Has anyone ever heard this song before by Turkish artist Erkin Koray? I just found this on YouTube, and some comments are that Mick Jagger has admitted in interviews that this song was an influence on "Paint It Black" (although posters are saying "ripped off," which I think is extreme). That could certainly be true, as the guitar in the beginning sounds similar, as does the humming part. Is anyone familiar with this song and Mick Jagger talking about it as an influence on "Paint It Black?

For some reason, the link shows up, not the video. How do you guys get to post the actual video?

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How do you guys get to post the actual video?

BV's info might help.
Your link works. Interesting.

Usually it works if you remove the "s" in https

There's definitely a similarity of that song but Paint It Black is absolutely different. Chuck Berry could've sued for Respectable or She Was Hot, right?

Sure. He would've lost.

Paint It Black do have an oriental sound. That is why it was the song making the best audience reaction at The Rolling Stones show in Istanbul Turkey 1998.

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Paint It Black do have an oriental sound. That is why it was the song making the best audience reaction at The Rolling Stones show in Istanbul Turkey 1998.

I really wish they had more songs like that. Paint it Black and Continental Drift are two of my very favorites of theirs.

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Paint It Black do have an oriental sound. That is why it was the song making the best audience reaction at The Rolling Stones show in Istanbul Turkey 1998.

I really wish they had more songs like that. Paint it Black and Continental Drift are two of my very favorites of theirs.

There's Can You Hear The Music and So Devine. Moonlight Mile.

Or do you mean the franticness of Paint It Black?

oh it definitely sounds like it inspired it (thanks for sharing)

but ripped off?

if this is how low the bar is for what we collectively consider stealing then almost nothing can be considering untainted by theft



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Chuck Berry could've sued for Respectable or She Was Hot, right?

Sure. He would've lost.

and rightfully so

yes both respectable and she was hot are clearly inspired by chuck berry's music (same with iorr, star star, and a million other examples from the stones)

but i'm struggling to see how they in some significant way resemble specific chuck berry songs

just remove the s in https so its http





by the way i have no idea why the link you posted won't show up here

but this one i copied from the address bar above the video you linked to seems to work just fine



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also everything else aside what a great song thank you for sharing it

now i'll have to look into getting some of this guy's music

and here's an english translation of the lyrics i found (i have no idea how accurate this is)

An Evening Of September

An evening of September, you came to me
An evening of September, you gave love to me
I saw you in the darkness
Please don't leave, give your hand to me

We will tell our fortunes
And tell what is on our future
Together with you
As we walk on the meadows

An evening of September, you came to me
An evening of September, you gave love to me

I present you
A little bouquet
Of fallen leaves
Please accept this

It gave me the worlds
To be closer to you
Now I am in love
And I say "How great it is to be alive"

An evening of September, you came to me
An evening of September, you gave love to me

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The Diana Ross and the Supremes song, My World is Empty Without You, has a similar melody to Paint it Black.Not sure which song came first.

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The Diana Ross and the Supremes song, My World is Empty Without You, has a similar melody to Paint it Black.Not sure which song came first.

december 29, 1965 so a couple months before paint it black

i do hear some similarities

I think it would be an endless task to compile all recordings that sound similar to one another. Those posted, here, have similarities to Paint It, Black; though whether the Stones’ song was an influence, we’d only know from the songwriter. Of course, the Supremes’ track was released earlier.

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I think it would be an endless task to compile all recordings that sound similar to one another. Those posted, here, have similarities to Paint It, Black; though whether the Stones’ song was an influence, we’d only know from the songwriter. Of course, the Supremes’ track was released earlier.

Yes, but Paint it Black sounds more like the Supremes song than Anybody Seen My Baby sounds like Constant Craving, or My Sweet Lord sounds like She’s So Fine.But Bang the Gong sounds a lot like It’s Only rock n Roll



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Chuck Berry could've sued for Respectable or She Was Hot, right?

Sure. He would've lost.

and rightfully so

yes both respectable and she was hot are clearly inspired by chuck berry's music (same with iorr, star star, and a million other examples from the stones)

but i'm struggling to see how they in some significant way resemble specific chuck berry songs

That's the point - just as they didn't rip off that song for Paint It Black those two songs don't resemble specific Chuck Berry songs other than the Chuck chug a lug, which all of Respectable is, as well as that style is in a quite a few others songs, or the Berry-esque intro of She Was Hot and yeah, obviously, Star Star.

I can't think of any other Stones songs that start like Chuck than Star Star and She Was Hot.

Their live version of IORR is Chuck Berry-esque but the studio recording is zero.

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Chuck Berry could've sued for Respectable or She Was Hot, right?

