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Instead of being happy that we have new content from The Stones all the time, some people complain like little children or boring old geezers... The world is changing, if you can't come to terms with it, turn off your computer.

Sure, just lie back and let the world bulldozer over any good taste and authenticity.
If everyone thought like that, the Stones would never have existed. What's more: blues and rock n roll would never have existed.

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Look, the fact that the guys are still making music is of course admirable, but let's be honest for a moment: an 82-year-old in a music video trying to come across as a young rock star is more pathetic than this video with faceswap look-alikes.

I really have no problem with this at all. Nice song, nice video. That's perfectly fine.

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Instead of being happy that we have new content from The Stones all the time, some people complain like little children or boring old geezers... The world is changing, if you can't come to terms with it, turn off your computer.

Sure, just lie back and let the world bulldozer over any good taste and authenticity.
If everyone thought like that, the Stones would never have existed. What's more: blues and rock n roll would never have existed.

then don't listen, don't comment, play Exile... and be happy, and if you can, do better... what a disgrace, what a malcontent

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Are you talking to me? I’m not making excuses for anything – do they even need to be ‘justified’? I’m trying to understand what lies behind this promotional video, beyond this hysterical reaction to the use of AI technology and the misleading journalism about ‘de-aging’. I don’t even like the song that much...

Out of pure interest: why do oyu say the idea of "de-aging" is misleading? I would say that's literally what's happening in the video. What am I missing? (Serious question)

As I understand it, 'de-aging' is what Scorsese did with Robert De Niro in The Irishman - have De Niro act out his parts and then digitally 'de-age' him afterwards. Also in Guardians Of The Galaxy with Kurt Russell.

That isn't what was done here. Someone else acted out the part of Mick, Keith etc, and then they replaced the actors face with a digital mask. This is more like 'deepfaking'.

It is also not AI, as that would have meant the whole thing was created digitally - which it wasn't as there were actors/musicians playing the parts.

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and it was used well before the irishman from 2019

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Instead of being happy that we have new content from The Stones all the time, some people complain like little children or boring old geezers... The world is changing, if you can't come to terms with it, turn off your computer.

Sure, just lie back and let the world bulldozer over any good taste and authenticity.
If everyone thought like that, the Stones would never have existed. What's more: blues and rock n roll would never have existed.

then don't listen, don't comment, play Exile... and be happy, and if you can, do better... what a disgrace, what a malcontent

Look, people have different opinions etc... bla... bla...
But it would be really nice if every time someone doesn't like something the Stones did, other people wouldn't come up with the boring "I guess you only like Exile" nonsense. No, I don't only like Exile. I love Exile. I also love later stuff. I also happen to like Rough And Twisted.

And, as DandelionPowderman already said: the fact that 80 year olds made it, is even more impressive.

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Here is a reaction video by someone named Justin Hawkins that I have not yet seen posted here (I think):

[www.youtube.com]

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I was in a Rolling Stones music video!

[www.youtube.com]

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doitywoik
Here is a reaction video by someone named Justin Hawkins that I have not yet seen posted here (I think):

[www.youtube.com]

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doitywoik
Here is a reaction video by someone named Justin Hawkins that I have not yet seen posted here (I think):

[www.youtube.com]

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doitywoik
Here is a reaction video by someone named Justin Hawkins that I have not yet seen posted here (I think):

[www.youtube.com]

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Here is a reaction video by someone named Justin Hawkins that I have not yet seen posted here (I think):

[www.youtube.com]

Great review. I concur with most of the observations. Was the "face-replace" necessary? No, or maybe not?

Does it matter, change anything including their legacy? Are you kidding? Absolutely not.

I think it was a successful experiment and as long as this isn't the default position on videos moving forward, great use of the technology.

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The Worst.
The formula behind the longevity and long-lasting relevance of The Rolling Stones was perhaps best explained by Charlie in the Four Flicks documentary: “Keith brings emotion, Micks brings direction.” Keith makes sure the band is rooted with integrity, while Mick embraces modernity etc. etc. However, this is a bit different IMO. The Stones turning to disco or reggae is not the same as turning to AI. Some were probably outraged when they heard Miss You or Dance (pt.1). But at least it was real musicians playing real stuff. Thankfully, they are still playing their own stuff, even on ‘In The Stars’ – although it sounds like a generic pop song. ‘Rough and Twisted’ demonstrates real musicianship, it’s just a shame that the mix/mastering is of unfathomable poor, amateurish quality. However, just the thought of using deepfake/AI-technology to make fake, younger faces of the Stones members in a music video for a new single, is problematic for a number of reasons. First and foremost, they embrace and legitimize the use of a technology that is a threat to the very genre and spirit that they have spend about seven decades to build, mount, and defend. Also, I have the impression that most grown ups are fed up with AI already. This could have been a ‘cool’ music video three years ago, but now people are so tired of this stupid AI shit that this video in a strange way is already outdated and not as hip, modern, cool, and controversial as they think it is. And the irony is, if they had presented themselves in this video just as they look now, old in their 80s posing and playing with grey hair and wrinkles, people would have loved it and respected it far more.

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Instead of being happy that we have new content from The Stones all the time, some people complain like little children or boring old geezers... The world is changing, if you can't come to terms with it, turn off your computer.

