I watched an old film a couple of weeks back - A long hot summer (1958) with Paul Newman- it caught my eye in the TV mag as, of course, the title is also a line in the song Winter by the Stones.

Anyway, at one point, Eula Varner, played by Joanne Woodward also says "seems like 100 years ago" during a conversation with Minnie Littlejohn, played by Lee Remick, as they discuss the changes in Frenchman's Bend and the arrival of Ben Quick.
Then towards the end Will Varner, played by Orson Welles, says "Wild horses couldn't drag me off this porch". The line is spoken in reference to his feeling of being firmly rooted in his position and his town.

Methinks....hmmmm, interesting ....



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The movie was actually based on a book written by William Faulkner, just for the record.

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Mick may also have found inspiration in The Misfits

Well he was definitely inspired by Lucille Bogan

Shave ‘em Dry (“dead man come”)

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Shave ‘em Dry (“dead man come”)

whoaaa.... ....seems some of it made it to Some girls too....."I @#$%& all night and the night before and want to @#$%& some more....

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I watched an old film a couple of weeks back - A long hot summer (1958) with Paul Newman- it caught my eye in the TV mag as, of course, the title is also a line in the song Winter by the Stones.

Anyway, at one point, Eula Varner, played by Joanne Woodward also says "seems like 100 years ago" during a conversation with Minnie Littlejohn, played by Lee Remick, as they discuss the changes in Frenchman's Bend and the arrival of Ben Quick.
Then towards the end Will Varner, played by Orson Welles, says "Wild horses couldn't drag me off this porch". The line is spoken in reference to his feeling of being firmly rooted in his position and his town.

Methinks....hmmmm, interesting ....

But aren't these phrases fairly standard English phrases you would encounter in books, papers, magazines and in small talk?

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I watched an old film a couple of weeks back - A long hot summer (1958) with Paul Newman- it caught my eye in the TV mag as, of course, the title is also a line in the song Winter by the Stones.

Anyway, at one point, Eula Varner, played by Joanne Woodward also says "seems like 100 years ago" during a conversation with Minnie Littlejohn, played by Lee Remick, as they discuss the changes in Frenchman's Bend and the arrival of Ben Quick.
Then towards the end Will Varner, played by Orson Welles, says "Wild horses couldn't drag me off this porch". The line is spoken in reference to his feeling of being firmly rooted in his position and his town.

Methinks....hmmmm, interesting ....

But aren't these phrases fairly standard English phrases you would encounter in books, papers, magazines and in small talk?

Mathijs

A long hot summer?.....maybe but I don't think I've ever heard "seems like 100 years ago" or "Wild horses couldn't drag me" outside of this film or the Stones' songs....(and I'm 65) .... so I wouldn't know about 'standard'...

I've heard (and said) "when you get that timeless feeling" a few times...and "I wouldn't do it (or move my position) for a million quid"........

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I watched an old film a couple of weeks back - A long hot summer (1958) with Paul Newman- it caught my eye in the TV mag as, of course, the title is also a line in the song Winter by the Stones.

Anyway, at one point, Eula Varner, played by Joanne Woodward also says "seems like 100 years ago" during a conversation with Minnie Littlejohn, played by Lee Remick, as they discuss the changes in Frenchman's Bend and the arrival of Ben Quick.
Then towards the end Will Varner, played by Orson Welles, says "Wild horses couldn't drag me off this porch". The line is spoken in reference to his feeling of being firmly rooted in his position and his town.

Methinks....hmmmm, interesting ....

But aren't these phrases fairly standard English phrases you would encounter in books, papers, magazines and in small talk?

Mathijs

A long hot summer?.....maybe but I don't think I've ever heard "seems like 100 years ago" or "Wild horses couldn't drag me" outside of this film or the Stones' songs....(and I'm 65) .... so I wouldn't know about 'standard'...

I've heard (and said) "when you get that timeless feeling" a few times...and "I wouldn't do it (or move my position) for a million quid"........

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In Dutch we have a saying that translates directly to 'it's like a hundred years ago', I guess that would be an English phrase as well.

Mathijs

"Wild horses couldn't drag me away" is common enough outside of a Rolling Stones context - and in any case, wasn't it Keith who came up with that title (though Mick wrote much of the actual song)?

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"Wild horses couldn't drag me away" is common enough outside of a Rolling Stones context - and in any case, wasn't it Keith who came up with that title (though Mick wrote much of the actual song)?

