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Why would anyone complain about a new album they haven’t heard.

Because:

It's not in the top 10 streaming of Shitify

It's not on SIRUIS/XM

It sounds a lot like Angry

It sounds a lot like Start Me Up

It sounds like - oops - it sounds as zero people know

Why would people complain about a new album they haven't heard?

Because it's there (and if it is, whoopee!) and this is IORR: it's what we do. Nice to have something new to complain about.

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Every Rolling Stones album has at least 3/4 songs that I really like, so i'm always looking forward to a new album. Even if it more like Dirty Work than Sticky Fingers.

Leftover is a derogatory term in my opinion. Maybe they just don't wanted two bluessongs or two country tunes on Hackney Diamonds, so they left the other ones on the shelf.

Also, it's been 27 months since Hackney Diamonds was finished. I can't imagine they haven't written any new songs in the meantime.

or there something so out there and different that they couldn't figure out how to make it work with the other songs on hd

that's what i'm hoping for one more significant stylistic change from this band (like tsmr or beggars or some girls or undercover was)

as much as i like hackney diamonds and as much as i acknowledge that it has it's own sound

it's also not in my view a significant departure from the kinda music they made 40 years ago it just has a more modern sounding production

i'd like to hear them take a chance and experiment with new types of music and sounds

i want something that will shock, surprise and challenge me as a listener and fan

something very different but still distinctly stonsey

maybe i'm asking to much of them at this point in time and i'll like it even if it's something more familiar but mick's comment about the leftovers being different has allowed me to hope that they'll really suprise and challenge us one more time

While I don't disagree with anything you've said here, or don't also wish the same as you, isn't it interesting to step back and take a look at what that actually means.

That we as fans and our expectations are still so high, given how much time has passed and their advanced age.

Were there any Sinatra fans...ANY...that were demanding his new material "surprise and challenge" them as listeners? It's laughable. I recall the couple of duets albums that came out at the end of the 90s and it was like a revelation in the music world. "DUETS...so cool". Stones put out a live album with a few duets and are derided.

And here we are, with Mick and Keith the same age as Sinatra when he passed, 82, and they're STILL putting out new albums, with new material and still perpetually on tour...fascinating.

Yet collectively we as fans cannot get enough...no satisfaction.

i'm just to be clear not demanding they surprise and challenge me just hoping

oddly i wouldn't have allowed myself to think they could do this five years ago

but here we are after mick and keith turned 80 and released an album the quality of hd and then somehow managed a tour as good as the one last year i think it's probably wise at this point not to underestimate them as artist and what there still capable of

i don't think we're getting an exile level album but we maybe getting something very special anyways

and i'm not gonna be disappointed or anything if they don't end up reinventing the wheel

but it's fun to think they still could

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May be they work on Exile II … Hackney Diamonds is great, even better live, but with an extra effort, the next one could be even greater.

hear hear!

that's the spirit

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Every Rolling Stones album has at least 3/4 songs that I really like, so i'm always looking forward to a new album. Even if it more like Dirty Work than Sticky Fingers.

Leftover is a derogatory term in my opinion. Maybe they just don't wanted two bluessongs or two country tunes on Hackney Diamonds, so they left the other ones on the shelf.

Also, it's been 27 months since Hackney Diamonds was finished. I can't imagine they haven't written any new songs in the meantime.

or there something so out there and different that they couldn't figure out how to make it work with the other songs on hd

that's what i'm hoping for one more significant stylistic change from this band (like tsmr or beggars or some girls or undercover was)

as much as i like hackney diamonds and as much as i acknowledge that it has it's own sound

it's also not in my view a significant departure from the kinda music they made 40 years ago it just has a more modern sounding production

i'd like to hear them take a chance and experiment with new types of music and sounds

i want something that will shock, surprise and challenge me as a listener and fan

something very different but still distinctly stonsey

maybe i'm asking to much of them at this point in time and i'll like it even if it's something more familiar but mick's comment about the leftovers being different has allowed me to hope that they'll really suprise and challenge us one more time

While I don't disagree with anything you've said here, or don't also wish the same as you, isn't it interesting to step back and take a look at what that actually means.

That we as fans and our expectations are still so high, given how much time has passed and their advanced age.

Were there any Sinatra fans...ANY...that were demanding his new material "surprise and challenge" them as listeners? It's laughable. I recall the couple of duets albums that came out at the end of the 90s and it was like a revelation in the music world. "DUETS...so cool". Stones put out a live album with a few duets and are derided.

And here we are, with Mick and Keith the same age as Sinatra when he passed, 82, and they're STILL putting out new albums, with new material and still perpetually on tour...fascinating.

