I think an obvious reason for them prolonging songs theses days is to have Mick sing less. The more the saves his voice the more he stays in great shape throughout the whole tour. You can see this happen with the new songs like Angry, Mess It Up, where you have really long intros and of course if they would play 22 songs instead of 19, Mick has to just do more singing. For example in JJF, he sings for 2 mins and then the song goes on for another 4 mins with him not having lines left to sing but just deciding to sing if he's feeling good about it.
And Steve doing long intros of Angry and Mess It Up or Get Off Of my cloud on the last tour was also a way of having the older core band play a bit less, a few tiny breaks here and there.

I'd prefer all greatest hits to be cut short (like Springsteen does on his recent tours). 3-4 minutes of JJF, Satisfaction, etc. are enough

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I think Audience Participation should come from the audience itself. Saint of Me during the Bridges tour is a nice example.

I agree with most of the above. Stretching songslike Satisfaction or JJF doesn't really do these songs any good. I rather see them do an extra song instead.

The novelty of the Otis Redding version of Satisfaction for me, has far outstayed it's welcome. The Otis Redding version is great, done by Otis Redding.

The version of Satisfaction they originally recorded, should they tried it at that speed, that nuanced performance between the verses and chorus, THAT would be appreciated.

Sort of like when Mick did IORR on SNL with Foo Fighters a decade or so ago...they played it like it was 1974 and it was awesome. Some songs don't need reinterpretation, they got it right the first time.

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Not Fade Away on the VL. I thought it was great.

Yes, and what a wonderful surprise too.

I think it was a bit too slow for a show opener. What I remember the most at the beginning of the show was the heat from the fire blowing from the snake. I was up towards the front on the floor. Not as hot as the row of flames at the beginning of Start Me Up in 89 though. I was lucky to be row 2 center for that.

Just watched the film of Not Fade Away from 1994...FANTASTIC opener.

I thought it was a bold pick and they knocked it out of the park.

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I think an obvious reason for them prolonging songs theses days is to have Mick sing less. The more the saves his voice the more he stays in great shape throughout the whole tour. You can see this happen with the new songs like Angry, Mess It Up, where you have really long intros and of course if they would play 22 songs instead of 19, Mick has to just do more singing. For example in JJF, he sings for 2 mins and then the song goes on for another 4 mins with him not having lines left to sing but just deciding to sing if he's feeling good about it.
And Steve doing long intros of Angry and Mess It Up or Get Off Of my cloud on the last tour was also a way of having the older core band play a bit less, a few tiny breaks here and there.

WTF do you know anything about 1989-90?

That's how long - even prior, actually, songs have been "prolonged". JJF and quite a few others have't really changed.

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I think an obvious reason for them prolonging songs theses days is to have Mick sing less. The more the saves his voice the more he stays in great shape throughout the whole tour. You can see this happen with the new songs like Angry, Mess It Up, where you have really long intros and of course if they would play 22 songs instead of 19, Mick has to just do more singing. For example in JJF, he sings for 2 mins and then the song goes on for another 4 mins with him not having lines left to sing but just deciding to sing if he's feeling good about it.
And Steve doing long intros of Angry and Mess It Up or Get Off Of my cloud on the last tour was also a way of having the older core band play a bit less, a few tiny breaks here and there.

WTF do you know anything about 1989-90?

That's how long - even prior, actually, songs have been "prolonged". JJF and quite a few others have't really changed.

Yeah, I have to agree. Interesting theory but doesn't really bear out.

What they do though, is have the 5 day break between shows. That and Mick is really disciplined about how he approaches the vocals. There is restraint, which one can criticize but ensures he can consistently deliver.

It's a microcosm of "Vegas Stones", which is also criticized, but I'd argue is the only reason why you still could possibly have the band touring at this age.

That professionalism and discipline is all Mick and he takes the flack, but everyone benefits as a result.

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I think an obvious reason for them prolonging songs theses days is to have Mick sing less. The more the saves his voice the more he stays in great shape throughout the whole tour. You can see this happen with the new songs like Angry, Mess It Up, where you have really long intros and of course if they would play 22 songs instead of 19, Mick has to just do more singing. For example in JJF, he sings for 2 mins and then the song goes on for another 4 mins with him not having lines left to sing but just deciding to sing if he's feeling good about it.
And Steve doing long intros of Angry and Mess It Up or Get Off Of my cloud on the last tour was also a way of having the older core band play a bit less, a few tiny breaks here and there.

WTF do you know anything about 1989-90?

That's how long - even prior, actually, songs have been "prolonged". JJF and quite a few others have't really changed.

Yeah, I have to agree. Interesting theory but doesn't really bear out.

What they do though, is have the 5 day break between shows. That and Mick is really disciplined about how he approaches the vocals. There is restraint, which one can criticize but ensures he can consistently deliver.

It's a microcosm of "Vegas Stones", which is also criticized, but I'd argue is the only reason why you still could possibly have the band touring at this age.

That professionalism and discipline is all Mick and he takes the flack, but everyone benefits as a result.

I'm not sure how I benefit from this. I check my mailbox almost daily and nada...

