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Of course! Despite being a geriatric, he’ll always remain the ‘youngster’ in the Stones, too!
That rag gets a lot of things wrong all the time. Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
I for one would pay for many more of those “noodles” so open the vaults!
Thanks Stoneage!
You would go bankrupt either way.
He already had a great "steady" job with Faces and was doing quite well.
Ronnie knew when to stop.
my impression is rather that the Faces were going nowhere in the mid-seventies when Rod became a big star.
Well, one definitely has to wonder how they'd have continued, with they other members also acting as Rod's backing group. No, it had to end, I think. Rod was just too big.
Have you heard the 75-76 tours? Arrangements/structures are literally exactly the same.
Nah, I've been avoiding all these new releases and stashing away money in the Mick Taylor Noodle Fund.
Well, it was Ronnie’s first tour, after all. I do think that - at times! - he was trying to channel his ‘inner-Mick Taylor’ Gimme Shelter, from LA ‘75, for example.
YCAGWYW is different. And the 75-76 Stones were generally a sloppy mess compared to 72-73, and in general the arrangements/structures haven't changed much with maybe the only exception being some songs got longer and longer to the point of ridiculousness. Tumbling Dice got slowed down in 75-76 but otherwise has been mostly consistent, although the outro has gotten extended a bit much post-1989/90.
SFTD is way different a few times.
However that's not what I meant. And there's not a whole lot of songs to compare Taylor and Wood to. Ronnie has played many more songs than Taylor did so it's limited.
Both have had great solos etc but Ronnie has absolutely excelled at destroying a lot of Taylor era solos (CYHMK is horrendous) or just poor execution at times. Although he's generally made Dead Flowers a clinic in lead/solo playing, at least in the 1990s.
I guess I misinterpreted your original comment.
Haven't listened to it in years. Will give it a play soon.
I think a lot of this "raping the songs" had to do with the heat of the moment and being coke fuelled. Not to be taken too serious. I like these interpretations a lot though.
They've certainly had some tours when they've levelled their own abilities.
1969 is the most obvious. 1973 they had 3 albums worth of new material and were certainly on top of their talents live but had already started slaughtering JJF and SFM, which never recovered.
1978 was... really good but 1981, Hampton, for example, is top notch.
1989? Maybe Atlantic City? 1990 boot 7th OF JULY is fantastic. That might be the best of all of the 1989-90 shows, although Start Me Up from Atlantic City PPV is still my all time favorite version but ATLANTIC CITY and 7th display a well oiled band performing at its highest level.
1997 St Louis was really good, a decent ways into the tour so they were well in shape, and the 2003 NYC PPV was fantastic - same thing, well into the tour.
Since then... I thought 2019 New Orleans was an excellent show in comparison to various Twenty Teens shows available for listening.
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50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Glimmerest
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Date: April 15, 2025 00:44
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: April 15, 2025 06:30
Oh my.
That's really something.
Maybe that's the reason for a (possible) BLACK AND BLUE deluxe?
Ronnie.
1975 - album in 1976 which... oops, already been done.
That's really something.
Maybe that's the reason for a (possible) BLACK AND BLUE deluxe?
Ronnie.
1975 - album in 1976 which... oops, already been done.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Send It To me
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Date: April 15, 2025 19:52
Still the new boy, ha.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: April 15, 2025 20:22
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Send It To me
Still the new boy, ha.
Of course! Despite being a geriatric, he’ll always remain the ‘youngster’ in the Stones, too!
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: April 15, 2025 22:02
"I knew those solos in my head. I could reproduce them, with tremendous respect for Mick," Wood told Rolling Stone. "Technically, I'm not as good a guitarist as Mick [Taylor] but the only way I can really f--- up is by being too loud. That is a sore point with Keith and Mick. I'd get my guitar wrapped 'round my head by Keith."
This is what makes me like Ron Wood. However, I still don't believe him when he said he can play anything Keith can!
This is what makes me like Ron Wood. However, I still don't believe him when he said he can play anything Keith can!
