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The best cuts off the album, Sympathy and Street Fighting Man, never really made it as singles.
Sympathy was released in 1973 or something by ABKCO, so that certainly wouldn't have helped album sales and SFM was banned upon release.
So with no singles and no tour it would have proved a sales challenge in the US certainly.
There's no "seem" with Taylor Swift.
Interest in new Stones music in the US has declined because of temperament, quality and longevity/interest/creativity.
In that regard, The Rolling Stones are done and have been for a while.
Mick could tap into a younger self, lyrically, if he wanted to, and if it came across in the right way, an identifiable way, maybe they'd have more 2020s success. He doesn't.
If he did a lot of people would wonder. Agemism is a new thing.
Time Out Of Mind (1997)– 2.2 million copies
Love & Theft (2001) – 1.8
Modern Times (2006) – 2.45
Together Through Life (2009) – 1.0
Tempest (2012) - 0.85
Rough and Rowdy Ways (2020) – no relieable sales figures available(?)
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Sales don't interest me. Relevance does.
The Velvet Underground never had high sales (as far as I know) but they were undeniable relevant and influenced many other bands.
The Stones also for many years were a relevant band that inspired many other bands. They are not that any more, but it would be unrealistic to expect that. Very few bands or acts stay relevant for decades (in fact, I can't think of any).
On the other hand, personally, since they have nothing left to proof or lose, I would applaud it if they would go out on a limb, do something completely unexpected, and leave the predictable. But that's just me.
Are those US sales or worldwide?
Tempest should've sold 25 million in US alone as good as that beauty is.
Top ten for sure. I recall the lamenting when Sucking In The 70s in 1981 got to #15 and no higher. Not bad for an album called "Sucking In The 70s" full of odds and sods.
It's a hangover from the 1960s-1990s when success was defined by sales.
That's it. Some people get strung up on the fact that Paint It Black is the Stones' highest streaming song ever.
On Spotify, of all things.
So what.
The hangover is a grudge, in a way. Streaming reveals that grudge to be out of place. They WERE. They're NOT anymore. For one week, eh, that's stretching it. Oh they got up to #2 on the Top 200!!!!
Week 2 they're gone.
Whatever.
It means nothing. Which says a lot.
I liked this lp
How well are the Stones doing in regard to other artists?
That's laughable. It's easy to find. It's 2025, not 1974.
Given their status... when you figure it out you will understand.
I don't know how many CDs Sabrina sells. Or the Stones. Haven't looked recently. But it's easy to think Sabrina sells a lot more CDs.
And vinyl.
And downloads.
And streaming.
Than The Rolling Stones.
Think about Taylor Swift. Her fan base isn't interested in hearing Angie again (moms).
They're done. Taylor will very likely never have a tour like that again.
Forget the Stones.
Agreed. It's the waiting that is killing us
YEEES!
No official statements yet, but some reports (by the press, e.g. The Sun) - [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv] .
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Street Fighting Man was released in August. It just made the Top 50 on the Billboard Hot 100. A majority of US radio stations chose to "boycott" it but it was not banned in record stores. The orange cover was pulled. Did it make any stores in the US? There are other covers.
SFTD was released as a single in December, with an edited version and backed with Prodigal Son, but not world wide from what I can make sense of.
I don't think it was released as a single in 68 though. I have that one, the rare "Veronika" release, and I believe that one is from 1973.
I don't think it was released anywhere as a single
when the album actually first came out.
Oh this is very interesting, thanks for digging this up Skip.
So it was released in Holland in 1973 (that's the Veronika cover which I have), and in Belgium and Japan in 1968. That was it upon the album's original release - only 2 countries.
[www.reddit.com].
I wonder why they didn't see fit to release it in the US, too controversial and didn't want another "smackdown" after SFM? They obviously realized it was a standout track.
The Holland vinyl you show is from the 1973 single, though it says 1968 because that's its original release date (on the album).
According to the REDDIT, released throughout European countries after 1970, which I knew and then of course the US and international releases in 2003 with the remixes.