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The Worst.
The formula behind the longevity and long-lasting relevance of The Rolling Stones was perhaps best explained by Charlie in the Four Flicks documentary: “Keith brings emotion, Micks brings direction.” Keith makes sure the band is rooted with integrity, while Mick embraces modernity etc. etc. However, this is a bit different IMO. The Stones turning to disco or reggae is not the same as turning to AI. Some were probably outraged when they heard Miss You or Dance (pt.1). But at least it was real musicians playing real stuff. Thankfully, they are still playing their own stuff, even on ‘In The Stars’ – although it sounds like a generic pop song. ‘Rough and Twisted’ demonstrates real musicianship, it’s just a shame that the mix/mastering is of unfathomable poor, amateurish quality. However, just the thought of using deepfake/AI-technology to make fake, younger faces of the Stones members in a music video for a new single, is problematic for a number of reasons. First and foremost, they embrace and legitimize the use of a technology that is a threat to the very genre and spirit that they have spend about seven decades to build, mount, and defend. Also, I have the impression that most grown ups are fed up with AI already. This could have been a ‘cool’ music video three years ago, but now people are so tired of this stupid AI shit that this video in a strange way is already outdated and not as hip, modern, cool, and controversial as they think it is. And the irony is, if they had presented themselves in this video just as they look now, old in their 80s posing and playing with grey hair and wrinkles, people would have loved it and respected it far more.

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Instead of being happy that we have new content from The Stones all the time, some people complain like little children or boring old geezers... The world is changing, if you can't come to terms with it, turn off your computer.

Well, without getting into details, let me just say this: I work with education. Teenagers/young people in their 20s do not know how to read and write anymore. And it’s far worse than that. They have simply stopped thinking. They cannot navigate the streets of their own hometown without Google maps. They don’t know how to lace their own shoes without asking SIRI. Every life problem is supposed to be consulted and fixed by ChatGPT. They are the most helpless generation in the history of mankind. This happens simultaneously when we are facing existential threats such as climate change and world war. A driving force behind the stupidity, ignorance, and polarity, are AI, social medias, algorithms etc. That is why some of us are not exactly thrilled when The Rolling Stones (who was born out of the ashes from WW2, being anti-war and anti-authoritarian in their lyrics and expressions, such as encouraging people to think for themselves, and embracing freedom and liberty for decades) suddenly turned to "the dark side." I don’t know what the exact word is – regression, atavism. But fact is, AI is a threat to democracy, harmony, peace, stability, free speech, freedom, creativity, integrity, and rock & roll. I dare say that anyone who disagrees with that, do not understand the potential monster of AI. And that is why some of us are disappointed with our favourite band right now. It is not about being “negative” for the sake of it. It is because AI is truly damaging.

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Instead of being happy that we have new content from The Stones all the time, some people complain like little children or boring old geezers... The world is changing, if you can't come to terms with it, turn off your computer.

Well, without getting into details, let me just say this: I work with education. Teenagers/young people in their 20s do not know how to read and write anymore. And it’s far worse than that. They have simply stopped thinking. They cannot navigate the streets of their own hometown without Google maps. They don’t know how to lace their own shoes without asking SIRI. Every life problem is supposed to be consulted and fixed by ChatGPT. They are the most helpless generation in the history of mankind. This happens simultaneously when we are facing existential threats such as climate change and world war. A driving force behind the stupidity, ignorance, and polarity, are AI, social medias, algorithms etc. That is why some of us are not exactly thrilled when The Rolling Stones (who was born out of the ashes from WW2, being anti-war and anti-authoritarian in their lyrics and expressions, such as encouraging people to think for themselves, and embracing freedom and liberty for decades) suddenly turned to "the dark side." I don’t know what the exact word is – regression, atavism. But fact is, AI is a threat to democracy, harmony, peace, stability, free speech, freedom, creativity, integrity, and rock & roll. I dare say that anyone who disagrees with that, do not understand the potential monster of AI. And that is why some of us are disappointed with our favourite band right now. It is not about being “negative” for the sake of it. It is because AI is truly damaging.

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The Worst.


Well, without getting into details, let me just say this: I work with education. Teenagers/young people in their 20s do not know how to read and write anymore. And it’s far worse than that. They have simply stopped thinking. They cannot navigate the streets of their own hometown without Google maps. They don’t know how to lace their own shoes without asking SIRI. Every life problem is supposed to be consulted and fixed by ChatGPT. They are the most helpless generation in the history of mankind. This happens simultaneously when we are facing existential threats such as climate change and world war. A driving force behind the stupidity, ignorance, and polarity, are AI, social medias, algorithms etc. That is why some of us are not exactly thrilled when The Rolling Stones (who was born out of the ashes from WW2, being anti-war and anti-authoritarian in their lyrics and expressions, such as encouraging people to think for themselves, and embracing freedom and liberty for decades) suddenly turned to "the dark side." I don’t know what the exact word is – regression, atavism. But fact is, AI is a threat to democracy, harmony, peace, stability, free speech, freedom, creativity, integrity, and rock & roll. I dare say that anyone who disagrees with that, do not understand the potential monster of AI. And that is why some of us are disappointed with our favourite band right now. It is not about being “negative” for the sake of it. It is because AI is truly damaging.