Time is running out much faster now than in 2010 and 2020. For The Rolling Stones and iorr.org.

There have been deluxe reissues of:

Exile On Main Street
Some Girls
Sticky Fingers
Goats Head Soup
Tattoo You
Black And Blue

It's apparent "they" are not going beyond 1981 yet time is looming faster. And that record distribution deal ended with UNDERCOVER, of which there is a lot to choose from, leftover wise, just as with SG and ER.

The SG deluxe was and remains disappointing.

So many better songs were skipped.

Considering the 40 plus tracks recorded for ER, of which Neighbors, No Use In Crying, Little T and Hang Fire showed up on TATTOO YOU... and Think I'm Going Mad was a B-side a few years late - it's very strange that they haven't.

The album sold well. Which means Mick would dismiss its success.

Some IORR songs ended up on the TY deluxe.

They, or UMG, have been lax. Only one Stones deluxe reissue,

Goldmine... Goldmine's facts are a bit off.



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If/when they do, I hope 'Everlasting Is My Love' is on it. Regardless of when it was recorded - I think we know by now that songs don't have to have been recorded in the sessions of the parent album for them to be included in the deluxe edition.

Other than the so-called 'diehards', what would the general interest be in an Emotional Rescue 'Deluxe'? Didn't the Black & Blue Deluxe sell appallingly? I'm far from saying that I'm against the idea, but would the Stones corporation be prepared to put in the required effort, if there is limited financial reward?

totally agree

but there running out of albums that are "deluxable" by which i mean ones that are popular enough to justify re-releasing them that way

and is emotional rescue even with it's massive trove of outtakes popular enough to justify putting the money into a project like this?

furthermore what could they put in the super deluxe box as bait?

they could put another 81 show in with it

then again we already have still life, hampton, let's spend the night together, and if you count it the checkerboard lounge plus the two show from 82 that are nearly identical to the shows from 81

are they really gonna release more live material from this era?

maybe if they were professionally recorded keith's concerts for the blind from 1979 but half of those shows are the new barbarians and no songs from emotional rescue are performed

or perhaps something more out there like a remastered video rewind since it technically has some connection to emotional rescue with it having both promo videos from the album

sadly i think iorr is more likely since it contains a bigger hit for them in the form or the title track, a more memorable cover and of course mick taylor

plus they could put a show from the 75 tour into it for the super deluxe like toronto or something

if there willing to release an outtake disc as sparse as we got with black and blue then i don't see why they couldn't put something like that together for iorr

couple all that with a remix of the album that it definitely needs and i think that more likely over emotional rescue

that all being said i wonder if the era of deluxe albums for them is over with black and blue

the article about robert a. johnson's contributions to the black amd blue sessions mentions further material he played on and him saying that he was told that was meant for some kind of compilation and some time ago there were rumors of mick working on a compilation of outtakes from the 90's and possibly the 80's

perhaps with a dwindling supply of albums that can realistically be given the deluxe treatmemt left what they'll do in the future is put together a series of era based compiltations of studio outtakes

hopefully paried with unreleased shows from these various era's as well

The deluxe editions are probably more appealing to them. With a compilation album of outtakes, it's probably a lot of effort and then a case of 'all their eggs in one basket', and the sales probably wouldn't be that great anyway. Whereas with a deluxe edition, they have (unfortunately) shown that they only really need to put 2 or 3 outtakes on along with a few live tracks, alternate takes or 'jams' and they probably have better sales because of the familiarity of the pre-existing material.

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The deluxe editions are probably more appealing to them. With a compilation album of outtakes, it's probably a lot of effort and then a case of 'all their eggs in one basket', and the sales probably wouldn't be that great anyway. Whereas with a deluxe edition, they have (unfortunately) shown that they only really need to put 2 or 3 outtakes on along with a few live tracks, alternate takes or 'jams' and they probably have better sales because of the familiarity of the pre-existing material.

yes what you say makes sense

but they've run out of "familiar" albums to do this with and are essentially down to two maybe one

and then what do they do with the mountains of outtakes leftover?

would a deluxe undercover or voodoo lounge really sell better then a specific decade focused compilation of outtakes?

it's not like they could package and sell these outtakes in thirty years time when most of the hardcore fanbase that would buy something like this would be dead

to gls point it's kinda now or never

if they don't do something with them now they'll just rot in the vaults

plus there are actaully rumors about something like this being worked on behind the scenes

Yes, you are probably right. I would love an outtakes album personally - I was just looking at it from their point of view.