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
slewan
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Date: April 16, 2025 13:31
at least joing the Stones got Ronnie steady job (which also saved him from being forgotten and/or spending his days playing in backstreet bars)
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
MadMax
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Date: April 16, 2025 13:51
The article states that Ronnie became the new rhythm player, only soloing in rare outings like UOTN, Neighbours and Shattered.... Heeehheeheh.... 
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: April 16, 2025 19:28
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MadMax
The article states that Ronnie became the new rhythm player, only soloing in rare outings like UOTN, Neighbours and Shattered.... Heeehheeheh....
That rag gets a lot of things wrong all the time. Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Stoneage
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Date: April 16, 2025 20:04
Good timing on this one, Glimmerest!
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: April 16, 2025 22:34
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GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: April 16, 2025 22:52
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GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
I for one would pay for many more of those “noodles” so open the vaults!
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Glimmerest
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Date: April 16, 2025 23:59
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Stoneage
Good timing on this one, Glimmerest!
Thanks Stoneage!
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: April 17, 2025 00:58
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TravelinManQuote
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GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
I for one would pay for many more of those “noodles” so open the vaults!
You would go bankrupt either way.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
loog droog
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Date: April 17, 2025 04:17
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slewan
at least joing the Stones got Ronnie steady job (which also saved him from being forgotten and/or spending his days playing in backstreet bars)
He already had a great "steady" job with Faces and was doing quite well.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: April 17, 2025 08:54
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GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
Ronnie knew when to stop.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
slewan
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Date: April 17, 2025 13:15
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slewan
at least joing the Stones got Ronnie steady job (which also saved him from being forgotten and/or spending his days playing in backstreet bars)
He already had a great "steady" job with Faces and was doing quite well.
my impression is rather that the Faces were going nowhere in the mid-seventies when Rod became a big star.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: April 17, 2025 13:28
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slewan
at least joing the Stones got Ronnie steady job (which also saved him from being forgotten and/or spending his days playing in backstreet bars)
He already had a great "steady" job with Faces and was doing quite well.
my impression is rather that the Faces were going nowhere in the mid-seventies when Rod became a big star.
Well, one definitely has to wonder how they'd have continued, with they other members also acting as Rod's backing group. No, it had to end, I think. Rod was just too big.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: April 17, 2025 19:17
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GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
Ronnie knew when to stop.
Have you heard the 75-76 tours? Arrangements/structures are literally exactly the same.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: April 17, 2025 19:19
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GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
I for one would pay for many more of those “noodles” so open the vaults!
You would go bankrupt either way.
Nah, I've been avoiding all these new releases and stashing away money in the Mick Taylor Noodle Fund.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: April 17, 2025 19:49
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GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
Ronnie knew when to stop.
Have you heard the 75-76 tours? Arrangements/structures are literally exactly the same.
Well, it was Ronnie’s first tour, after all. I do think that - at times! - he was trying to channel his ‘inner-Mick Taylor’ Gimme Shelter, from LA ‘75, for example.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: April 17, 2025 20:43
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TravelinMan
Nah, I've been avoiding all these new releases and stashing away money in the Mick Taylor Noodle Fund.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: April 17, 2025 21:04
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TravelinManQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
TheflyingDutchmanQuote
GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
Ronnie knew when to stop.
Have you heard the 75-76 tours? Arrangements/structures are literally exactly the same.
YCAGWYW is different. And the 75-76 Stones were generally a sloppy mess compared to 72-73, and in general the arrangements/structures haven't changed much with maybe the only exception being some songs got longer and longer to the point of ridiculousness. Tumbling Dice got slowed down in 75-76 but otherwise has been mostly consistent, although the outro has gotten extended a bit much post-1989/90.
SFTD is way different a few times.
However that's not what I meant. And there's not a whole lot of songs to compare Taylor and Wood to. Ronnie has played many more songs than Taylor did so it's limited.
Both have had great solos etc but Ronnie has absolutely excelled at destroying a lot of Taylor era solos (CYHMK is horrendous) or just poor execution at times. Although he's generally made Dead Flowers a clinic in lead/solo playing, at least in the 1990s.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: April 17, 2025 21:21
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GasLightStreetQuote
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GasLightStreetQuote
TheflyingDutchmanQuote
GasLightStreet
Over the years Ronnie solos on quite a few songs live, even for songs that, studio wise, don't have solos!