Yet collectively we as fans cannot get enough...no satisfaction.

i'm just to be clear not demanding they surprise and challenge me just hoping

oddly i wouldn't have allowed myself to think they could do this five years ago

but here we are after mick and keith turned 80 and released an album the quality of hd and then somehow managed a tour as good as the one last year i think it's probably wise at this point not to underestimate them as artist and what there still capable of

i don't think we're getting an exile level album but we maybe getting something very special anyways

and i'm not gonna be disappointed or anything if they don't end up reinventing the wheel

but it's fun to think they still could

And just so I'm clear, I didn't think that, but rather was reflecting on the fact that at this point we even dare to dream that, and that isn't even a far stretch.

Rather fantastic in my humble opinion...(I don't ascribe to those you articulate their "not-so-humble-opinions").

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Every Rolling Stones album has at least 3/4 songs that I really like, so i'm always looking forward to a new album. Even if it more like Dirty Work than Sticky Fingers.

Leftover is a derogatory term in my opinion. Maybe they just don't wanted two bluessongs or two country tunes on Hackney Diamonds, so they left the other ones on the shelf.

Also, it's been 27 months since Hackney Diamonds was finished. I can't imagine they haven't written any new songs in the meantime.

or there something so out there and different that they couldn't figure out how to make it work with the other songs on hd

that's what i'm hoping for one more significant stylistic change from this band (like tsmr or beggars or some girls or undercover was)

as much as i like hackney diamonds and as much as i acknowledge that it has it's own sound

it's also not in my view a significant departure from the kinda music they made 40 years ago it just has a more modern sounding production

i'd like to hear them take a chance and experiment with new types of music and sounds

i want something that will shock, surprise and challenge me as a listener and fan

something very different but still distinctly stonsey

maybe i'm asking to much of them at this point in time and i'll like it even if it's something more familiar but mick's comment about the leftovers being different has allowed me to hope that they'll really suprise and challenge us one more time

While I don't disagree with anything you've said here, or don't also wish the same as you, isn't it interesting to step back and take a look at what that actually means.

That we as fans and our expectations are still so high, given how much time has passed and their advanced age.

Were there any Sinatra fans...ANY...that were demanding his new material "surprise and challenge" them as listeners? It's laughable. I recall the couple of duets albums that came out at the end of the 90s and it was like a revelation in the music world. "DUETS...so cool". Stones put out a live album with a few duets and are derided.

And here we are, with Mick and Keith the same age as Sinatra when he passed, 82, and they're STILL putting out new albums, with new material and still perpetually on tour...fascinating.

Yet collectively we as fans cannot get enough...no satisfaction.

i'm just to be clear not demanding they surprise and challenge me just hoping

oddly i wouldn't have allowed myself to think they could do this five years ago

but here we are after mick and keith turned 80 and released an album the quality of hd and then somehow managed a tour as good as the one last year i think it's probably wise at this point not to underestimate them as artist and what there still capable of

i don't think we're getting an exile level album but we maybe getting something very special anyways

and i'm not gonna be disappointed or anything if they don't end up reinventing the wheel

but it's fun to think they still could

And just so I'm clear, I didn't think that, but rather was reflecting on the fact that at this point we even dare to dream that, and that isn't even a far stretch.

Rather fantastic in my humble opinion...(I don't ascribe to those you articulate their "not-so-humble-opinions").

ok

then we're in agreement

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Every Rolling Stones album has at least 3/4 songs that I really like, so i'm always looking forward to a new album. Even if it more like Dirty Work than Sticky Fingers.

Leftover is a derogatory term in my opinion. Maybe they just don't wanted two bluessongs or two country tunes on Hackney Diamonds, so they left the other ones on the shelf.

Also, it's been 27 months since Hackney Diamonds was finished. I can't imagine they haven't written any new songs in the meantime.

Correct your opinion about "leftover" - it has served The Rolling Stones fantastically from 1968 through 1983 (depending on.... opinion, of course, but as far as I understand their last leftover was Cellophane Trousers for Too Tough).

EOMS has a lot of SF sessions leftovers. TY is 100% leftovers.

How you could like DW more than SF is bizarre. DW is kids with training wheels bad.

Haha no, that's not what I meant. I mean every Stones albums has a couple of songs on it that I like. Even Dirty Work. So I'm looking forward to any new album.

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Every Rolling Stones album has at least 3/4 songs that I really like, so i'm always looking forward to a new album. Even if it more like Dirty Work than Sticky Fingers.

Leftover is a derogatory term in my opinion. Maybe they just don't wanted two bluessongs or two country tunes on Hackney Diamonds, so they left the other ones on the shelf.

Also, it's been 27 months since Hackney Diamonds was finished. I can't imagine they haven't written any new songs in the meantime.

Correct your opinion about "leftover" - it has served The Rolling Stones fantastically from 1968 through 1983 (depending on.... opinion, of course, but as far as I understand their last leftover was Cellophane Trousers for Too Tough).

