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Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: October 14, 2025 20:49

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Isn’t this thread about the best album after Exile on Main Street? winking smiley

So does the Record Store Day anniversary release of Hot Rocks count? If so, that’s my fave since Exile

Sure, why not? Hope you’ve been doing well. Glad we got to meet at the Bob Dylan show!

Wait, now I’m OT. grinning smiley

Same! Should've remembered to invite you down for Jackson Browne, could show you around.. Anyway, to get back OT: Either Hot Rocks anniversary, or if that don't count I'd say "favorite" ("best" is subjective) since Exile is tie between Black & Blue, and Tattoo You

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: October 15, 2025 00:18

Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: October 15, 2025 13:13

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.

Fully agree with your two cents!

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Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: October 15, 2025 13:56

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.

You make a good point by hearing something in context vs studying it on its own.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: October 16, 2025 01:07

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.
I think Let it Bleed would have been better with Honky Tonk Women.I really don’t like Country Honk version.

You make a good point by hearing something in context vs studying it on its own.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: October 16, 2025 01:45

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.
I think Let it Bleed would have been better with Honky Tonk Women.I really don’t like Country Honk version.

I’m not sure because musically the songs are totally different. Let It Bleed sounds unique because those songs were all transformed live.



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Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: October 16, 2025 02:22

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.

I think Let it Bleed would have been better with Honky Tonk Women. I really don’t like Country Honk version.

You don’t greatly rate Dear Doctor, either. Looks like you are not a big fan of country.
Neither am I. But I can enjoy that genre for what it is.
And country is part of the Stones’ broad musicality, like it or not.
I for one love Country Honk, which I think contributes to the musical diversity of the contents of Let It Bleed.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: October 16, 2025 03:04

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.

I think Let it Bleed would have been better with Honky Tonk Women. I really don’t like Country Honk version.

You don’t greatly rate Dear Doctor, either. Looks like you are not a big fan of country.
Neither am I. But I can enjoy that genre for what it is.
And country is part of the Stones’ broad musicality, like it or not.
I for one love Country Honk, which I think contributes to the musical diversity of the contents of Let It Bleed.
Its more that Honky Tonk Women is one of their greatest performances.Very few of their performances can match it

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: October 16, 2025 04:16

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Its more that Honky Tonk Women is one of their greatest performances.Very few of their performances can match it

Fair enough.

I don’t think I’m a casual fan, but I’m not a diehard, either.
Honky Tonk Women is just another great RS song for me — no more, no less.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: October 16, 2025 08:20

Honky Tonk Women heralds from the time when singles a studio LP’s were viewed as separate entities; it was different in the U.S., of course. I’m glad Honky Tonk Women isn’t on Let It Bleed, as it simply wasn’t intended to be.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: October 16, 2025 08:49

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.
You make a good point by hearing something in context vs studying it on its own.
I I think Let it Bleed would have been better with Honky Tonk Women. I really don't like Country Honk version

But then we would have been deprived of "Honky Tonk Women" as the important single that it was. During a period when both singles and albums had a major role for their career. With their policy at that moment for some time yet of keeping singles apart from album tracks (outside the USA). Apparently with "Country Honk", maybe with the other title, as the original version of the song, quite interesting as such. Because we (or at least I) read at the time that the edited version of "You Can't Always Get You Want" had been prepared for their next single A-side. Then that they had been fooling around with the country version of "Honky Tonk Women" in the studio and had arrived at that guitar sound. Making for another choice of single A-side as a result. (Glad to receive corrections of inaccurate details.)

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: October 16, 2025 08:57

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Honky Tonk Women heralds from the time when singles a studio LP’s were viewed as separate entities; it was different in the U.S., of course. I’m glad Honky Tonk Women isn’t on Let It Bleed, as it simply wasn’t intended to be.

Yet their most brilliant, rocking and pounding single ever opened STICKY FINGERS. The epitome of rock'n'roll. They wouldn't come close until Start Me Up, brilliant in its own way beyond Brown Sugar yet nowhere near Brown Sugar.

