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I hope we get a new album by the end of the year. I don’t know if Keith is still interesting with the writing of new songs. I doubt it. As for the tour, I would not count on it. Will they spend one month rehearsal for 6 shows in Europe or in the US ? And the logistics will cost way too much. Very skeptical.

See you in the pit.

Would be great. But in Paris - Stade de France, May and Jubé 2026 is already pretty much full ( Oasis, Coldplay, K Pop …..).

I am hoping for just music released often..maybe a small venue here or there..enjoy life do they need to tour
Just fill spotify with music..

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Keep in mind who's organizing the record labels that release Stones material: regardless of the digital realm they still think releasing something too close to something else is a conflict.

Then why 5 releases only very few weeks after another release in the last 11 years? The vault releases don't make much money so they should consider the monetary side even more to not make a loss.

Don't get me wrong. A spring release with a tour is very possible in my opinion. I just can't understand the position that a November release of a new album is off because of a Deluxe Edition for hardcore fans.

In regard to a new album, vault releases are never released. Releasing live releases a month plus apart, while they may count on 50,000 copies being bought, they're probably hoping on long term streaming, which seems dubious. Spotify has a distinction in place where if a release doesn't get enough streams in 12 months, I think it's a thousand per month average, the album gets dropped.

Think Spotify will drop a Stones release? I think so. Not everything is on Spotify. Perhaps it was. Unless there's some deal via UMG to keep whatever they put on Spotify regardless of zero plays a month or miniscule for a year.

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Just asked the same question in the B&B 2025 thread...Probably means 2026 for the new album which would make sense with a tour coming on the heels of the release, unlike what they did for HD.

with BaB to be released in November there's obviously no time slot left to release a new album in 2025.

It might very well be a spring release for the new album but the Black and Blue Deluxe certainly won't delay any possible new album. They often released Deluxe/vault stuff within a few weeks. there's No competition between the new album and a Deluxe release.

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Hampton 81 and LA 75 (both November 2014)
Sticky Fingers Deluxe and Marquee (both June 2015)
Tokio 90 Leeds 82 (November 2015)
Atlantic City and Goats Head Soup Deluxe (September 2020)
El Mocambo (May 2022) and Licked Live in NYC (June 2022)

None of those live releases or deluxe reissues were in any year of a new album release though.

Well, the schedule in 2016 was kind of tough .
Totally Stripped June 3, 2016
The Rolling Stones In Mono box set September 30, 2016
Havana Moon November 11, 1016
Blue And Lonesome December 2, 2016

Oh, yikes, totally missed those. Well, it wasn't an album of originals! BAL sold excellently, as I recall, considering it was a blues cover album via 1964ish Stones in 2016.

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Just asked the same question in the B&B 2025 thread...Probably means 2026 for the new album which would make sense with a tour coming on the heels of the release, unlike what they did for HD.

with BaB to be released in November there's obviously no time slot left to release a new album in 2025.

It might very well be a spring release for the new album but the Black and Blue Deluxe certainly won't delay any possible new album. They often released Deluxe/vault stuff within a few weeks. there's No competition between the new album and a Deluxe release.

Examples:

Hampton 81 and LA 75 (both November 2014)
Sticky Fingers Deluxe and Marquee (both June 2015)
Tokio 90 Leeds 82 (November 2015)
Atlantic City and Goats Head Soup Deluxe (September 2020)
El Mocambo (May 2022) and Licked Live in NYC (June 2022)

None of those live releases or deluxe reissues were in any year of a new album release though.

Well, the schedule in 2016 was kind of tough .
Totally Stripped June 3, 2016
The Rolling Stones In Mono box set September 30, 2016
Havana Moon November 11, 1016
Blue And Lonesome December 2, 2016

Oh, yikes, totally missed those. Well, it wasn't an album of originals! BAL sold excellently, as I recall, considering it was a blues cover album via 1964ish Stones in 2016.

Sort of. It sold excellently in U.K., though terribly in the U.S.A.

B&L topped the UK charts and peaked at number 4 in the US. Not really «terrible»

It topped the charts in 16 countries, according to Wikipedia.