I do think a Voodoo Lounge deluxe could do well though. To my mind, that is as memorable both in terms of music and artwork as say GHS or B&B. But that may just be my age.

Sales of Black and Blue were terrible, barely 1 week in the UK charts and it was the first deluxe edition that didn't enter the US Top 200. If the Stones don't do anything to increase their popularity, sales will get worse and worse since old fans are dying faster than new fans are joining.

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Yes, you are probably right. I would love an outtakes album personally - I was just looking at it from their point of view.

I do think a Voodoo Lounge deluxe could do well though. To my mind, that is as memorable both in terms of music and artwork as say GHS or B&B. But that may just be my age.

i would love a voodoo deluxe too

but i fear it just isn't as liked and familiar as the other albums they've already done

and that to me makes it unlikley to happen since the time money put into putting something like that together would be unlikely to be worth the effort to them

Wouldn’t mind seeing a “decades” type series of unreleases from the 70’s thru first decade of the 2000’s. Assuming the new album comes out this year(Spring??)

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Sales of Black and Blue were terrible, barely 1 week in the UK charts and it was the first deluxe edition that didn't enter the US Top 200. If the Stones don't do anything to increase their popularity, sales will get worse and worse since old fans are dying faster than new fans are joining.

Yes, quite frankly, who apart from die-hard collectors would be interested in a deluxe version of this album, and for what (yet another) disastrous sales result...

Surely all of the VL outtakes are already out there in excellent quality anyway (Brew, Stew, Residue)?

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Surely all of the VL outtakes are already out there in excellent quality anyway (Brew, Stew, Residue)?

But they are often “instrumentals” or vocal click tracks if you will. Mick would have to record a heap of actual vocals to make them interesting I’d reckon. I have all 3 boxes (used to be able to buy bootlegs in Singapore, sadly not the case for just over a decade and I could not believe it when the store I frequented up there (I’m in Perth) had all 3 boxes on the counter one day. Expensive day for me!

And, someone a few posts back mentioned a “mountain of outtakes”. A mountain of doodles is a mountain of doodles. Are there really a mountain of SONGS? Because a considerable amount of those 3 Voodoo boxes are really just doodles, nice doodles, but doodles nevertheless! I don’t play ‘em much nowadays.

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Sales of Black and Blue were terrible, barely 1 week in the UK charts and it was the first deluxe edition that didn't enter the US Top 200. If the Stones don't do anything to increase their popularity, sales will get worse and worse since old fans are dying faster than new fans are joining.

Yes, quite frankly, who apart from die-hard collectors would be interested in a deluxe version of this album, and for what (yet another) disastrous sales result...

Cost could also be a factor as these keep coming. After years of pre-ordering everything, I waited this time. I just ordered the vinyl deluxe in a holiday sale and still haven't gotten the CD deluxe box yet.
I also haven't gotten the new Dylan Bootleg series yet, strictly because of cost and my personal situation.

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Surely all of the VL outtakes are already out there in excellent quality anyway (Brew, Stew, Residue)?

But they are often “instrumentals” or vocal click tracks if you will. Mick would have to record a heap of actual vocals to make them interesting I’d reckon. I have all 3 boxes (used to be able to buy bootlegs in Singapore, sadly not the case for just over a decade and I could not believe it when the store I frequented up there (I’m in Perth) had all 3 boxes on the counter one day. Expensive day for me!

And, someone a few posts back mentioned a “mountain of outtakes”. A mountain of doodles is a mountain of doodles. Are there really a mountain of SONGS? Because a considerable amount of those 3 Voodoo boxes are really just doodles, nice doodles, but doodles nevertheless! I don’t play ‘em much nowadays.

That's a really good point; it's certainly what Mick has felt compelled to do with 'most' of the 'Deluxe Edition' outtakes thus far. Can he be bothered, now? Especially considering the - hopefully - forthcoming promotion for the new album, that'll keep him occupied for a litle while this year.

We need an Emotional Residue release…and it better have the damn poster in miniature as well

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Sales of Black and Blue were terrible, barely 1 week in the UK charts and it was the first deluxe edition that didn't enter the US Top 200. If the Stones don't do anything to increase their popularity, sales will get worse and worse since old fans are dying faster than new fans are joining.

The poor sales were likely due to the error (the missing 'Hot' in Hot Stuff). Sounds silly, but when you think that most people who buy these deluxe editions are the same people who read IORR, The Steve Hoffman Forums, Superdeluxeedition etc, and most will be perfectionists when it comes to their physical collections, I think not fixing that on the physical copies did a lot more damage than even they could have foreseen.