EOMS has a lot of SF sessions leftovers. TY is 100% leftovers.

How you could like DW more than SF is bizarre. DW is kids with training wheels bad.

It's a bit misleading to say all TY was leftovers, unfinished songs or a germ of a song but then brought into a completely different process and production. Like ( for Instance SFTD started out as a Samba ) on TY SMU started out completely differently, what makes a track what it becomes has very little to do with the leftovers, songs becomes incredible or shit within the recording process.

Like with the new album, we already know it's a Jagger/ Watts production, so I'll bet it will sound very similar to Hackney Diamonds, i don't expect much else, good for you as you like old men trying to sound young, perhaps that makes you feel young, who knows, I'd rather my Stones grew up and created something more honest.

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Like with the new album, we already know it's a Jagger/ Watts production, so I'll bet it will sound very similar to Hackney Diamonds, i don't expect much else, good for you as you like old men trying to sound young, perhaps that makes you feel young, who knows, I'd rather my Stones grew up and created something more honest.

I like them a bit rawer and rootsier too, but why do you assume a more pop-oriented style is dishonest? Mick has always been about merging the Stones sound with what's current. That seems to be what fires him up. Why would that not be genuine?

What's an honest Stones record?
Was it honest when they were a blues cover band? I believe they felt that music but it wasn't their own, exactly. But does that make it dishonest?
Was it honest when they started incorporating more pop sounds?
What about when they started incorporating other roots music like country and later reggae?
Or are we talking about honest lyrics? Which would you point to as the most honest in the Stones catalogue? I've always felt Jagger has been most successful in taking on different personas within his songwriting.
I'm not asking these questions to be argumentative. I'm curious to know what people think.

SFTD started as a folk song and eventually became a samba

I'm wondering if there will be any featured guests on this album? We know there's another Macca track from the HD sessions so that seems like a safe bet. I'd also love to see Willie Nelson on a Stones track.

As far as contemporary artists, I think Dua Lipa is a possibility, she visited the Stones in the Studio but it's unclear if they recorded anything. Sabrina Carpenter's brand of vintage blonde-bombshell sexuality would certainly fit well into the Stones world, she's also collaborated with other Icons of the Stones era like Dolly Parton and Paul Simon. Mick's son, Lucas, has also stated that Mick is a big fan of Chappell Roan, citing Good Luck, Babe! as Mick's favorite song of 2024. Lady Gaga was obviously on HD but she's been having a big moment lately and I think it's possible they bring her back considering she has respect from the whole band and is a friend of Mick. Lana Del Rey, Charli XCX and Brandi Carlile have all worked with Andrew Watt in the past so they are also potentially "On the Table"

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I'm wondering if there will be any featured guests on this album? We know there's another Macca track from the HD sessions so that seems like a safe bet. I'd also love to see Willie Nelson on a Stones track.

As far as contemporary artists, I think Dua Lipa is a possibility, she visited the Stones in the Studio but it's unclear if they recorded anything. Sabrina Carpenter's brand of vintage blonde-bombshell sexuality would certainly fit well into the Stones world, she's also collaborated with other Icons of the Stones era like Dolly Parton and Paul Simon. Mick's son, Lucas, has also stated that Mick is a big fan of Chappell Roan, citing Good Luck, Babe! as Mick's favorite song of 2024. Lady Gaga was obviously on HD but she's been having a big moment lately and I think it's possible they bring her back considering she has respect from the whole band and is a friend of Mick. Lana Del Rey, Charli XCX and Brandi Carlile have all worked with Andrew Watt in the past so they are also potentially "On the Table"

I think it would be cool to have any of them honestly. Interesting that all of them are women.

Is Kesha allowed to work now? I know she's always loved Mick. Would be nice for her to be able to work with them. Not that she's very relevant anymore.

My theory is that they left the Dua Lipa track off Hackney Diamonds in order to let Lady Gaga have a bit more of the spotlight. But I'd be actually surprised if they didn't record anything with Dua Lipa.

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I'm wondering if there will be any featured guests on this album? We know there's another Macca track from the HD sessions so that seems like a safe bet. I'd also love to see Willie Nelson on a Stones track.

As far as contemporary artists, I think Dua Lipa is a possibility, she visited the Stones in the Studio but it's unclear if they recorded anything. Sabrina Carpenter's brand of vintage blonde-bombshell sexuality would certainly fit well into the Stones world, she's also collaborated with other Icons of the Stones era like Dolly Parton and Paul Simon. Mick's son, Lucas, has also stated that Mick is a big fan of Chappell Roan, citing Good Luck, Babe! as Mick's favorite song of 2024. Lady Gaga was obviously on HD but she's been having a big moment lately and I think it's possible they bring her back considering she has respect from the whole band and is a friend of Mick. Lana Del Rey, Charli XCX and Brandi Carlile have all worked with Andrew Watt in the past so they are also potentially "On the Table"

frankly i could do with less celebrity guests and maybe throw on a couple more tracks with bill on bass (but more audible in the mix)

but if we must i wouldn't mind bringing back stevie wonder or elton john

maybe a duet with irma thomas

As always it’s a matter of taste. IMO, a duet on a song that actually have some hit potential could bring new interest in the Stones as a brand and group which I would enjoy a lot - bringing on new fans to talk to even after the Stones is done as a group.