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Would be great. But in Paris - Stade de France, May and Jubé 2026 is already pretty much full ( Oasis, Coldplay, K Pop …..).

Francis Zegut (RTL2 Radio and usually very well informed) had posted yesterday a list of shows for Oasis 2026 (Paris july 17 th).

[www.instagram.com]

And this morning he is talking about the Stones at Stade de France on june 2026.

[www.facebook.com]



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B&L topped the UK charts and peaked at number 4 in the US. Not really «terrible»

It topped the charts in 16 countries, according to Wikipedia.

Thanks, Dandy. It must've been Hackney Diamonds that incurred the lacklustre sales, stateside. Oh, I may have been poking GasLightStreet a little, too

I think B&L was marketed very well. I remember seeing it at warehouses, which is not common these days of streaming. It had an easy recognizable cover art as well.
Easy to spot. Seems like record stores are meeting the same destiny as video stores did decades ago. Or already did...

Haha, gotcha!

Perhaps here may not be the appropriate thread, but has anyone else observed how the Stones' monthly listenership on Spotify seems to be dropping?

I've kept an eye on it since the PR people said streaming was going to become a priority in addition to promoting Hackney Diamonds. It has fluctuated between 26 and 30 million for two years. Whatever they're doing (to the extent anything is still being done) is not working. And maybe there's nothing that can be done. Maybe you just need some random to ride a scooter and drink Ocean Spray while listening to Wild Horses.

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I've kept an eye on it since the PR people said streaming was going to become a priority in addition to promoting Hackney Diamonds. It has fluctuated between 26 and 30 million for two years. Whatever they're doing (to the extent anything is still being done) is not working. And maybe there's nothing that can be done. Maybe you just need some random to ride a scooter and drink Ocean Spray while listening to Wild Horses.

Yes, I recollect you commenting on this very issue before, actually. Doing so, got me curious, too. Perhaps, we just have to accept that our beloved band are not quite as popular as we'd sometimes like to imagine. There are some surprising statistics out there: the Hollies having 10 million 'monthly listeners', for instance; why?? I love them, but they've recorded nothing of note in decades. When did they become 'hip'?

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Would be great. But in Paris - Stade de France, May and Jubé 2026 is already pretty much full ( Oasis, Coldplay, K Pop …..).

Francis Zegut (RTL2 Radio and usually very well informed) had posted yesterday a list of shows for Oasis 2026 (Paris july 17 th).

[www.instagram.com]

And this morning he is talking about the Stones at Stade de France on june 2026.

[www.facebook.com]

It would be great if I could go to see the Stones and 24 Hours of Le Mans around the same time!

They are still very "popular" just aren't at the forefront of everyone's minds. Many people only care about and know the 15-20 "radio classics". They have always been around and touring a lot, two 5-7 year breaks in 63+ years and basically 45-50 years of touring. People have had many many chances to see them and have. Some bands have 10-15 year Hiatus' and when they come back there's a huge demand. Seemingly half the people who went to shows in 2024 didn't even know of a new album or didn't listen to it much past Angry. Anything at this point is a blessing and HD was a great album. Looking forward to the next.

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Perhaps here may not be the appropriate thread, but has anyone else observed how the Stones' monthly listenership on Spotify seems to be dropping?

The last time the Stones were in the Billboard Top 200 was in early July 2024 with Hot Rocks, meaning they've gone more than 13 months without any album charting in the United States.

It's by far the worst performance of the streaming era (2010-2025), and the previous period with such a long absence was from 2008-2010 (Shine a Light until the reissue of Exile).

It's a very steep drop in popularity, especially in the United States, where Fleetwood Mac, Creedence, and Queen are immensely more popular than the Stones, just to name a few bands.

Another big factor on when this record is released is the backlog for vinyl records to be manufactured. Limited pressing plants around the world means even the Stones could be forced to wait a few months if not longer for the vinyl to be ready once they send it in to be pressed. And since vinyl sales are likely the biggest revenue maker for HD vs. streaming, that has to be a huge consideration in how they time a release.