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...and is emotional rescue even with it's massive trove of outtakes popular enough to justify putting the money into a project like this?

sadly i think iorr is more likely since it contains a bigger hit for them in the form or the title track, a more memorable cover and of course mick taylor

BLACK AND BLUE wasn't a big seller in 1976, especially in the UK. Even UNDERCOVER comparatively sold more than EOMS, IORR and BAB!!!

ER, their twelfth most selling album, sold much better than EOMS - 18th, IORR - 22, and BAB - 23, did, and the ER single charted much higher than IORR did.

The EOMS stand alone bonus disc debuted at number 27 and sold 15,000 copies. The reissue debuted at number one in the UK and number two in the US with 76,000 copies sold.

Perhaps because it's EOMS it did well but also they hadn't done anything since 2005 other than the tour doc and the movie/live album. Plundered My Soul probably shocked some people and there was a documentary about the album.

The 2010 super deluxe had DVDs of the new documentary, the Robert Frank documentary and LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Although ER doesn't need a remix the bonus material would certainly be interesting. They recorded over 40 songs, 10 that were on the album, 5 on TATTOO YOU, one B-side, five were released on the SOME GIRLS bonus and two on the TY bonus. There's still some good material that could be released. They could even do what they did with the SG bonus only opposite and include Misty Roads, Rotten Roll, I Love You Too Much, Never Let Her Go and What Gives You The Right from the SG sessions. Hell, why not throw in some leftovers from UNDERCOVER since they're not really into accuracy about the representation of the dedicated album.

There's the 'guitar mix' edit of the title track and the unedited version. Think I'm Going Mad - possibly the only song in history that has "sup a cup of coffee" in it. Dance 3.

A remix of Neighbours that includes the cymbals would be great. This version is a rough mix of the 1981 overdubs for the album. It's obvious more work was done on it.





With no live material to release the focus would be on the bonus material.

Isn't there an extended version of Where the Boys All Go already out there?

This could easily be part of a remaster.

There is also the Dance alternative version.

I do not think it would take much work for them to reissue this album with a few bonus tracks.

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...and is emotional rescue even with it's massive trove of outtakes popular enough to justify putting the money into a project like this?

sadly i think iorr is more likely since it contains a bigger hit for them in the form or the title track, a more memorable cover and of course mick taylor

BLACK AND BLUE wasn't a big seller in 1976, especially in the UK. Even UNDERCOVER comparatively sold more than EOMS, IORR and BAB!!!

ER, their twelfth most selling album, sold much better than EOMS - 18th, IORR - 22, and BAB - 23, did, and the ER single charted much higher than IORR did.

The EOMS stand alone bonus disc debuted at number 27 and sold 15,000 copies. The reissue debuted at number one in the UK and number two in the US with 76,000 copies sold.

Perhaps because it's EOMS it did well but also they hadn't done anything since 2005 other than the tour doc and the movie/live album. Plundered My Soul probably shocked some people and there was a documentary about the album.

The 2010 super deluxe had DVDs of the new documentary, the Robert Frank documentary and LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Although ER doesn't need a remix the bonus material would certainly be interesting. They recorded over 40 songs, 10 that were on the album, 5 on TATTOO YOU, one B-side, five were released on the SOME GIRLS bonus and two on the TY bonus. There's still some good material that could be released. They could even do what they did with the SG bonus only opposite and include Misty Roads, Rotten Roll, I Love You Too Much, Never Let Her Go and What Gives You The Right from the SG sessions. Hell, why not throw in some leftovers from UNDERCOVER since they're not really into accuracy about the representation of the dedicated album.

There's the 'guitar mix' edit of the title track and the unedited version. Think I'm Going Mad - possibly the only song in history that has "sup a cup of coffee" in it. Dance 3.

A remix of Neighbours that includes the cymbals would be great. This version is a rough mix of the 1981 overdubs for the album. It's obvious more work was done on it.





With no live material to release the focus would be on the bonus material.

Could they release the Stones portion of Keith’s Benefit for the Blind show?

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BLACK AND BLUE wasn't a big seller in 1976, especially in the UK. Even UNDERCOVER comparatively sold more than EOMS, IORR and BAB!!!

ER, their twelfth most selling album, sold much better than EOMS - 18th, IORR - 22, and BAB - 23, did, and the ER single charted much higher than IORR did.

These numbers sounded odd to me so I did a quick google research and concluded that they need to be from bestsellingrecords.com. The list there seem to correlate with your standings.