That's also my understanding.

And yes, these are fairly common English phrases, maybe not spoken as much now but 50 years ago, for sure. In fact seems like a 100 years ago.

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I watched an old film a couple of weeks back - A long hot summer (1958) with Paul Newman- it caught my eye in the TV mag as, of course, the title is also a line in the song Winter by the Stones.

Anyway, at one point, Eula Varner, played by Joanne Woodward also says "seems like 100 years ago" during a conversation with Minnie Littlejohn, played by Lee Remick, as they discuss the changes in Frenchman's Bend and the arrival of Ben Quick.
Then towards the end Will Varner, played by Orson Welles, says "Wild horses couldn't drag me off this porch". The line is spoken in reference to his feeling of being firmly rooted in his position and his town.

Methinks....hmmmm, interesting ....

But aren't these phrases fairly standard English phrases you would encounter in books, papers, magazines and in small talk?

Mathijs

A long hot summer?.....maybe but I don't think I've ever heard "seems like 100 years ago" or "Wild horses couldn't drag me" outside of this film or the Stones' songs....(and I'm 65) .... so I wouldn't know about 'standard'...

I've heard (and said) "when you get that timeless feeling" a few times...and "I wouldn't do it (or move my position) for a million quid"........

[dictionary.cambridge.org]

In Dutch we have a saying that translates directly to 'it's like a hundred years ago', I guess that would be an English phrase as well.

Mathijs

That's fair enough but as for English, as I say, I've never heard it or 'Wild horses wouldn't drag me' in 60 odd years......

Although, unlesss the script writer came up with them, especially 100 years ago - he/she must have heard them somewhere around in their daily life before the film, so......I haven't said they were unheard elsewhere (except by me) but wondered if Mick picked them up from the film as all three phrases were in the same film and later Stones lines.



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"Wild horses couldn't drag me away" is common enough outside of a Rolling Stones context - and in any case, wasn't it Keith who came up with that title (though Mick wrote much of the actual song)?

That's also my understanding.

And yes, these are fairly common English phrases, maybe not spoken as much now but 50 years ago, for sure. In fact seems like a 100 years ago.

According to Steve Appleford (It's IORR - the stories behind every song) Keith wrote the first version of Wild horses as he prepared to leave Marlon to go on tour in 1969.
Keith 'showed' Mick the song and Mick completely rewrote it except he kept the line "wild horses couldn't drag me away....so, maybe it was keith watching 'Long hot summer' on a black and white TV in 1958 on a cold , rainy night in Dartford....or, maybe not.



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I watched an old film a couple of weeks back - A long hot summer (1958) with Paul Newman- it caught my eye in the TV mag as, of course, the title is also a line in the song Winter by the Stones.

Anyway, at one point, Eula Varner, played by Joanne Woodward also says "seems like 100 years ago" during a conversation with Minnie Littlejohn, played by Lee Remick, as they discuss the changes in Frenchman's Bend and the arrival of Ben Quick.
Then towards the end Will Varner, played by Orson Welles, says "Wild horses couldn't drag me off this porch". The line is spoken in reference to his feeling of being firmly rooted in his position and his town.

Methinks....hmmmm, interesting ....

But aren't these phrases fairly standard English phrases you would encounter in books, papers, magazines and in small talk?

Mathijs

A long hot summer?.....maybe but I don't think I've ever heard "seems like 100 years ago" or "Wild horses couldn't drag me" outside of this film or the Stones' songs....(and I'm 65) .... so I wouldn't know about 'standard'...

I've heard (and said) "when you get that timeless feeling" a few times...and "I wouldn't do it (or move my position) for a million quid"........

[dictionary.cambridge.org]

In Dutch we have a saying that translates directly to 'it's like a hundred years ago', I guess that would be an English phrase as well.

Mathijs

Same saying in German. In German we also have the horses, albeit not wild ones but 10 of them ("Keine 10 Pferde ...").

I remember reading a long time ago that Keith said he was influenced by the beginning of The Twilight Zone when he wrote Gimme Shelter.

Certainly, there are millions of tiny stories, which influenced songwriting by Mick and Keith. That may also be true for many many other artists.
Every artist needs inspiration. Stories, images, experiences, books, films, travel, ...

It's a well-known story that Sympathy For The Devil was inspired by Michael Bulgakow's book "The Master & Margarita". Additionally, Marianne Faithful had a huge influence on Mick's lyrics.



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