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Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
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treaclefingers
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Date: July 7, 2025 19:00
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Funny that Steel Wheels and Voodoo Lounge each have outsold Beggars Banquet.
The best cuts off the album, Sympathy and Street Fighting Man, never really made it as singles.
Sympathy was released in 1973 or something by ABKCO, so that certainly wouldn't have helped album sales and SFM was banned upon release.
So with no singles and no tour it would have proved a sales challenge in the US certainly.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
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GasLightStreet
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Date: July 8, 2025 07:03
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Blue and Lonesome - 2.4 m. worldwide (370,000 in the US)
HD - 1.4 m. worldwide (250,000 in the US)
wow...that is a staggering statistic. So the interest in new music in the US is down to less than one 1/6th for B&L and bumps up a bit for HD, but a staggeringly low overall number.
We should be glad that hasn't dissuaded them from putting out new material...thanks for sharing that georgelicks.
Interest in NEW STONES music has declined in the US. Other artists like Taylor Swift still seem to sell up a storm.
Demographics. Who we grow up with, we buy. We die, interest “dies”.
There's no "seem" with Taylor Swift.
Interest in new Stones music in the US has declined because of temperament, quality and longevity/interest/creativity.
In that regard, The Rolling Stones are done and have been for a while.
Mick could tap into a younger self, lyrically, if he wanted to, and if it came across in the right way, an identifiable way, maybe they'd have more 2020s success. He doesn't.
If he did a lot of people would wonder. Agemism is a new thing.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
Bashlets
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Date: July 8, 2025 13:21
I don’t understand why people are caught up in sales. It’s great they are still recording. Back in 1977 when I was 15 was I first in line to buy the new Sinatra or Elvis. None of us were. 1.4 million for HD is great. What are the totals of new Dylan albums? If the stones produce something good at this point that’s great. start me up could be released today and it wouldn’t get airplay. To young people the stones are viewed the same way we viewed Sinatra etc in 1977. Legends but it was our parents and grandparents music.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
slewan
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Date: July 8, 2025 13:48
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Bashlets
I don’t understand why people are caught up in sales. It’s great they are still recording. Back in 1977 when I was 15 was I first in line to buy the new Sinatra or Elvis. None of us were. 1.4 million for HD is great. What are the totals of new Dylan albums?
Time Out Of Mind (1997)– 2.2 million copies
Love & Theft (2001) – 1.8
Modern Times (2006) – 2.45
Together Through Life (2009) – 1.0
Tempest (2012) - 0.85
Rough and Rowdy Ways (2020) – no relieable sales figures available(?)
Edited 7 time(s). Last edit at 2025-07-08 17:01 by slewan.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: July 8, 2025 14:26
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Bashlets
I don’t understand why people are caught up in sales. It’s great they are still recording. Back in 1977 when I was 15 was I first in line to buy the new Sinatra or Elvis. None of us were. 1.4 million for HD is great. What are the totals of new Dylan albums? If the stones produce something good at this point that’s great. start me up could be released today and it wouldn’t get airplay. To young people the stones are viewed the same way we viewed Sinatra etc in 1977. Legends but it was our parents and grandparents music.
Sales don't interest me. Relevance does.
The Velvet Underground never had high sales (as far as I know) but they were undeniable relevant and influenced many other bands.
The Stones also for many years were a relevant band that inspired many other bands. They are not that any more, but it would be unrealistic to expect that. Very few bands or acts stay relevant for decades (in fact, I can't think of any).
On the other hand, personally, since they have nothing left to proof or lose, I would applaud it if they would go out on a limb, do something completely unexpected, and leave the predictable. But that's just me.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
desertblues68
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Date: July 8, 2025 17:46
I would rather they did a new album, even a half decent one, than a Glastonbury style Rod Stewart show. It was a short set only 1 hour and a half circa, but he was struggling.
It was very hot on the day, bit too many interruptions, two songs played by very talented choirgirls and a long music intro.