Mick Taylor used to noodle all over the place, without Keith's permission. Even Ron Wood cannot top that.
Ronnie knew when to stop.
Have you heard the 75-76 tours? Arrangements/structures are literally exactly the same.
YCAGWYW is different. And the 75-76 Stones were generally a sloppy mess compared to 72-73, and in general the arrangements/structures haven't changed much with maybe the only exception being some songs got longer and longer to the point of ridiculousness. Tumbling Dice got slowed down in 75-76 but otherwise has been mostly consistent, although the outro has gotten extended a bit much post-1989/90.
SFTD is way different a few times.
However that's not what I meant. And there's not a whole lot of songs to compare Taylor and Wood to. Ronnie has played many more songs than Taylor did so it's limited.
Both have had great solos etc but Ronnie has absolutely excelled at destroying a lot of Taylor era solos (CYHMK is horrendous) or just poor execution at times. Although he's generally made Dead Flowers a clinic in lead/solo playing, at least in the 1990s.
I guess I misinterpreted your original comment.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 17, 2025 22:47
Well, all I can add to that is there are, still, times when I listen to live Taylor era songs and get to a point of stopping or skipping because of Taylor's excessive soloing like he's doing a wheely down the highway but it's on atrocious versions of JJF or SFM that are unbearable to listen to anyway so it doesn't matter.
In other words, his noodling matches the performance of the song, so his great soloing etc is listenable when the band plays well instead of freight training into disaster.
Same with Ronnie's leads. The guitar solo on CYHMK on LIVE LICKS is terrible and it makes it unlistenable (there are times, the Start Me Up solo, where it's just... WTF? and then there's that ridiculous tinkling sound that goes in and out, which was also audible during the early part of the PPV) or the aimlessness of Beast Of Burden. Worried About You is ok but LIVE LICKS is not a live album to listen to Ronnie (in hind site, the best tracks are Monkey Man and Keith's two on disc 2).
Taylor certainly had the best leads/solos. Taylor was such a fluid player, Ronnie sounds like an earthquake. Ronnie's basically got 4: YCAGWYW from LOVE YOU LIVE, Start Me Up from ATLANTIC CITY (on FLASHPOINT it's an overdub!!!), Dead Flowers on STRIPPED and Black Limousine from the 1995 single.
In regard to Ronnie's 50 years his best work has been in the studio, whether it's Beast Of Burden, Don't Stop, Out Of Tears, Shattered, UOTN, The Worst, No Spare Parts and loads of others where he plays various slide and not so much six-string playing (lead lines vs solos have been his better avenue like Don't Stop, UOTN and so on).
In other words, his noodling matches the performance of the song, so his great soloing etc is listenable when the band plays well instead of freight training into disaster.
Same with Ronnie's leads. The guitar solo on CYHMK on LIVE LICKS is terrible and it makes it unlistenable (there are times, the Start Me Up solo, where it's just... WTF? and then there's that ridiculous tinkling sound that goes in and out, which was also audible during the early part of the PPV) or the aimlessness of Beast Of Burden. Worried About You is ok but LIVE LICKS is not a live album to listen to Ronnie (in hind site, the best tracks are Monkey Man and Keith's two on disc 2).
Taylor certainly had the best leads/solos. Taylor was such a fluid player, Ronnie sounds like an earthquake. Ronnie's basically got 4: YCAGWYW from LOVE YOU LIVE, Start Me Up from ATLANTIC CITY (on FLASHPOINT it's an overdub!!!), Dead Flowers on STRIPPED and Black Limousine from the 1995 single.
In regard to Ronnie's 50 years his best work has been in the studio, whether it's Beast Of Burden, Don't Stop, Out Of Tears, Shattered, UOTN, The Worst, No Spare Parts and loads of others where he plays various slide and not so much six-string playing (lead lines vs solos have been his better avenue like Don't Stop, UOTN and so on).
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: April 17, 2025 23:02
Happy on LYL deserves a mention, imo.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 18, 2025 06:34
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DandelionPowderman
Happy on LYL deserves a mention, imo.