No single preceding Brown Sugar define the Stones. HTW is fantastic, it's great, but Brown Sugar absolutely defines The Rolling Stones.

It's past cliché to say EXILE ON MAIN STREET is the "greatest album in rock"... whatever.

STICKY FINGERS is tragic in its beauty, just as LET IT BLEED is. Both albums have rott gutt homages to old blues with Prodigal Son and You Got To Move.

EXILE is tragic in it's loping. Remove Shake You Hips, Sweet Black Angel and I Just Want To See His Face and it's automatically better.

Reduce it to two sides, replacing Shake Your Hips with Turd On The Run; Sweet Black Angel with All Down The Line and IJWTSHF with Shine A Light... and save the others for the next album or a few years later, as they tended to do anyway...

Imagine if they'd decided All Down The Line wasn't right at the time but it was released on TATTOO YOU, making that album 12 songs instead of 11: no one would talk lesser of EOMS or TY: they'd have zero reason to.

I really like 'Til The Next Goodbye, it's beautiful, but for some reason they didn't put Through The Lonely Nights on instead, I know, a GHS leftover, imagine it being on the album instead of Silver Train... and used TTNG as a B-side and could've kept TTLN for the next album or, as we found out, for TY.

Holy crap, if TTLN was on TATTOO YOU's side 2 somehow... It could easily fit just as Tops does, which is absolutely brilliant.

I love GHS ad U but TY is it.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: October 16, 2025 10:46

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.
You make a good point by hearing something in context vs studying it on its own.
I I think Let it Bleed would have been better with Honky Tonk Women. I really don't like Country Honk version

But then we would have been deprived of "Honky Tonk Women" as the important single that it was. During a period when both singles and albums had a major role for their career. With their policy at that moment for some time yet of keeping singles apart from album tracks (outside the USA). Apparently with "Country Honk", maybe with the other title, as the original version of the song, quite interesting as such. Because we (or at least I) read at the time that the edited version of "You Can't Always Get You Want" had been prepared for their next single A-side. Then that they had been fooling around with the country version of "Honky Tonk Women" in the studio and had arrived at that guitar sound. Making for another choice of single A-side as a result. (Glad to receive corrections of inaccurate details.)

And of course, if the singles were on the albums, the likes of Big Hits and Through The Past Darkly wouldn't have the relevance they so deserved. I know these two Decca compilations are rarely mentioned today, but they were essential at the time.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: October 16, 2025 12:41

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STICKY FINGERS is tragic in its beauty, just as LET IT BLEED is. Both albums have rott gutt homages to old blues with Prodigal Son and You Got To Move.

Err…Prodigal Son is included in Beggars Banquet, not Let It Bleed.

BTW, what is “rott gutt”? Slangy way of putting “rotten gut? A non-native English speaker is struggling here.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: October 16, 2025 13:35

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STICKY FINGERS is tragic in its beauty, just as LET IT BLEED is. Both albums have rott gutt homages to old blues with Prodigal Son and You Got To Move.

Err…Prodigal Son is included in Beggars Banquet, not Let It Bleed.

BTW, what is “rott gutt”? Slangy way of putting “rotten gut? A non-native English speaker is struggling here.

Well, even as an Englishman, I struggle, here! 'Gut rot' would make more sense.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Date: October 16, 2025 13:55

LIB had Love In Vain. Dunno if it qualifies as rott gutt, though winking smiley



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Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: October 16, 2025 14:14

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STICKY FINGERS is tragic in its beauty, just as LET IT BLEED is. Both albums have rott gutt homages to old blues with Prodigal Son and You Got To Move.

Err…Prodigal Son is included in Beggars Banquet, not Let It Bleed.

BTW, what is “rott gutt”? Slangy way of putting “rotten gut? A non-native English speaker is struggling here.