I am sure his fans were mot particularly interested in this. The set lacked flow. Ronnie played well and gave an energetic performance.
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It was very hot on the day, bit too many interruptions, two songs played by very talented choirgirls and a long music intro.
I am sure his fans were mot particularly interested in this. The set lacked flow. Ronnie played well and gave an energetic performance.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-07-08 21:24 by desertblues68.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
MadMax
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Date: July 8, 2025 23:10
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slewanQuote
Bashlets
I don’t understand why people are caught up in sales. It’s great they are still recording. Back in 1977 when I was 15 was I first in line to buy the new Sinatra or Elvis. None of us were. 1.4 million for HD is great. What are the totals of new Dylan albums?
Time Out Of Mind (1997)– 2.2 million copies
Love & Theft (2001) – 1.8
Modern Times (2006) – 2.45
Together Through Life (2009) – 1.0
Tempest (2012) - 0.85
Rough and Rowdy Ways (2020) – no relieable sales figures available(?)
Are those US sales or worldwide?
Tempest should've sold 25 million in US alone as good as that beauty is.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
drbryant
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Date: July 8, 2025 23:19
Sales are misleading because the industry as a whole has seen a decline in sales. The question should be how well the Stones are doing relative to other artists. The bottom line is that unlike every other act, from Elvis to Paul McCartney to Michael Jackson, etc., every new studio albums by the Stones (except for their debut, England's Newest Hitmakers) has peaked in the top 5 (I think) on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. That includes taking a blues cover album to the top of the UK charts and #4(?) in the US. Amazing
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: July 9, 2025 01:51
Quote
drbryant
Sales are misleading because the industry as a whole has seen a decline in sales. The question should be how well the Stones are doing relative to other artists. The bottom line is that unlike every other act, from Elvis to Paul McCartney to Michael Jackson, etc., every new studio albums by the Stones (except for their debut, England's Newest Hitmakers) has peaked in the top 5 (I think) on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. That includes taking a blues cover album to the top of the UK charts and #4(?) in the US. Amazing
Top ten for sure. I recall the lamenting when Sucking In The 70s in 1981 got to #15 and no higher. Not bad for an album called "Sucking In The 70s" full of odds and sods.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 9, 2025 03:37
Quote
Bashlets
I don’t understand why people are caught up in sales. It’s great they are still recording. Back in 1977 when I was 15 was I first in line to buy the new Sinatra or Elvis. None of us were. 1.4 million for HD is great. What are the totals of new Dylan albums? If the stones produce something good at this point that’s great. start me up could be released today and it wouldn’t get airplay. To young people the stones are viewed the same way we viewed Sinatra etc in 1977. Legends but it was our parents and grandparents music.
It's a hangover from the 1960s-1990s when success was defined by sales.
That's it. Some people get strung up on the fact that Paint It Black is the Stones' highest streaming song ever.
On Spotify, of all things.
So what.
The hangover is a grudge, in a way. Streaming reveals that grudge to be out of place. They WERE. They're NOT anymore. For one week, eh, that's stretching it. Oh they got up to #2 on the Top 200!!!!
Week 2 they're gone.
Whatever.
It means nothing. Which says a lot.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
babyblue
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Date: July 9, 2025 03:53
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treaclefingersQuote
drbryant
Sales are misleading because the industry as a whole has seen a decline in sales. The question should be how well the Stones are doing relative to other artists. The bottom line is that unlike every other act, from Elvis to Paul McCartney to Michael Jackson, etc., every new studio albums by the Stones (except for their debut, England's Newest Hitmakers) has peaked in the top 5 (I think) on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. That includes taking a blues cover album to the top of the UK charts and #4(?) in the US. Amazing
Top ten for sure. I recall the lamenting when Sucking In The 70s in 1981 got to #15 and no higher. Not bad for an album called "Sucking In The 70s" full of odds and sods.