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Hi All,

I am curious about your opinion regarding the appointment subject.
There have been several threads before about the best tour of the Stones. But I want to address this now from a different perspective.
In this regard, I am not only looking at the setlist but especially at the way certain songs are unnecessarily prolonged. Such as; Miss you, Brown sugar, Jumping Jack flash, and Satisfaction.
Personally, I am not a fan of this, in what I refer to as "audience participation time".
I am curious how you look at this as Stones fans. Does this affect your choice for 'best Stones tour', aside from your opinion regarding the setlist, and the quality of precise or sloppy playing.

Satisfaction was great up to a point, but the extended bit has been boring for 30 years now, however I've never tired of the extended JJF and also loved the extended BS right up until they stopped playing it.

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However I do like what Keith has called songs performed live "Growing up". Things change over the years and minor changes in the arraingments can turn something old into something different. Sometimes better sometimes worse. But it gives us variety

I'm not so sure about that. Songs like JJ Flash, Satisfaction and Brown Sugar sound about the same every time. The only difference is the length of the songs.
Otherwise I can't hear any big variation between live version 879 or live version 1023 of JJ Flash for instance. It's basically the same riff over and over...

If you listen to JJF from Ya Ya's and you listen to JJF from Love you Live they sound like different versions of the same song. It not not just the length of the song but the tempo and slightly different guitar and drums.

I like the extended live versions of JJF too.

Maybe there're enough variations in the playing of the riffs there, or maybe I just like the riff.

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I can go the rest of my life never seeing Miss You again
1975 and 1981 Were monster tours loaded with prolonged songs and they're two of the best tours for me...

With you all the way here.

I like extended JJF and Satisfaction. It’s the riff and little things Keith has done throughout the years to make it just slightly different at times. I could listen to JJF riff over and over especially with that growling guitar live. Dice is another, I like the participation.

I’m out on extended Miss You or YCAGWYW. Just think it gets tiring.

The end of Street Fighting Man has been a great jam.

Look at Brussels for example.

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I think an obvious reason for them prolonging songs theses days is to have Mick sing less. The more the saves his voice the more he stays in great shape throughout the whole tour. You can see this happen with the new songs like Angry, Mess It Up, where you have really long intros and of course if they would play 22 songs instead of 19, Mick has to just do more singing. For example in JJF, he sings for 2 mins and then the song goes on for another 4 mins with him not having lines left to sing but just deciding to sing if he's feeling good about it.
And Steve doing long intros of Angry and Mess It Up or Get Off Of my cloud on the last tour was also a way of having the older core band play a bit less, a few tiny breaks here and there.

WTF do you know anything about 1989-90?

That's how long - even prior, actually, songs have been "prolonged". JJF and quite a few others have't really changed.

Yeah, I have to agree. Interesting theory but doesn't really bear out.

What they do though, is have the 5 day break between shows. That and Mick is really disciplined about how he approaches the vocals. There is restraint, which one can criticize but ensures he can consistently deliver.

It's a microcosm of "Vegas Stones", which is also criticized, but I'd argue is the only reason why you still could possibly have the band touring at this age.

That professionalism and discipline is all Mick and he takes the flack, but everyone benefits as a result.

I'm not sure how I benefit from this. I check my mailbox almost daily and nada...

You're payouts are digital. Check your email for the etransferl; password is StonesTod

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I think an obvious reason for them prolonging songs theses days is to have Mick sing less. The more the saves his voice the more he stays in great shape throughout the whole tour. You can see this happen with the new songs like Angry, Mess It Up, where you have really long intros and of course if they would play 22 songs instead of 19, Mick has to just do more singing. For example in JJF, he sings for 2 mins and then the song goes on for another 4 mins with him not having lines left to sing but just deciding to sing if he's feeling good about it.
And Steve doing long intros of Angry and Mess It Up or Get Off Of my cloud on the last tour was also a way of having the older core band play a bit less, a few tiny breaks here and there.

WTF do you know anything about 1989-90?

That's how long - even prior, actually, songs have been "prolonged". JJF and quite a few others have't really changed.

Yeah, I have to agree. Interesting theory but doesn't really bear out.

What they do though, is have the 5 day break between shows. That and Mick is really disciplined about how he approaches the vocals. There is restraint, which one can criticize but ensures he can consistently deliver.

It's a microcosm of "Vegas Stones", which is also criticized, but I'd argue is the only reason why you still could possibly have the band touring at this age.

That professionalism and discipline is all Mick and he takes the flack, but everyone benefits as a result.

I'm not sure how I benefit from this. I check my mailbox almost daily and nada...

You're payouts are digital. Check your email for the etransferl; password is StonesTod

Dang, I’ve been using skipstone…

Thanks for the tip

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I think an obvious reason for them prolonging songs theses days is to have Mick sing less. The more the saves his voice the more he stays in great shape throughout the whole tour. You can see this happen with the new songs like Angry, Mess It Up, where you have really long intros and of course if they would play 22 songs instead of 19, Mick has to just do more singing. For example in JJF, he sings for 2 mins and then the song goes on for another 4 mins with him not having lines left to sing but just deciding to sing if he's feeling good about it.
And Steve doing long intros of Angry and Mess It Up or Get Off Of my cloud on the last tour was also a way of having the older core band play a bit less, a few tiny breaks here and there.