Well, even as an Englishman, I struggle, here! 'Gut rot' would make more sense.

Yeah, I sometimes wonder if even native-English speakers are struggling to understand GLS’s writing, what he is trying to say, in part or overall…confused smiley

Giving me an impression of compulsive posting disorder or somethingeye rolling smiley

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Date: October 16, 2025 15:42

I think it means «bad liquor», but I'm pretty sure Skippy can elaborate smiling smiley

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: October 16, 2025 15:55

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Honky Tonk Women heralds from the time when singles a studio LP’s were viewed as separate entities; it was different in the U.S., of course. I’m glad Honky Tonk Women isn’t on Let It Bleed, as it simply wasn’t intended to be.

Yet their most brilliant, rocking and pounding single ever opened STICKY FINGERS. The epitome of rock'n'roll. They wouldn't come close until Start Me Up, brilliant in its own way beyond Brown Sugar yet nowhere near Brown Sugar.

No single preceding Brown Sugar define the Stones. HTW is fantastic, it's great, but Brown Sugar absolutely defines The Rolling Stones.

It's past cliché to say EXILE ON MAIN STREET is the "greatest album in rock"... whatever.

STICKY FINGERS is tragic in its beauty, just as LET IT BLEED is. Both albums have rott gutt homages to old blues with Prodigal Son and You Got To Move.

EXILE is tragic in it's loping. Remove Shake You Hips, Sweet Black Angel and I Just Want To See His Face and it's automatically better.

Reduce it to two sides, replacing Shake Your Hips with Turd On The Run; Sweet Black Angel with All Down The Line and IJWTSHF with Shine A Light... and save the others for the next album or a few years later, as they tended to do anyway...

Imagine if they'd decided All Down The Line wasn't right at the time but it was released on TATTOO YOU, making that album 12 songs instead of 11: no one would talk lesser of EOMS or TY: they'd have zero reason to.

I really like 'Til The Next Goodbye, it's beautiful, but for some reason they didn't put Through The Lonely Nights on instead, I know, a GHS leftover, imagine it being on the album instead of Silver Train... and used TTNG as a B-side and could've kept TTLN for the next album or, as we found out, for TY.

Holy crap, if TTLN was on TATTOO YOU's side 2 somehow... It could easily fit just as Tops does, which is absolutely brilliant.

I love GHS ad U but TY is it.

For me, that single is Jumpin' Jack Flash. THAT was the "new" sound of the Stones and it coincided with Jimmy Miller's production techniques.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: October 16, 2025 16:25

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Honky Tonk Women heralds from the time when singles a studio LP’s were viewed as separate entities; it was different in the U.S., of course. I’m glad Honky Tonk Women isn’t on Let It Bleed, as it simply wasn’t intended to be.

Yet their most brilliant, rocking and pounding single ever opened STICKY FINGERS. The epitome of rock'n'roll. They wouldn't come close until Start Me Up, brilliant in its own way beyond Brown Sugar yet nowhere near Brown Sugar.

No single preceding Brown Sugar define the Stones. HTW is fantastic, it's great, but Brown Sugar absolutely defines The Rolling Stones.

It's past cliché to say EXILE ON MAIN STREET is the "greatest album in rock"... whatever.

STICKY FINGERS is tragic in its beauty, just as LET IT BLEED is. Both albums have rott gutt homages to old blues with Prodigal Son and You Got To Move.

EXILE is tragic in it's loping. Remove Shake You Hips, Sweet Black Angel and I Just Want To See His Face and it's automatically better.

Reduce it to two sides, replacing Shake Your Hips with Turd On The Run; Sweet Black Angel with All Down The Line and IJWTSHF with Shine A Light... and save the others for the next album or a few years later, as they tended to do anyway...

Imagine if they'd decided All Down The Line wasn't right at the time but it was released on TATTOO YOU, making that album 12 songs instead of 11: no one would talk lesser of EOMS or TY: they'd have zero reason to.

