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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

....in France too.....

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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

That's not surprising, next week it will mark 1 full year since the Stones were last on the Billboard 200 with Hot Rocks at #166 the week of July 5th 2024, since then nothing has appeared again, a dramatic drop in popularity in the US streaming market, the last time the Stones had nothing charting in the US for over a year was from late June 2008 to late May 2010, between Shine a Light and the reissue of Exile.

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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

That's not surprising, next week it will mark 1 full year since the Stones were last on the Billboard 200 with Hot Rocks at #166 the week of July 5th 2024, since then nothing has appeared again, a dramatic drop in popularity in the US streaming market, the last time the Stones had nothing charting in the US for over a year was from late June 2008 to late May 2010, between Shine a Light and the reissue of Exile.

Do you mind giving your thoughts as to why this is happening in the US.

Thanks.

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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

That's not surprising, next week it will mark 1 full year since the Stones were last on the Billboard 200 with Hot Rocks at #166 the week of July 5th 2024, since then nothing has appeared again, a dramatic drop in popularity in the US streaming market, the last time the Stones had nothing charting in the US for over a year was from late June 2008 to late May 2010, between Shine a Light and the reissue of Exile.

Do you mind giving your thoughts as to why this is happening in the US.

Thanks.

I know your question was aimed at georgelicks, specifically, but my understanding is that ‘rock music’ in general, is declining in popularity stateside. There’s an interview on YouTube with the late Ronnie James Dio, where he talks about how ‘rock acts’ are received so much more greatly across Europe and South America, than in the USA. He pointed to the rise of ‘talent shows’ and disposable music as key elements as to why it’s happening. Here, in the U.K., the Stones have undergone a sort-of renaissance, post 2012, and their popularity and branding has increased; Rolling Stones t-shirts are visible everywhere, here. I really don’t know if the USA has fallen entirely out of love with rock, but hip-hop and Hispanic music and culture is an incredible force there, now, and has been for some time.

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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

That's not surprising, next week it will mark 1 full year since the Stones were last on the Billboard 200 with Hot Rocks at #166 the week of July 5th 2024, since then nothing has appeared again, a dramatic drop in popularity in the US streaming market, the last time the Stones had nothing charting in the US for over a year was from late June 2008 to late May 2010, between Shine a Light and the reissue of Exile.

Do you mind giving your thoughts as to why this is happening in the US.

Thanks.

I know your question was aimed at georgelicks, specifically, but my understanding is that ‘rock music’ in general, is declining in popularity stateside. There’s an interview on YouTube with the late Ronnie James Dio, where he talks about how ‘rock acts’ are received so much more greatly across Europe and South America, than in the USA. He pointed to the rise of ‘talent shows’ and disposable music as key elements as to why it’s happening. Here, in the U.K., the Stones have undergone a sort-of renaissance, post 2012, and their popularity and branding has increased; Rolling Stones t-shirts are visible everywhere, here. I really don’t know if the USA has fallen entirely out of love with rock, but hip-hop and Hispanic music and culture is an incredible force there, now, and has been for some time.

Thank you, i hear what you are saying, it's anyone's guess why the US appear to have fallen out of love with Rock. i suppose the 18 year gap between studio albums might be the reason HD sold a million copies, it could have been worse.

They're a touring and merchandise band even as far back as the 81" 82" tour the Stones were one of the few acts that could profit from stadium tours, they have always broken the rules as far as limitations go.


As far as record sales go i think the Stones have done well throughout, the decline in sales reflected the decline in creativity as a band.
Let's face it you can't expect ABB and HD to sell like Tattoo You.

It's fascinating to me how the Stones went from Wrinkly Rockers and Dinosaurs in the press in the 80's to the elite status as lovable legends since that period, some deal behind the scenes must have been made, they really can't put a foot wrong now.

Crazy how a band that initially gained popularity for being anti establishment became the establishment, still trying to figure that one out

Rock and roll dead yet? I don't think so. I live in the USA and the bars, the clubs, the venus are still showing rock bands multiple times a week all over the country.
The way one feels about "the end of rock" tells me more about the person state of mind that it tells me about rock and roll's heartbeat.
If you want to believe that rock is dying go head; I don't.

As long as songs like these are written Rock and Roll is alright.

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Rock and roll dead yet? I don't think so. I live in the USA and the bars, the clubs, the venus are still showing rock bands multiple times a week all over the country.
The way one feels about "the end of rock" tells me more about the person state of mind that it tells me about rock and roll's heartbeat.
If you want to believe that rock is dying go head; I don't.

As long as songs like these are written Rock and Roll is alright.

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yeah fellow american

while it maybe be declining in popularity it's definitely not dead here

and young people still listen to it they just mix it in with a billion other genres of music they like

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Rock and roll dead yet? I don't think so. I live in the USA and the bars, the clubs, the venus are still showing rock bands multiple times a week all over the country.
The way one feels about "the end of rock" tells me more about the person state of mind that it tells me about rock and roll's heartbeat.
If you want to believe that rock is dying go head; I don't.

As long as songs like these are written Rock and Roll is alright.

