put off. However it's not our creation. As always the Stones will do what they do. If it pisses people off, great - which is hilarious considering their career: it's their absolute least intrusive aspect as a band, as artists, compared to almost anything else.
The almost being the Angry video, which is really nice. And maybe a few videos prior that have actors/actresses in them instead of the Stones, which, I may be wrong, but I think Doom And Gloom was the last one.
Back to the thread:
In The Stars is the first Keith open G 1/4 riffing that's the backbone of the song - in a song in quite a while - that I can think of. There are some albums when he didn't play that way - or if he did it was one song. "He doesn't like standard tuning" say some ridiculous reels on the internet.
Wrong.
It's gotten horrendous online, mostly apps, with whatever - anything, and beyond the Stones - and almost everything has an ad attached to it.
Getting to the point of not bothering anymore. I'll just stick with Apple Music and in whatever format of purchased music.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
HalfNanker
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Date: May 26, 2026 18:52
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bv
First of all I would advice everyone here NOT to get personal. Everyone have the right to say their own opinion, without being chased or bullied.
Secondly, please keep focus on the SONG, that is why this thread is called "Track Talk". I know I was stupid by merging the video thread into this thread, it is too late to undo.
Thirdly, it is strange that this thread "In The Stars - Track Talk", is getting 700 comments over 23 pages, and counting, while the "Rough And Twisted" thread is down to 100 comments and just 4 pages. Sure there was the vinyl thread, but still, they are both songs on the coming album.
Is it the video? Is it just too offending? Personally, I never bothered much about any video, for me the music is the post important part.
Honest question BV...
how do you square your own feelings/policy on AI/deepfake Stones content when the Stones seem to have embraced it themselves?
Perosnally i think the video is terrible for that reason alone!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026-05-26 19:13 by HalfNanker.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
phd27
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Date: May 27, 2026 21:09
I just watched a video released on YouTube by wingofpegasus exclusively dedicated to « In the Stars ». To summarize it is a massacre. Not the song itself but the fact that Mick voice is thru and thru tuned/corrected digitally. Just to meet actual music industry standards. The musician/analyst immensely regrets this turning point by The Stones. It compares it to famous artists who live simply lipsync (Taylor Swift…).
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
maumau
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Date: May 27, 2026 22:34
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phd27
I just watched a video released on YouTube by wingofpegasus exclusively dedicated to « In the Stars ». To summarize it is a massacre. Not the song itself but the fact that Mick voice is thru and thru tuned/corrected digitally. Just to meet actual music industry standards. The musician/analyst immensely regrets this turning point by The Stones. It compares it to famous artists who live simply lipsync (Taylor Swift…).
I’ve just had a look – very interesting, thanks for the link. It sounds like a very good focus on ‘industry standards’ as applied to the processing of vocals and singing to ‘sound modern’, and all the limitations and downsides of this approach. The next step he takes seems a bit more forced to me. Essentially, he says: ‘If the goal is to “sound modern”, why not replace everything with AI?’. And then he comes out with clichés like “in two minutes with a prompt” and that’s it. I don’t want to go into it in depth because I know it would lead into an area that bv doesn’t like. I’ll just say that the idea that emerges from the second part of this interesting analysis strikes me as superficial and a bit conformist to a certain view of AI as the end not only of the singers but of the human race.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
maumau
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Date: May 27, 2026 22:36
Just out on RS social media a behind the scenes of the video
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
Maindefender
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Date: May 28, 2026 00:12
Unless I’m missing something….way too short
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
maidenlane
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Date: May 28, 2026 00:29
Complaints about artists using AI are no different than the contemporaneous complaints over Dylan going electric, the move to stereo from mono, Keith using a fuzz box on Satisfaction, Quadrophonic sound, digital versus analog, the loudness wars, 33 versus 78 RPM, etc., etc. In a few years we will laugh at it ever having been controversial.
They are artists and some artists will always push the envelope for kicks and to stay contemporary.
Me, I'm still angry about the Stones foray into thermographic imaging for the Emotional Rescue album cover.
They are artists and some artists will always push the envelope for kicks and to stay contemporary.
Me, I'm still angry about the Stones foray into thermographic imaging for the Emotional Rescue album cover.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
doitywoik
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Date: May 28, 2026 01:15
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phd27
I just watched a video released on YouTube by wingofpegasus exclusively dedicated to « In the Stars ». To summarize it is a massacre. Not the song itself but the fact that Mick voice is thru and thru tuned/corrected digitally. Just to meet actual music industry standards. The musician/analyst immensely regrets this turning point by The Stones. It compares it to famous artists who live simply lipsync (Taylor Swift…).