Sure. He would've lost.

and rightfully so

yes both respectable and she was hot are clearly inspired by chuck berry's music (same with iorr, star star, and a million other examples from the stones)

but i'm struggling to see how they in some significant way resemble specific chuck berry songs

That's the point - just as they didn't rip off that song for Paint It Black those two songs don't resemble specific Chuck Berry songs other than the Chuck chug a lug, which all of Respectable is, as well as that style is in a quite a few others songs, or the Berry-esque intro of She Was Hot and yeah, obviously, Star Star.

I can't think of any other Stones songs that start like Chuck than Star Star and She Was Hot.

Their live version of IORR is Chuck Berry-esque but the studio recording is zero.

oh ok

then i agree with you

and yes your right i was confusing the live version of iorr with the studio version

The studio version of IORR sounds like Bang the Gong

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The studio version of IORR sounds like Bang the Gong

very much so

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The studio version of IORR sounds like Bang the Gong

very much so

Yeah, but not as much as Oasis’ Cigarettes & Alcohol! To Noel’s credit, he’ll readily admit to pinching others’ work

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The studio version of IORR sounds like Bang the Gong

very much so

Yeah, but not as much as Oasis’ Cigarettes & Alcohol! To Noel’s credit, he’ll readily admit to pinching others’ work

i was unfamiliar with that song since as you know the musicans i prefer are either 80 or have been dead for 80 years

so i looked it up and wow

if someone had played me that song without telling me what it was i would have sworn it was a cover iorr up until the vocals started

The whole Eastern sound in UK pop in 1965/66 basically came out of the introduction of the sitar on The Beatles' Norwegian Wood and also its widespread use on Donovan's Sunshine Superman album, especially the title track.

Both of those artists were hugely influential in establishing this new direction.

There was also a general cultural move towards the exotic in 1965/66 in terms of fashion, home furnishings, travel to Asia, and especially cuisine with curry becoming a new favourite in the major UK cities.

This had come from Britain's empirical connections to the Indian sub-continent and in the early to mid-60s many of the veery hip amongst the counter culture would travel to Asia.

Eastern sounds also became a sonic representation of tripped out grooviness, so much so that by the end of 1967 it was almost de riguer for any hip band to include exotic Asian instruments on their singles and albums.

Some pop records that featured a very Eastern influence at this time were:

When I listen to all these examples the first thing I notice (Paint it black included)is that I hardly hear any Indian scales or eastern rhythm approach. The Sitar or Vina is there but that's it. So in a way this "eastern" influence is more some sort of "show off", a fashionable thing to do. The first western musician who brought in eastern music to western music, both scales, harmony and rhythm was John McLauhghlin with Shakti. There might be a few more, but in the 6-tees it really was just some sort of LSD related cult thing to do . Nothing wrong with paint it black though.


"John McLaughlin has given us so many different facets of the guitar and introduced thousands of us to world music, by blending Indian music with jazz and classical. I'd say he was the best guitarist alive."

-Jeff Beck.

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The studio version of IORR sounds like Bang the Gong

very much so

Yeah, but not as much as Oasis’ Cigarettes & Alcohol! To Noel’s credit, he’ll readily admit to pinching others’ work

The Oasis song other than the opening guitars doesn’t sound like IORR.But IORR sounds like Bang the Gong.The chorus of both songs even start at44 seconds.



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The studio version of IORR sounds like Bang the Gong

very much so

Yeah, but not as much as Oasis’ Cigarettes & Alcohol! To Noel’s credit, he’ll readily admit to pinching others’ work

The Oasis song other than the opening guitars doesn’t sound like IORR.But IORR sounds like Bang the Gong.The chorus of both songs even start at44 seconds.

I don’t think Cigarettes & Alcohol sounds like IORR, but it is a steal from Bolan’s Bang A Gong; Noel Gallagher readily admits to it!

Nah, it's all Bach:

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(Very interesting topic/thread.)

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Nah, it's all Bach:

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(Very interesting topic/thread.)

I like the counterpoint but I doubt very much that Bach ever made it to India, let alone listened to the Rolling Stones.

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I think it would be an endless task to compile all recordings that sound similar to one another. Those posted, here, have similarities to Paint It, Black; though whether the Stones’ song was an influence, we’d only know from the songwriter. Of course, the Supremes’ track was released earlier.

Yes, but Paint it Black sounds more like the Supremes song than Anybody Seen My Baby sounds like Constant Craving, or My Sweet Lord sounds like She’s So Fine.But Bang the Gong sounds a lot like It’s Only rock n Roll

You have it the wrong way round. If there are similarities, it’s that It’s Only Rock ‘n Roll (But I Like It) sounds a little like T.Rex’s ‘Get it On’ The latter was recorded first, after all. It’s a better song, as well.

This sounds like My World Is Empty Without You.

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This sounds like My World Is Empty Without You.

Christ, it does!

Thank you for posting the video. Takes me back to 2002, when I was a long-haired teenager, engrossed with the NME. The Coral had some great tunes!