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Brilliant, have to confess I've never heard that track.

Or this old guy, still has a rock and roll heart.
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r & r IS NOT DEAD...CHECK OUT YUNGBLUD. HE'S THE NEW STAR OUT THERE. HIS NEW RECORD IDOLS IS RIDICULOUSLY GOOD.

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r & r IS NOT DEAD...CHECK OUT YUNGBLUD. HE'S THE NEW STAR OUT THERE. HIS NEW RECORD IDOLS IS RIDICULOUSLY GOOD.

Cool, this one's very Oasis

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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

Absolutely correct. It did very poorly sales-wise and radio-wise in the USA. Which added immeasurably to my ongoing annoyance at how much time The Stones devote to playing over there. Yes, yes, I know all the reasons why they do so. Bigger stadia, bigger attendance-levels, easier travel, etc, etc. All fine and dandy except I still get annoyed by it. Does the loyalty and commitment of fans at this site of the ocean really count for so little?

And no doubt, the new album, when it arrives, will also largely sink without trace over there. But of course Hot Rocks will go on and on and on selling. Because for most Stones fans in The States, the band ceased to do anything much since the end of the last decade.

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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

Absolutely correct. It did very poorly sales-wise and radio-wise in the USA. Which added immeasurably to my ongoing annoyance at how much time The Stones devote to playing over there. Yes, yes, I know all the reasons why they do so. Bigger stadia, bigger attendance-levels, easier travel, etc, etc. All fine and dandy except I still get annoyed by it. Does the loyalty and commitment of fans at this site of the ocean really count for so little?

And no doubt, the new album, when it arrives, will also largely sink without trace over there. But of course Hot Rocks will go on and on and on selling. Because for most Stones fans in The States, the band ceased to do anything much since the end of the last decade.

...or since 1981. Because that's what the music played at the shows reflects.

Anyway, it doesn't much matter. They're putting out new material in their 80s because the want to and the few of us that do buy it enjoy the hell out of it, so we're pretty lucky from that perspective.

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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

Absolutely correct. It did very poorly sales-wise and radio-wise in the USA. Which added immeasurably to my ongoing annoyance at how much time The Stones devote to playing over there. Yes, yes, I know all the reasons why they do so. Bigger stadia, bigger attendance-levels, easier travel, etc, etc. All fine and dandy except I still get annoyed by it. Does the loyalty and commitment of fans at this site of the ocean really count for so little?

And no doubt, the new album, when it arrives, will also largely sink without trace over there. But of course Hot Rocks will go on and on and on selling. Because for most Stones fans in The States, the band ceased to do anything much since the end of the last decade.

With all due respect US audiences aren't easily pleased, you have to earn their respect, watch concerts over the years, the Stones get the crowds going by the second half of the show. US audiences are used to being entertained, they've seen and heard it all beforehand, you must deliver and that goes for albums too.

An example, out of time worked great in Europe, while it did'nt so well for american audience

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An example, out of time worked great in Europe, while it did'nt so well for american audience

It was dropped pretty early tbh. Mick always seems a bit sensitive to reception of songs. Which is logical ofcourse, but I think that song could work anywhere.

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ABB sold over 2.5 worldwide
B&L sold over 2.5 worldwide
HD sold almost 1.5 worldwide
Not bad at all for albums since 2000.

And Blue & Lonesome did particularly well in the U.K., or I've read, here.

HD as well to my recollection, worse in the US.

HD actually did worse in the US than almost anywhere else. Quickly disappeared from the charts. I think in Germany and Netherlands it did particularly well.

Absolutely correct. It did very poorly sales-wise and radio-wise in the USA. Which added immeasurably to my ongoing annoyance at how much time The Stones devote to playing over there. Yes, yes, I know all the reasons why they do so. Bigger stadia, bigger attendance-levels, easier travel, etc, etc. All fine and dandy except I still get annoyed by it. Does the loyalty and commitment of fans at this site of the ocean really count for so little?

And no doubt, the new album, when it arrives, will also largely sink without trace over there. But of course Hot Rocks will go on and on and on selling. Because for most Stones fans in The States, the band ceased to do anything much since the end of the last decade.

With all due respect US audiences aren't easily pleased, you have to earn their respect, watch concerts over the years, the Stones get the crowds going by the second half of the show. US audiences are used to being entertained, they've seen and heard it all beforehand, you must deliver and that goes for albums too.

Audiences post 1989 don't care for a new release from an old band when they want to hear HOT ROCKS/REWIND. STEEL WHEELS was the last album that mattered upon release. The tour was their biggest ever and remains that way historically: no other tour mattered as much as STEEL WHEELS.

Even when sales were still kind of a thing in 2005 A BIGGER BANG suffered: the album sold poorly. It's not a surprise since it doesn't have a really good single on it, it's a mish mash of heavy tunes, garbage and one horrific ballad that got released as a single for some inane reason.

Sales don't matter. HOT ROCKS on Spotify is a joke because Spotify is a joke. Streaming amounts to nothing. Here this hour, gone in the next hour. No artist/band is making money from streaming.