However, the numbers on that site are based mostly on certifications and that makes tricks. For example, if in a certain country a certification for gold record is, say, 100 000 copies, and your record sells 99 999 copies it means it has sold 0 copies. Or if it sells 190 000 copes it has sold 100 000 copies (if your record company is bothered to certify it). But that's not all: these certifications by the criterion and standard vary a lot from time to time, sometimes not even exist. Also the The Stones are infamous for not being active in that front (georgelicks knows more about this).

The results are funny, to say the least. Namely, if we are to believe bestsellingrecords.com The Stones have released, for example, in my country Finland only TWO albums: STEEL WHEELS and FORTY LICKS. That is to say that no single copy was sold there before 1989 - despite, for example, STICKY FINGERS being number one on charts. And I can swear that I thought personally having purchased quite many before STEEL WHEELS... In France the first album released was GOATS HEAD SOUP. That is to say that according to them no single copy from the Big Four has been sold in that market. In Germany the first one to count was - you love this, Skippy - DIRTY WORK! So, for example, SOME GIRLS has sold 0 copies there. In UK most of the 60's albums are not counted, including - for some odd reason - even their first one that was a HUGE hit album at the time and sold almost a million copies (as has been traditionally estimated).

So with this logic they construct their 'over-all sales' lists that make such crazy claims as DIRTY WORK or even BLUE & LONESOME outselling EXILE, etc. That's why they also claim that the Stones have sold only around 85 million albums over-all worldwide. Usually the estimations are something like 200-250 million copies.

This is not to say that EMOTIONAL RESCUE didn't sell well at the time. It did - for example, better than IORR and BLACK AND BLUE - but the sales weren't that impressive after the huge sales of SOME GIRLS. And TATTOO YOU outsold it easily again. So I don't think they (Mick) particularly recall the album as that huge success - it is shadowed by those two big name albums and their extraordinary sales. The single "Emotional Rescue" did very nicely on charts, but I am afraid that it was a kind of flavor of the month thing - it didn't leave outside the hardcore fanbase that big trace as, say, "Miss You", "Beast of Burden" or "Start Me Up" did.

All that said, I don't think they really care so much about these matters these days when their consider deluxe treatments - how many copies the album did sell back in the day or how many memorable songs it has. There needs to be something else - probably being from a cool era and having some good extra stuff, etc. BLACK AND BLUE is an example of that.


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Surely all of the VL outtakes are already out there in excellent quality anyway (Brew, Stew, Residue)?

But they are often “instrumentals” or vocal click tracks if you will. Mick would have to record a heap of actual vocals to make them interesting I’d reckon. I have all 3 boxes (used to be able to buy bootlegs in Singapore, sadly not the case for just over a decade and I could not believe it when the store I frequented up there (I’m in Perth) had all 3 boxes on the counter one day. Expensive day for me!

And, someone a few posts back mentioned a “mountain of outtakes”. A mountain of doodles is a mountain of doodles. Are there really a mountain of SONGS? Because a considerable amount of those 3 Voodoo boxes are really just doodles, nice doodles, but doodles nevertheless! I don’t play ‘em much nowadays.

my mountain of outtakes comment was about the totality of there studio outtakes over 60 years not just voodoo

most of which are yes just jams and doodles but a lot of nearly finished releasable stuff as well

and while what you say is true about the voodoo boxes there's also been a steady stream of more tracks from those sessions popping up here and there some of which are much more developed then just doodles and jams
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i love ladies shows that there are finished tracks that we know nothing about and as extensive as those voodoo boxes are it's possible there's more finished outtakes that didn't end up in them



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"I Need You"

gls to doxa's above point i just feel that iorr is more better remembered then emotional rescue and that it's title track is more dated or "flavor of the month" then iorr's title track even if they both sold well iorr (the song) has aged better

add on top of that it coming between those two bigger albums it just get's overshadowed by there success and i feel is maybe the least remembered and familar album of there's between 1968-1981

iorr also has the history of being mick taylor's last album as a stone and is closer in time to there peak as a popular and relevant band for the mainstream public so there's more recognition by them of it (the very distinct and memorable cover doesn't hurt either)

and i really can't see them doing a super deluxe without live material included

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Other than the so-called 'diehards', what would the general interest be in an Emotional Rescue 'Deluxe'? Didn't the Black & Blue Deluxe sell appallingly? I'm far from saying that I'm against the idea, but would the Stones corporation be prepared to put in the required effort, if there is limited financial reward?