Haven't listened to it in years. Will give it a play soon.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: April 18, 2025 09:00
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GasLightStreet
Well, all I can add to that is there are, still, times when I listen to live Taylor era songs and get to a point of stopping or skipping because of Taylor's excessive soloing like he's doing a wheely down the highway but it's on atrocious versions of JJF or SFM that are unbearable to listen to anyway so it doesn't matter.
I think a lot of this "raping the songs" had to do with the heat of the moment and being coke fuelled. Not to be taken too serious. I like these interpretations a lot though.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: April 18, 2025 12:49
I love both incarnations of the band. I find 1975's LA ragged glory fantastic, with all the sleaze and coke fueled drama. Ronnie's playing is just utterly great. Same for Hampton 1981 -that to me remains the best show the Stones have ever done.
But now I am listening a lot to the Honululu shows from 1973 -what a band, what an energy, what a sound, and what a tremendous lead guitarist Taylor was. Inventive, melodic, technically advanced. Perhaps the greatest shows Taylor has done with the Stones.
Mathijs
But now I am listening a lot to the Honululu shows from 1973 -what a band, what an energy, what a sound, and what a tremendous lead guitarist Taylor was. Inventive, melodic, technically advanced. Perhaps the greatest shows Taylor has done with the Stones.
Mathijs
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 20, 2025 03:07
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Mathijs
I love both incarnations of the band. I find 1975's LA ragged glory fantastic, with all the sleaze and coke fueled drama. Ronnie's playing is just utterly great. Same for Hampton 1981 -that to me remains the best show the Stones have ever done.
But now I am listening a lot to the Honululu shows from 1973 -what a band, what an energy, what a sound, and what a tremendous lead guitarist Taylor was. Inventive, melodic, technically advanced. Perhaps the greatest shows Taylor has done with the Stones.
Mathijs
They've certainly had some tours when they've levelled their own abilities.
1969 is the most obvious. 1973 they had 3 albums worth of new material and were certainly on top of their talents live but had already started slaughtering JJF and SFM, which never recovered.
1978 was... really good but 1981, Hampton, for example, is top notch.
1989? Maybe Atlantic City? 1990 boot 7th OF JULY is fantastic. That might be the best of all of the 1989-90 shows, although Start Me Up from Atlantic City PPV is still my all time favorite version but ATLANTIC CITY and 7th display a well oiled band performing at its highest level.
1997 St Louis was really good, a decent ways into the tour so they were well in shape, and the 2003 NYC PPV was fantastic - same thing, well into the tour.
Since then... I thought 2019 New Orleans was an excellent show in comparison to various Twenty Teens shows available for listening.
Re: 50 Years Ago: How Joining the Rolling Stones Changed Ron Wood
Posted by:
Taylor1
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Date: April 20, 2025 03:30
I agree with most of what you say except for JJF and SFM .They have incredible rhythm and energy.Think 1975 was a great tour .As was 1989-1990.None of the 2003 shows are anywhere as good as 1989-1990.Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
Mathijs
I love both incarnations of the band. I find 1975's LA ragged glory fantastic, with all the sleaze and coke fueled drama. Ronnie's playing is just utterly great. Same for Hampton 1981 -that to me remains the best show the Stones have ever done.
But now I am listening a lot to the Honululu shows from 1973 -what a band, what an energy, what a sound, and what a tremendous lead guitarist Taylor was. Inventive, melodic, technically advanced. Perhaps the greatest shows Taylor has done with the Stones.
Mathijs
They've certainly had some tours when they've levelled their own abilities.
1969 is the most obvious. 1973 they had 3 albums worth of new material and were certainly on top of their talents live but had already started slaughtering JJF and SFM, which never recovered.
1978 was... really good but 1981, Hampton, for example, is top notch.
1989? Maybe Atlantic City? 1990 boot 7th OF JULY is fantastic. That might be the best of all of the 1989-90 shows, although Start Me Up from Atlantic City PPV is still my all time favorite version but ATLANTIC CITY and 7th display a well oiled band performing at its highest level.
1997 St Louis was really good, a decent ways into the tour so they were well in shape, and the 2003 NYC PPV was fantastic - same thing, well into the tour.
Since then... I thought 2019 New Orleans was an excellent show in comparison to various Twenty Teens shows available for listening.
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