I liked this lp
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: July 9, 2025 07:37
Quote
drbryant
Sales are misleading because the industry as a whole has seen a decline in sales. The question should be how well the Stones are doing relative to other artists. The bottom line is that unlike every other act, from Elvis to Paul McCartney to Michael Jackson, etc., every new studio albums by the Stones (except for their debut, England's Newest Hitmakers) has peaked in the top 5 (I think) on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. That includes taking a blues cover album to the top of the UK charts and #4(?) in the US. Amazing
How well are the Stones doing in regard to other artists?
That's laughable. It's easy to find. It's 2025, not 1974.
Given their status... when you figure it out you will understand.
I don't know how many CDs Sabrina sells. Or the Stones. Haven't looked recently. But it's easy to think Sabrina sells a lot more CDs.
And vinyl.
And downloads.
And streaming.
Than The Rolling Stones.
Think about Taylor Swift. Her fan base isn't interested in hearing Angie again (moms).
They're done. Taylor will very likely never have a tour like that again.
Forget the Stones.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
MrBird65
()
Date: July 9, 2025 12:53
I'm bored by all discussions about sales etc.
Who cares?
The band we all love releases a new album!!!
Who cares?
The band we all love releases a new album!!!
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
tiffanyblu
()
Date: July 9, 2025 16:27
Quote
MrBird65
I'm bored by all discussions about sales etc.
Who cares?
The band we all love releases a new album!!!
Agreed. It's the waiting that is killing us
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
MrBird65
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Date: July 9, 2025 18:44
Yeah!
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
HardRiffin
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Date: July 9, 2025 18:59
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MrBird65
I'm bored by all discussions about sales etc.
Who cares?
The band we all love releases a new album!!!
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
ARB
()
Date: July 9, 2025 19:05
Agreed! Sales shmales. Relevance shmelevance. I'll take as many new Stones songs or albums as I can get.
"Hours are like diamonds, don't let them waste
Time waits for no one, no favours has he
Time waits for no one, and he won't wait for me"
"Hours are like diamonds, don't let them waste
Time waits for no one, no favours has he
Time waits for no one, and he won't wait for me"
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
Jalfstra
()
Date: July 10, 2025 11:12
If I remember correctly, the first Angry snippet was posted online at the end of august or the beginning of september 2023. Since the Hackney Diamonds release was aan great succes, it seems logical that they follow the same release-route/roadmap.
The big selling point of HD was, of course, the 18 year gap between their last album and the new release. I wonder how much attention this upcoming release will generate in the mainstream media.
The big selling point of HD was, of course, the 18 year gap between their last album and the new release. I wonder how much attention this upcoming release will generate in the mainstream media.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
micha063
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Date: July 10, 2025 20:50
Quote
MrBird65
I'm bored by all discussions about sales etc.
Who cares?
The band we all love releases a new album!!!
YEEES!
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
Juniorjackflash
()
Date: July 11, 2025 02:04
Mick doesnt Miss a thing. He will have Neil Young tearing it up at Glasto, in addition to Rocket Rod and John Fogerty (all in or around 80).
Then all Ronnie and Friends at the Sabbath gig. I just hope he gets the itch to think, we fancy a piece of this in 2026.
Sounds a little to when im writing this down, but given a bit of luck in life, 80 doesn't seem as ridiculous to perform as say it may have done 20 years ago.
Of course it will all come down to money and insurance for a tour, but here's to hoping that the next show with the boys ain't that far away!
Then all Ronnie and Friends at the Sabbath gig. I just hope he gets the itch to think, we fancy a piece of this in 2026.
Sounds a little to when im writing this down, but given a bit of luck in life, 80 doesn't seem as ridiculous to perform as say it may have done 20 years ago.
Of course it will all come down to money and insurance for a tour, but here's to hoping that the next show with the boys ain't that far away!
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
mailexile67
()
Date: July 11, 2025 13:03
What about record collector magazine news that noticed about a "Black and blue" deluxe issue in November...Is there an official Umg statement or only gossip?
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
Irix
()
Date: July 11, 2025 14:00
Quote
mailexile67
What about record collector magazine news that noticed about a "Black and blue" deluxe issue in November...Is there an official Umg statement or only gossip?