One should never underestimate the younger generation's curiosity. Stones, Beatles, Dylan, and a lot of other classic acts will be discovered in a way or another, being by physical records, streaming or any other future technology.

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One should never underestimate the younger generation's curiosity. Stones, Beatles, Dylan, and a lot of other classic acts will be discovered in a way or another, being by physical records, streaming or any other future technology.

Agreed, which one can see with Queen and Elton John for instance… or ABBA. But then again, you need to do something differently.

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One should never underestimate the younger generation's curiosity. Stones, Beatles, Dylan, and a lot of other classic acts will be discovered in a way or another, being by physical records, streaming or any other future technology.

Agreed, which one can see with Queen and Elton John for instance… or ABBA. But then again, you need to do something differently.

That is right, but I think it will depend on whether the band or artist is still performing, releasing new music, or how their estate is handling their legacy.

Back when the Internet was not widely available, many great music was discovered after hearing it on the radio, soundtracks, through an older relative or friend, TV shows, whatever. Nowadays, it's all that (perhaps in other scale than it was back then) plus social networks and other different ways.

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One should never underestimate the younger generation's curiosity. Stones, Beatles, Dylan, and a lot of other classic acts will be discovered in a way or another, being by physical records, streaming or any other future technology.

Agreed, which one can see with Queen and Elton John for instance… or ABBA. But then again, you need to do something differently.

That is right, but I think it will depend on whether the band or artist is still performing, releasing new music, or how their estate is handling their legacy.

Back when the Internet was not widely available, many great music was discovered after hearing it on the radio, soundtracks, through an older relative or friend, TV shows, whatever. Nowadays, it's all that (perhaps in other scale than it was back then) plus social networks and other different ways.

I think the continued success of the band as a live act proves they haven't gone away and that their music is still out there. Is there any musical act that has as much of their music featured in movies or tv? I can't think of any.

The issue is how much their new music is embraced by a wider audience. In that case, the ship has sailed for wide adoption, and has been the case since Steel Wheels but let's face it, probably really since Tattoo You as the music that lives in the zeitgeist generally, are the big singles (Sympathy for the Devil notwithstanding).

But they are now artists again, and not just performers and I'm great with that. Bring on the new album, whether it sells like Tattoo You or not.

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Maybe that's more because it was left off of Aftermath there and therefore simply not as known as in Europe?

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An example, out of time worked great in Europe, while it did'nt so well for american audience

Maybe that's more because it was left off of Aftermath there and therefore simply not as known as in Europe?

The Chris Farlowe cover that was such a big hit in Europe wasn't anything like as successful in the USA. They did Out of Time a few times in the US but realised most of the crowd didn't know the song and dropped it.

The new Stones album won't sell accordingly compared to anything pre-2005.

Because albums don't sell enough to be bothered to mention.

It's 98% streaming.

It is released, big push by UMG, talk by whatever whoever, including their age, and two weeks later... nothing - a great give off the streaming charts.

It's way past the 1990s when all of that mattered. Today it's who captures the wonder so Sabrina Carpenter is it, Taylor Swift and quite a few others - streaming.

Constantly. For months!!! Even years!

Not The Rolling Stones.

How is there any wonder? It's not their age, it's their lack of being present in regard to what's happening in the culture because they've always been around and they're not current regardless of having new music because they aren't able to be current, whatever that means, in the mindset of what is current, no matter what remix is released - it doesn't matter.

They had their time - for decades.

The paradox is that you don't need to be current to sell out stadiums. You can lean on your old hits. For life.

The next Stones album is not released yet, but still some fans do worry about sales of the album. So why not worry about WW3 or may be tomorrow you will be hit with thunders and lighting.

I do love "Hackney Diamonds". If the next album is at the same level, I will be happy. To be honest, I will be happy anyway.

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happy monday .the pictures of ron wood on stage was cool.the new album will be that
to say excellent..to me...thank you who ever shared Kansas city 81.it tells us mick taylor and the stones changed and went different ways..point this album will be just that new but with the stones sound..my son in his 20's plays sympathy..paint it black and mess it up..i cant explain it..someone likes what they like.the new springsteen box is a trip thru time and different styles

We can talk about WW3 now? — A joke. And yes, I too am excited to possibly get another album. If I have one hope for it, it’s a gatefold with actual photos or liner notes

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The next Stones album is not released yet, but still some fans do worry about sales of the album. So why not worry about WW3 or may be tomorrow you will be hit with thunders and lighting.

I do love "Hackney Diamonds". If the next album is at the same level, I will be happy. To be honest, I will be happy anyway.

Yes, that's truth.
It feels a bit like waiting for a birthday present and the excitement is making ne smile.

I don't care at all if an piece of music sells well or not nor what the critics say. All I know is that so far there hasn't been one single Stones release that I haven't enjoyed, so it's very likely that I will love also their next work. looking forward to it!

That said, albums sales and streams are important not because they say something of the quality of the music, but because they give an indication on how successful a project was, and I am sure that the Stones, as artists, even if now they can afford not to care about sales/streaming stats, still somehow find gratification in these figures. In particular if they release an album like HD.



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