I’ve just had a look – very interesting, thanks for the link. It sounds like a very good focus on ‘industry standards’ as applied to the processing of vocals and singing to ‘sound modern’, and all the limitations and downsides of this approach. The next step he takes seems a bit more forced to me. Essentially, he says: ‘If the goal is to “sound modern”, why not replace everything with AI?’. And then he comes out with clichés like “in two minutes with a prompt” and that’s it. I don’t want to go into it in depth because I know it would lead into an area that bv doesn’t like. I’ll just say that the idea that emerges from the second part of this interesting analysis strikes me as superficial and a bit conformist to a certain view of AI as the end not only of the singers but of the human race.
I think this is the video phd27 is talking about:
[www.youtube.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026-05-28 05:29 by doitywoik.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: May 28, 2026 08:32
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phd27
I just watched a video released on YouTube by wingofpegasus exclusively dedicated to « In the Stars ». To summarize it is a massacre. Not the song itself but the fact that Mick voice is thru and thru tuned/corrected digitally. Just to meet actual music industry standards. The musician/analyst immensely regrets this turning point by The Stones. It compares it to famous artists who live simply lipsync (Taylor Swift…).
Fact?
Nope. Prove it as "fact".
Meet industry standards?
Do you know who you're talking about? He sings bad on purpose.
WTF.
What a fake thing to say.
I do not and have not heard anything in regard to what you say - fake - about Mick's vocal with In The Stars - he's all over the place with "wrong" bits. His vocal delivery is not capable of being tweaked with anything that you speak of - it was on purpose with Living In A Ghost Town.
Fake opinion. Go fake off.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: May 28, 2026 09:04
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doitywoikQuote
maumauQuote
phd27
I just watched a video released on YouTube by wingofpegasus exclusively dedicated to « In the Stars ». To summarize it is a massacre. Not the song itself but the fact that Mick voice is thru and thru tuned/corrected digitally. Just to meet actual music industry standards. The musician/analyst immensely regrets this turning point by The Stones. It compares it to famous artists who live simply lipsync (Taylor Swift…).
I’ve just had a look – very interesting, thanks for the link. It sounds like a very good focus on ‘industry standards’ as applied to the processing of vocals and singing to ‘sound modern’, and all the limitations and downsides of this approach. The next step he takes seems a bit more forced to me. Essentially, he says: ‘If the goal is to “sound modern”, why not replace everything with AI?’. And then he comes out with clichés like “in two minutes with a prompt” and that’s it. I don’t want to go into it in depth because I know it would lead into an area that bv doesn’t like. I’ll just say that the idea that emerges from the second part of this interesting analysis strikes me as superficial and a bit conformist to a certain view of AI as the end not only of the singers but of the human race.
I think this is the video phd27 is talking about:
[www.youtube.com]
Interesting analysis of the song and the notes. The guy obviously knows what he's talking about.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
phd27
()
Date: May 28, 2026 10:13
This is the video I was refering to. What puzzled me is that this guy has always been positive about M. Jagger live or studio performances. I am in no way an expert or analyst in voice tuning or autotuning. That guy always praises Mick live performances which were « real » ie without any « manipulation ».
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: May 28, 2026 10:49
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phd27
I just watched a video released on YouTube by wingofpegasus exclusively dedicated to « In the Stars ». To summarize it is a massacre. Not the song itself but the fact that Mick voice is thru and thru tuned/corrected digitally. Just to meet actual music industry standards. The musician/analyst immensely regrets this turning point by The Stones. It compares it to famous artists who live simply lipsync (Taylor Swift…).
Yes, he’s really good at these deep-dive analyses of tracks. So, Mick’s vocals are pitch-corrected and auto-tuned? It isn’t organic; it isn’t ‘right’ at all.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
RnT
()
Date: May 28, 2026 11:45
So now we know why it only took 4 weeks to record the album. Let the software fix it! I hate those productions.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
doitywoik
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Date: May 28, 2026 13:41
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phd27
This is the video I was refering to. What puzzled me is that this guy has always been positive about M. Jagger live or studio performances. I am in no way an expert or analyst in voice tuning or autotuning. That guy always praises Mick live performances which were « real » ie without any « manipulation ».
What comes across to me is that he doesn't like the processed version of Mick's voice as heard in In The Stars (and is not exactly a fan of digital streamlining of singers' voices in general) and would have preferred to hear Mick's unadulterated voice. He makes it clear that he doesn't think that the song has been "written" by AI, and the video is no Stones bashing either, just a bashing of certain production methods. I must admit that Mick's voice sounds strange also to me but in the end it's a matter of one's personal aesthetics. I would very much like to hear the song with Mick's natural voice but we will possibly never get the chance.