No official statements yet, but some reports (by the press, e.g. The Sun) - [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv] .
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Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 11, 2025 19:47
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Funny that Steel Wheels and Voodoo Lounge each have outsold Beggars Banquet.
The best cuts off the album, Sympathy and Street Fighting Man, never really made it as singles.
Sympathy was released in 1973 or something by ABKCO, so that certainly wouldn't have helped album sales and SFM was banned upon release.
So with no singles and no tour it would have proved a sales challenge in the US certainly.
Street Fighting Man was released in August. It just made the Top 50 on the Billboard Hot 100. A majority of US radio stations chose to "boycott" it but it was not banned in record stores. The orange cover was pulled. Did it make any stores in the US? There are other covers.
SFTD was released as a single in December, with an edited version and backed with Prodigal Son, but not world wide from what I can make sense of.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: July 11, 2025 19:52
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Send It To me
Funny that Steel Wheels and Voodoo Lounge each have outsold Beggars Banquet.
The best cuts off the album, Sympathy and Street Fighting Man, never really made it as singles.
Sympathy was released in 1973 or something by ABKCO, so that certainly wouldn't have helped album sales and SFM was banned upon release.
So with no singles and no tour it would have proved a sales challenge in the US certainly.
Street Fighting Man was released in August. It just made the Top 50 on the Billboard Hot 100. A majority of US radio stations chose to "boycott" it but it was not banned in record stores. The orange cover was pulled. Did it make any stores in the US? There are other covers.
SFTD was released as a single in December, with an edited version and backed with Prodigal Son, but not world wide from what I can make sense of.
I don't think it was released as a single in 68 though. I have that one, the rare "Veronika" release, and I believe that one is from 1973.
I don't think it was released anywhere as a single
when the album actually first came out.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: July 11, 2025 20:25
SFTD is listed as being released the same day as the album. It was released a few years later to other markets.
It charted in quite a few countries. Of course, today the LP version is still played just as much on vlassic rawk radio stations as it was 20 years ago.
It charted in quite a few countries. Of course, today the LP version is still played just as much on vlassic rawk radio stations as it was 20 years ago.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: July 11, 2025 20:39
Quote
GasLightStreet
SFTD is listed as being released the same day as the album. It was released a few years later to other markets.
It charted in quite a few countries. Of course, today the LP version is still played just as much on vlassic rawk radio stations as it was 20 years ago.
Oh this is very interesting, thanks for digging this up Skip.
So it was released in Holland in 1973 (that's the Veronika cover which I have), and in Belgium and Japan in 1968. That was it upon the album's original release - only 2 countries.
[www.reddit.com].
I wonder why they didn't see fit to release it in the US, too controversial and didn't want another "smackdown" after SFM? They obviously realized it was a standout track.
The Holland vinyl you show is from the 1973 single, though it says 1968 because that's its original release date (on the album).
According to the REDDIT, released throughout European countries after 1970, which I knew and then of course the US and international releases in 2003 with the remixes.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
trevormcmullin
()
Date: July 11, 2025 22:17
This thread is about everything and anything but the new album. Sick of reading about record sales, and trivial shit about what month this and that song was released. If you don’t have any information about the recording and speculated release of the new record, put it on another thread. 22 pages of bullshit. There is probably only half of a page of worthy info on the topic of the new album.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
peoplewitheyes
()
Date: July 11, 2025 23:55
Harsh (but fair)
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
georgemcdonnell314
()
Date: July 12, 2025 00:44
I agree and probably one of the reasons people have stopped coming to IORR.
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trevormcmullin
This thread is about everything and anything but the new album. Sick of reading about record sales, and trivial shit about what month this and that song was released. If you don’t have any information about the recording and speculated release of the new record, put it on another thread. 22 pages of bullshit. There is probably only half of a page of worthy info on the topic of the new album.
Re: The Rolling Stones studio works 2025 - new album due
Posted by:
TW2019
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Date: July 12, 2025 01:34
Thank you someone for saying it….
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