WTF do you know anything about 1989-90?

That's how long - even prior, actually, songs have been "prolonged". JJF and quite a few others have't really changed.

Yeah, I have to agree. Interesting theory but doesn't really bear out.

What they do though, is have the 5 day break between shows. That and Mick is really disciplined about how he approaches the vocals. There is restraint, which one can criticize but ensures he can consistently deliver.

It's a microcosm of "Vegas Stones", which is also criticized, but I'd argue is the only reason why you still could possibly have the band touring at this age.

That professionalism and discipline is all Mick and he takes the flack, but everyone benefits as a result.

You missed the key point: 1989/90.

It completely bears out. It even tigers out: a couple of songs go on for 6-8 minutes, above their album time: PISS BREAK.

So they stopped playing Brown Sugar. So what. Plenty of other songs to stretch.

Which they have done. JJF is the most recent elongater.

Street Fighting Man in 2017 with the extended outros was sublime, among the very best versions of the song.

I can listen to a five or six minute JFF from 2005 onward and never get bored. Keith hammering out the riff never gets old for me.

When Keith is on, JJF and SFM can last forever. Keith slammin' out those riffs on that tele turned up loud is to me the the highlight of any Stones show.

Same goes with Rambler and Out of Control, if Keith (and the band) is locked in, they can groove and jam as long as they want.

I don't mind Miss You, the crowd seems to like it and it gives Mick some room to please the crowd on the catwalk. (However it's not the same without Bobby Keys on sax. The new jazzfusion sax solo just doesn't work, and Matt Clifford's synth harp is also something that annoys me a bit.) It's a crime that they skipped Rambler for Miss You sometimes on the last tour though. Rambler should always be in the set.

YCAGWYW I find very long and very boring these days. Can't wait for it to finish.

On live recording I sometimes feel song are getting too long. But being at a Stones show in the pit - I honestly never said: Boy, that song or concert was too long.

I like very much the long extended outros of " It's only rock'roll " 1976 from the live album "Love you live " great Keith....!

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I think an obvious reason for them prolonging songs theses days is to have Mick sing less. The more the saves his voice the more he stays in great shape throughout the whole tour. You can see this happen with the new songs like Angry, Mess It Up, where you have really long intros and of course if they would play 22 songs instead of 19, Mick has to just do more singing. For example in JJF, he sings for 2 mins and then the song goes on for another 4 mins with him not having lines left to sing but just deciding to sing if he's feeling good about it.
And Steve doing long intros of Angry and Mess It Up or Get Off Of my cloud on the last tour was also a way of having the older core band play a bit less, a few tiny breaks here and there.

WTF do you know anything about 1989-90?

That's how long - even prior, actually, songs have been "prolonged". JJF and quite a few others have't really changed.

Yeah, I have to agree. Interesting theory but doesn't really bear out.

What they do though, is have the 5 day break between shows. That and Mick is really disciplined about how he approaches the vocals. There is restraint, which one can criticize but ensures he can consistently deliver.

It's a microcosm of "Vegas Stones", which is also criticized, but I'd argue is the only reason why you still could possibly have the band touring at this age.

That professionalism and discipline is all Mick and he takes the flack, but everyone benefits as a result.

You missed the key point: 1989/90.

It completely bears out. It even tigers out: a couple of songs go on for 6-8 minutes, above their album time: PISS BREAK.

So they stopped playing Brown Sugar. So what. Plenty of other songs to stretch.

Which they have done. JJF is the most recent elongater.

Yeah I didn't miss that - I thought you covered that and made your point, I pivoted to the other ways I thought Mick was saving his voice which did not include elongating songs so he could sing fewer words. It was a nice theory that did not bear out under scrutiny which you gave the perfect example of.

10 min version of Stoned
would be a voice saver for Mick ..........



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Charlie didn't seem thrilled about the extended outro to All Down The Line at the Beacon

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10 min version of Stoned
would be a voice saver for Mick ..........

You'd think so, but to sing it Stoned, he'd have to smoke a pretty big reefer and that wreaks havoc with your voice, so...

...................my wife and I couldn't stand Mick extending YCAGWYW, mainly because Mick sped it up, which we thought ruined it.

"Satisfaction" as the last song, is obviously used because of its "historical value", and it is great as a "call and response" song.

However, "Get Off My Cloud" would also works for the same reason! (plus it has a cold ending).

I still say they should bring back Brown Sugar as the closer.

Bernard could knock out the lyric STONED and
Mick could hit the laughin' gas for the outta my mind .... where am i at bit ....

The 10 minutes would just fly-by ....


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Bernard could knock out the lyric STONED and
Mick could hit the laughin' gas for the outta my mind .... where am i at bit ....

The 10 minutes would just fly-by ....


As ya know treacle ..... I'm always here ta help ....

True, so true. I've always known this about you.

You're IORRs Florence Nightingale.

Yes treacle .... I carry the lantern high .....



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