Wings Of Pegasus has many interesting analytical videos and often argues (quite convicingly, in my view) that many songs (or passages in songs) sound as great as they do especially because the singer or the guitar is not 100% in tune but just a tiny little bit sharp or flat. In a way, also blue notes in blues or jazz come to mind here.
On a side note, my wife - who didn't know there is a new Stones single - recently heard the song on the radio and told me she heard a song by a group who try to sound like the Stones. I then told here it is in fact the Stones and she first would not believe me because of the way Mick's voice sounds in the song ...
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 28, 2026 13:56
<because the singer or the guitar is not 100% in tune but just a tiny little bit sharp or flat>
But Mick is off and «flat» in places on In The Stars?
I think people are mistaking voice processing and effects for digital tuning here. To me, Mick's voice doesn't sound neither «perfect» or digitally tuned. It just sounds «modern».
But Mick is off and «flat» in places on In The Stars?
I think people are mistaking voice processing and effects for digital tuning here. To me, Mick's voice doesn't sound neither «perfect» or digitally tuned. It just sounds «modern».
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: May 28, 2026 14:18
Could anyone, here, more erudite in this field, give some idea as to what, exactly, Andrew Watt may have added to Mick’s vocals? I’m really not educated at in production whatsoever, you see. To my untrained ears, there is something quite different in the sound of Mick’s Andrew Watt-era vocals, not present during the Don Was years.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 28, 2026 14:51
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Big Al
Could anyone, here, more erudite in this field, give some idea as to what, exactly, Andrew Watt may have added to Mick’s vocals? I’m really not educated at in production whatsoever, you see. To my untrained ears, there is something quite different in the sound of Mick’s Andrew Watt-era vocals, not present during the Don Was years.
Don't forget Living In A Ghost Town, a pre-Watt era track.
BTW, do people think his voice sounds processed on Rough And Twisted as well? I don't think it does. Not on quite a few tracks on HD either (Dreamy Skies, Live By The Sword, Bite My Head Off etc.).
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Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: May 28, 2026 15:01
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
Big Al
Could anyone, here, more erudite in this field, give some idea as to what, exactly, Andrew Watt may have added to Mick’s vocals? I’m really not educated at in production whatsoever, you see. To my untrained ears, there is something quite different in the sound of Mick’s Andrew Watt-era vocals, not present during the Don Was years.
Don't forget Living In A Ghost Town, a pre-Watt era track.
Very true! No, I do concede there’s to more to the changes than merely whatever Andrew Watt is doing. One thing that does standout to me is just how more ‘up-front’ Mick’s vocals now are. They almost dominate some tracks.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
Maindefender
()
Date: May 28, 2026 15:22
We could look at past albums where Mick’s vocals are more “upfront”. IORR comes to mind. I don’t think the proportions are bad on the first two singles, Stars is certainly purposefully more polished as the pop offering
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
rayrad
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Date: May 28, 2026 15:49
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
Stoneage
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Date: May 28, 2026 16:05
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2026-05-28 17:05 by Stoneage.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
Maindefender
()
Date: May 28, 2026 17:13
So were the Stones on the set, Odessa sure seemed to think so. What’s phonier? (I apologize if indeed they were there)
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
MickDaseway
()
Date: May 29, 2026 08:52
Today marks the premiere of Macca's new album, also produced by Andrew. The album is very enjoyable and sounds great. Her voice is natural.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
NilsHolgersson
()
Date: May 29, 2026 10:24
Meh, I don't really like this. I like this better, just Mick as he is:
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: May 29, 2026 10:35
Today marks the premiere of Macca's new album, also produced by Andrew. The album is very enjoyable and sounds great. Her voice is natural.
Know Macca's voice is a delicate thing but thats pushin it !!!
ROCKMAN
Know Macca's voice is a delicate thing but thats pushin it !!!
ROCKMAN
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
peoplewitheyes
()
Date: May 29, 2026 17:16
I would love to hear Mick using his more relaxed singing voice, less forceful, more drawl.
Especially doubled and/or with harmonies, and lowered in the mix generally.
Especially doubled and/or with harmonies, and lowered in the mix generally.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: May 29, 2026 18:44
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peoplewitheyes
I would love to hear Mick using his more relaxed singing voice, less forceful, more drawl.
Especially doubled and/or with harmonies, and lowered in the mix generally.
Dreamy Skies and Rolling Stone Blues are some good recent ones with relaxed singing.
Re: In The Stars - Track Talk
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 29, 2026 23:35
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
peoplewitheyes
I would love to hear Mick using his more relaxed singing voice, less forceful, more drawl.
Especially doubled and/or with harmonies, and lowered in the mix generally.
Dreamy Skies and Rolling Stone Blues are some good recent ones with relaxed singing.
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