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Perhaps here may not be the appropriate thread, but has anyone else observed how the Stones' monthly listenership on Spotify seems to be dropping?

The last time the Stones were in the Billboard Top 200 was in early July 2024 with Hot Rocks, meaning they've gone more than 13 months without any album charting in the United States.

It's by far the worst performance of the streaming era (2010-2025), and the previous period with such a long absence was from 2008-2010 (Shine a Light until the reissue of Exile).

It's a very steep drop in popularity, especially in the United States, where Fleetwood Mac, Creedence, and Queen are immensely more popular than the Stones, just to name a few bands.

I can see why there’s renewed interest in CCR, with Fogerty winning back the rights to his catalog and the excitement surrounding that.

I don’t know what they *should* be doing. I just know that doing nothing is not the answer.

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Perhaps here may not be the appropriate thread, but has anyone else observed how the Stones' monthly listenership on Spotify seems to be dropping?

The last time the Stones were in the Billboard Top 200 was in early July 2024 with Hot Rocks, meaning they've gone more than 13 months without any album charting in the United States.

It's by far the worst performance of the streaming era (2010-2025), and the previous period with such a long absence was from 2008-2010 (Shine a Light until the reissue of Exile).

It's a very steep drop in popularity, especially in the United States, where Fleetwood Mac, Creedence, and Queen are immensely more popular than the Stones, just to name a few bands.

I can see why there’s renewed interest in CCR, with Fogerty winning back the rights to his catalog and the excitement surrounding that.

I don’t know what they *should* be doing. I just know that doing nothing is not the answer.

If it's popularity you're concerned about, maybe doing nothing *is* the answer.
It works for Fleetwood Mac and Queen. And CCR is not bringing out any new material either, as far as I know. They are popular because of their hits from the past, their evergreens, without any later material overshadowing it.
The Stones' efforts over the past 40 years to bring out "new material", which in almost all cases was just the same old mainstream rock, without the "extra", without anything remotely calling attention or having any "edge", might have done more damage than good. Outside the Stones bubble few people take the Stones seriously. Too busy to motivate any nostalgia and too boring to create any enthusiasm.
I see it in ads for musicians: their influences are always Queen, CCR, Nirvana, Beatles even, but hardly ever Stones.
The Stones had a unique sound: not based on melodic pop songs (although they have made a few) and not pure, straight on the beat rock either. Groovy songs with an edge, was what they're good at. When people talk about the Stones, they hardly mention that so I'm not sure many picked up on all that. They mainly go on about "rebels" and "drugs" and all that nonsense. Still, I guess for most people "Sympathy" or "Miss You" or "Start Me Up" are typical Stones (and "Satisfaction" of course) but I guess they don't bring out the same nostalgia as Queen etc. do.

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The Stones' efforts over the past 40 years to bring out "new material", which in almost all cases was just the same old mainstream rock, without the "extra", without anything remotely calling attention or having any "edge", might have done more damage than good. Outside the Stones bubble few people take the Stones seriously. Too busy to motivate any nostalgia and too boring to create any enthusiasm.

It's just not true -Bridges to Babylon gained global attention, it was considered a good album by the critics, Anybody Seen My Baby got a lot of rotation on the MTV"s, and the following tour was a huge success without feeling too nostalgic.

Same for the Licks tour of 2003: huge media attention, the club/arena/stadium package received very positive reviews, and was a huge success without being to much of a nostalgia circus.

In my opinion, it wasn't until the Shine a Light movie, the deterioration of Keith after his fall, and the less than steller album A Bigger Bang and old age the Stones became less relevant and more of a nostalgia act.

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The Stones' efforts over the past 40 years to bring out "new material", which in almost all cases was just the same old mainstream rock, without the "extra", without anything remotely calling attention or having any "edge", might have done more damage than good. Outside the Stones bubble few people take the Stones seriously. Too busy to motivate any nostalgia and too boring to create any enthusiasm.

It's just not true -Bridges to Babylon gained global attention, it was considered a good album by the critics, Anybody Seen My Baby got a lot of rotation on the MTV"s, and the following tour was a huge success without feeling too nostalgic.