Black and Blue is easily the most disappointing deluxe release by any major band,
and deserved to sell at an appalling level. There, I said it LOL

Emotional Rescue could actually be good by carefully adding stuff that should have been on the SG reissue and by not doing fresh vocals.

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In Germany the first one to count was - you love this, Skippy - DIRTY WORK!

Thanks for the laugh!!!

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gls to doxa's above point i just feel that iorr is more better remembered then emotional rescue and that it's title track is more dated or "flavor of the month" then iorr's title track even if they both sold well iorr (the song) has aged better

They've played IORR on every tour since 1975 except 1978, 1981 or 1982, 2022 and the odd show over various tours; Emotional Rescue for a few shows on a recent tour.

I understand using chart history in the 2020s - an onward forever - means zero - but to the Stones, actually only Mick, it means something. Or it did. He did say if some album in 1989 or 1994 "sold better" he would consider it to be a "great album".

Fans can point to sales yet say they think UNDERCOVER or GHS or, somehow, DW, is/are great/fantastic/etc... while not swayed by album sales.

Considering sales for success, EXILE is a disaster. A gnat in the Stones' history.

Perhaps Mick is in the know with the current aspect of how music, albums and singles, is accounted for ie TikTok and, unfortunately, Spotify, with streams, which are misleading since the first 30 seconds determine if a song has been streamed, to declare something a success since there's very little money involved now.

Look at the Stones' history - singles, then albums, with singles in the mix, and then streams... they've been around long enough to experience and be a part of all of the "consumption" culture to change in the music industry.

Except for touring - no issues there.

Box set deluxes... only UMG is making that money. The Stones were granted that money years ago. So it's really up to UMG to do the deluxe reissues. I doubt anyone feels bad for UMG investing in the Stones and releasing ABCDEFG over the years. As sales continue to dwindle, the dinosaurs continue to insist that it still works.

As pointed out, hard core fans will buy 123 so there's probably a 50,000 count for hard copies the be bought. The people that act like having vinyl and CDs take up space in their house can access, for rent, in general, the deluxe reissues.

Personally, and I don't recall exactly who, MadMike, maybe, can't exactly remember the name, is about owning the release ie having it in your hands, to enjoy. A 3 year old could stream a Stones album: it means nothing. Wallpaper, background noise... streaming has become the gurgle from the fountain.

Regardless of CDs and vinyl making "a comeback" with sales, the majority becomes more and more every day with streaming being what is done.

We're at the very end of the hard copy medium existence. However when one is consumed by looking at the liner notes vs just streaming plus money spent...

That's the double gobble: money spent. A majority are ok with renting the music for x amount per month because it doesn't take up space.

I could say a magnitude of mean shit about people that think that way but I won't: because they refuse to, can't or won't enjoy the art then obviously they're not interested to begin with.

Fan base aging out and/or dying... they're not buying the deluxes, huh. It doesn't work. Yet many artists have box sets released by their label. Maybe some day BRIDGES will sell enough to be a 4 million seller - but that's not the deal anymore.

Maybe Spotify will implode. Regardless, at some point none of it matters anymore.



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Sales of Black and Blue were terrible, barely 1 week in the UK charts and it was the first deluxe edition that didn't enter the US Top 200. If the Stones don't do anything to increase their popularity, sales will get worse and worse since old fans are dying faster than new fans are joining.

This is hardly surprising. The average person has never even heard of Black And Blue. The bonus tracks were throwaways. Not sure what they were thinking with this release.

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Sales of Black and Blue were terrible, barely 1 week in the UK charts and it was the first deluxe edition that didn't enter the US Top 200. If the Stones don't do anything to increase their popularity, sales will get worse and worse since old fans are dying faster than new fans are joining.

The Black and Blue deluxe release should have included El Mocambo – that might have increased sales.
But let's face the fact that neither Black and Blue nor Emotional Rescue are the best, most popular or best know Stones albums (especially not outside the world of diehard fans).
Personally I always thought that Black and Blue is boring and Emotional Rescue widely neglectable)

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Sales of Black and Blue were terrible, barely 1 week in the UK charts and it was the first deluxe edition that didn't enter the US Top 200. If the Stones don't do anything to increase their popularity, sales will get worse and worse since old fans are dying faster than new fans are joining.

It didn't help that the actual deluxe edition was delayed in release until after the two disc edition as well as the MP3s of the deluxe edition. That would have dragged out sales as opposed to everything being released at once.

There's been a lot of commentary on the costs of putting together a deluxe edition. But relatively, I would think time spent at a studio mixing console by a limited number of personnel is a relatively small expense for a release, even with limited sales.