I really like 'Til The Next Goodbye, it's beautiful, but for some reason they didn't put Through The Lonely Nights on instead, I know, a GHS leftover, imagine it being on the album instead of Silver Train... and used TTNG as a B-side and could've kept TTLN for the next album or, as we found out, for TY.

Holy crap, if TTLN was on TATTOO YOU's side 2 somehow... It could easily fit just as Tops does, which is absolutely brilliant.

I love GHS ad U but TY is it.

For me, that single is Jumpin' Jack Flash. THAT was the "new" sound of the Stones and it coincided with Jimmy Miller's production techniques.

Agreed! IMO, the classic, most-acclaimed era is the Jumpin' Jack Flash single, through to Exile on Main Street. Although the 'Big Four' aspect is definitely true, Jumpin' Jack Flash should always receive it's recognition as the 'beginning' of that wonderful era of studio work.

Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: October 16, 2025 21:31

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.
You make a good point by hearing something in context vs studying it on its own.
I I think Let it Bleed would have been better with Honky Tonk Women. I really don't like Country Honk version

But then we would have been deprived of "Honky Tonk Women" as the important single that it was. During a period when both singles and albums had a major role for their career. With their policy at that moment for some time yet of keeping singles apart from album tracks (outside the USA). Apparently with "Country Honk", maybe with the other title, as the original version of the song, quite interesting as such. Because we (or at least I) read at the time that the edited version of "You Can't Always Get You Want" had been prepared for their next single A-side. Then that they had been fooling around with the country version of "Honky Tonk Women" in the studio and had arrived at that guitar sound. Making for another choice of single A-side as a result. (Glad to receive corrections of inaccurate details.)
. But You Can’t Always Get What You Want was on Let it Bleed, even though it was the B side single? So why couldn’t Honky Tonk Women also have been on Let it Bleed , and held off Through the Past Darkly? Whereas Jumping Jack Flash and Child of the Moon were not on Beggars Banquet



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Re: Best Rolling Stones album since Exile
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: October 16, 2025 22:08

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Sorry for another deviation from the topic — regarding the inclusion of Country Honk in the Let It Bleed album;

When I first heard it, my reaction was, “Wow, this is COOL!”
For a naive teenager who only knew Honky Tonk Women as that hit tune, the very notion or existence of an ‘alternative version’ was a surprise, an eye-opener and a revelation. Every track on LIB is cool, and Country Honk is no less than the others. For me, that track is indispensable part of the album, and I can’t imagine LIB without Country Honk. It certainly enhances the mystic surrounding this magnum opus of an album IMHO.

My two cents.
You make a good point by hearing something in context vs studying it on its own.
I I think Let it Bleed would have been better with Honky Tonk Women. I really don't like Country Honk version

But then we would have been deprived of "Honky Tonk Women" as the important single that it was. During a period when both singles and albums had a major role for their career. With their policy at that moment for some time yet of keeping singles apart from album tracks (outside the USA). Apparently with "Country Honk", maybe with the other title, as the original version of the song, quite interesting as such. Because we (or at least I) read at the time that the edited version of "You Can't Always Get You Want" had been prepared for their next single A-side. Then that they had been fooling around with the country version of "Honky Tonk Women" in the studio and had arrived at that guitar sound. Making for another choice of single A-side as a result. (Glad to receive corrections of inaccurate details.)
. But You Can’t Always Get What You Want was on Let it Bleed, even though it was the B side single? So why couldn’t Honky Tonk Women also have been on Let it Bleed , and held off Through the Past Darkly? Whereas Jumping Jack Flash and Child of the Moon were not on Beggars Banquet

"You Can't Always Get What You Want" was represented on a B-side by a shorter edit. That is one or rather two differences to "Honky Tonk Women" as to the policy the band seemed to follow at that stage. Somehow I wonder what would have happened to the complete version of "You Can't Always Get What You Want" in case the band had released the shorter edit as a single A -side.

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