Same for the Licks tour of 2003: huge media attention, the club/arena/stadium package received very positive reviews, and was a huge success without being to much of a nostalgia circus.

In my opinion, it wasn't until the Shine a Light movie, the deterioration of Keith after his fall, and the less than steller album A Bigger Bang and old age the Stones became less relevant and more of a nostalgia act.

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How many people outside of the Stones bubble bought any of those albums, do you think? MTV itself stopped being popular long before Bridges came out.
Go out on the street and ask anyone (including if they're wearing a t-shirt with the Stones logo on it) if they can mention a song by the Stones. See what they say.

The Stones logo is similar to the Yankees logo in that just about everyone identifies with it but that doesn't mean they can tell you who plays lead guitar or first base.



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The Stones' efforts over the past 40 years to bring out "new material", which in almost all cases was just the same old mainstream rock, without the "extra", without anything remotely calling attention or having any "edge", might have done more damage than good. Outside the Stones bubble few people take the Stones seriously. Too busy to motivate any nostalgia and too boring to create any enthusiasm.

It's just not true -Bridges to Babylon gained global attention, it was considered a good album by the critics, Anybody Seen My Baby got a lot of rotation on the MTV"s, and the following tour was a huge success without feeling too nostalgic.

Same for the Licks tour of 2003: huge media attention, the club/arena/stadium package received very positive reviews, and was a huge success without being to much of a nostalgia circus.

In my opinion, it wasn't until the Shine a Light movie, the deterioration of Keith after his fall, and the less than steller album A Bigger Bang and old age the Stones became less relevant and more of a nostalgia act.

Mathijs

How many people outside of the Stones bubble bought any of those albums, do you think? MTV itself stopped being popular long before Bridges came out.
Go out on the street and ask anyone (including if they're wearing a t-shirt with the Stones logo on it) if they can mention a song by the Stones. See what they say.

B2B was a million seller, and the tour was over 100 sold out shows in huge stadiums. They played 5 tracks from the album as regulars in the set, with another 5 during the MSG gigs. Like a Rolling Stone was played a regular, a hit from two years before. They played rarities like Crazy Mama and Memory Motel as regulars. It wasn't until the last five tracks they would return to the Hot Rocks section.

I'd say that's quite successful for an 'unpopular' band.....

Ask any average person on the street if they know a Stones song and they will know Satisfaction, Paint it Black, Sympathy, Angie, Miss You and Start Me Up. Perhaps JJF, Brown Sugar, YCAGWYW.

No doubt about it.

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The Stones logo is similar to the Yankees logo in that just about everyone identifies with it but that doesn't mean they can tell you who plays lead guitar or first base.

Exactly. The same is true for Ramones t-shirts and - to a lesser extent - Guns & Roses. Get a good logo and who cares about the music?

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Ask any average person on the street if they know a Stones song and they will know Satisfaction, Paint it Black, Sympathy, Angie, Miss You and Start Me Up. Perhaps JJF, Brown Sugar, YCAGWYW.

No doubt about it.

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Exactly my point.

This thread has nearly 275,000 views. That shows that there's still a lot of interest in a new album.

Young people want their own music.I never bought a Frank Sinatra or Elvis album when I was 25 .Although I can hear and appreciate their greatness today .I am a big Beatles fan, even though I was 1 when they broke up. And I later bought their albums.Maybe because Paul was still making albums.I would be curious as to how many cds sold and how much streaming the music of Paul and Dylan have gotten in the last 40 years compared to the Stones.Also they have toured as much as the Stones the last 30 years.I bet the Stones have outsold them..I have not bought any Paul or Dylan album they made after 1980. I couldn’t tell you what songs Paul has released in the last 40 years.But I listen to Beatles albums all the time.I have not listened to any of Dylan since Infidels.I bet he sells less than the Stones.To me, Bridges and Diamonds are really good albums , especially Bridges.I listen to them a lot.

Rocker Paris posted this on their FB yesterday dor what it’s worth :

Good news comes with the start of school:
A new ROLLING STONES album before the end of the year
A European tour for June-July 2026 with a date at the Stade de France at the end of June.