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Like with the new album, we already know it's a Jagger/ Watts production, so I'll bet it will sound very similar to Hackney Diamonds, i don't expect much else, good for you as you like old men trying to sound young, perhaps that makes you feel young, who knows, I'd rather my Stones grew up and created something more honest.

I like them a bit rawer and rootsier too, but why do you assume a more pop-oriented style is dishonest? Mick has always been about merging the Stones sound with what's current. That seems to be what fires him up. Why would that not be genuine?

You think Gimme Shelter /Street Fighting Man / SFTD/ Salt Of The Earth/ Midnight Rambler/ Tumble Dice / All Down The Line was Mick merging the Stones sound with whats current.

We're not talking Let's Work and She's The Boss here, the Stones weren't following trends, they were breaking new ground, they weren't trying to be like anyone else, they was making honest music from how they saw the world at that time, sure they loved Chuck Berry and Elvis and the blues, but this was something beyond their unfluences, yeah they was being honest with themselves.

I am happy with whatever new stuff this give us. I am happy with anything from the vaults. I am happy with any remasters.

We should all be happy for anything we get nowadays instead of bickering over things.

I too would like an official release of every concert from 1969 up to 1982.

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I am happy with whatever new stuff this give us. I am happy with anything from the vaults. I am happy with any remasters.

We should all be happy for anything we get nowadays instead of bickering over things.

I too would like an official release of every concert from 1969 up to 1982.

Exactly my thought

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frankly i could do with less celebrity guests ...

Agree! Although they do get a pass in the case of Paul McC, he can guest on another song or two ... and no need to state the obvious, Bill W, Mick T would be great but I don't necessarily consider them as guests.

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frankly i could do with less celebrity guests ...

Agree! Although they do get a pass in the case of Paul McC, he can guest on another song or two ... and no need to state the obvious, Bill W, Mick T would be great but I don't necessarily consider them as guests.

i hadn't even allowed myself to consider mick taylor because it just seems so unlikely at this point

he hasn't performed publicly in almost a decade and from bits and pieces of rumours i've read here over the years he and the band did not part on good terms after the last run of shows with him

but that would of course be wonderful obviously

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I too would like an official release of every concert from 1969 up to 1982.

What's wrong with the Really Great Years from 1963 to 1968!!!!

Captain Corella

Kesha has been irrelevant for 15 years. Why would anyone want her on Stones record?

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I too would like an official release of every concert from 1969 up to 1982.

What's wrong with the Really Great Years from 1963 to 1968!!!!

Absolutely nothing! The problem is: what’s in the vaults? The live show from 1965, released, is utterly fantastic; but is there more? I wonder what else exists from the shows sourced for the Got Live If You Want It EP?

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Kesha has been irrelevant for 15 years. Why would anyone want her on Stones record?

Well, Macca has been irrelevant for 50 years, but still managed to make it...

- Doxa

Maybe they can resurrect Keith's "three dynamite riffs" ! AFAICT they're not on HD ;-)

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The Rolling Stones does not take requests when recording. May be from their mastermind producer, and their band mates, but I don’t think they go to social media for finding ideas while in studio.

I will be happy with whatever they do. Since 1963, what a recording legacy! We are talking 2025, 62 yers on, and two years after their previous studio album. I am just happy to be part of it all!

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Kesha has been irrelevant for 15 years. Why would anyone want her on Stones record?

Was this Kesha ever relevant? LOL, seriously, this is the first time I've ever heard of her.

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The Rolling Stones does not take requests when recording. May be from their mastermind producer, and their band mates, but I don’t think they go to social media for finding ideas while in studio.

I will be happy with whatever they do. Since 1963, what a recording legacy! We are talking 2025, 62 yers on, and two years after their previous studio album. I am just happy to be part of it all!

of cource they don't and i would think less of them if they did too

we're just spinning our wheels here waiting for them to release something talking about what we would want from them if they cared to listen to us

which they don't and they never have and i love them for that

I wasn't dissing the Brian years. I think ABCKO has released anything they can find from that ERA. There was probably only a limited amount of material which was of quality they were able to release. Most of the better sounding material it seems were from TV shows.

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I too would like an official release of every concert from 1969 up to 1982.

What's wrong with the Really Great Years from 1963 to 1968!!!![/quote]