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We all like different things. That's a good thing.
Btw, you don't have to lecture me about Mandel. I know his stuff
I think you're missing the point with the «he can do what the other guy can do»-argument. A lot of people can play the notes and chords that Ronnie and Keith play, that's true. However, how come they always sound way off when they try?
The same thing can be said about Charlie and Bill. There are musicians all over the world who can play circles around them. But still do not sound as good when trying to do the job...
I guess that is a common truth about the Stones in general. It is not about technical excellence (we can include Brian and Mick as a singer as well). It is just that Taylor was an exception to a rule. He was great in a traditional sense. And still today that role - Brian's original position - seems to be the one that is open to variance and interpretation, and is not that fixed like the rest (positions). All of them - Brian, Taylor and Ronnie - are so different as musicians. But all of them are Rolling Stones, no doubt.
- Doxa
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Right, that's my point.
Not trying to lecture you, but you reduced his career to tapping and "what songs did he write?"
I don't think that's fair. He's a very accomplished guitarist who is still being interviewed evidently.
Because they're amateurs? Because they're not in Open G? Many bar bands make this mistake, actually.
I don't even agree with it BTW. I honestly don't think Wood can play everything Richards can play and I've always thought that comment was pompous and from an inflated ego. That's why I never get upset if people knock Wood down a notch. Plus he's said some pretty ugly stuff about Mick Taylor over the years when I've never heard anything negative from MT regarding Wood.
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A friend's dad once said: "Ronnie Wood is the best of the bad classic rock guitarists"
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That’s the way I rate chicken wings
His solo for Start Me Up 1989-90 tours was, mostly, excellent. Atlantic City was exceptional, as was everything else he played in the song. His rolling and lagging lines and riffs are fantastic. Never better since. Outstanding.
[www.youtube.com]
And Maggie May is, dare I say it, the perfect example of this. It's such a tasteful, melodious little solo; with nice playing throughout.
finally....SOME SANITY!
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Well, Wayne Perkins actually got the job. He played with them in Rotterdam and Munich, lived with Keith for a couple of weeks, and was asked to do the tour with them. It was only when Wood became available as the Faces were breaking up that they offered him the job.
Mathijs
I've listened to a bunch of his albums and I don't hear tapping, especially not an overuse of it. I know that's where Van Halen got it from, but I don't see why that's relevant.
Like I said earlier, listen to Some Girls. There are swirly modulation effects all over that album. I don't think he would have stuck out because he used a Uni-Vibe and occasionally a Wah pedal.
Ooh La La is a great song BTW. So is IORR. Mandel is an instrumentalist so it's apples to oranges.
HOWEVER, I am NOT saying Mandel would have been a better fit for the Stones. I think he would have played with them for a few years and left. So Wood was the right choice for the bands THIRD guitarist. They didn't want to go through the same process of firing a member and the embarrassment of a member quitting. So Wood was the safe and logical choice, especially considering he and Richards were very close at the time. It does make sense to me Jagger wanted to continue in the direction he was going, where it actually made more sense to hire Wood and take a step back to the basics musically.
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He might have developed taste over time, but there was a period when he immediately joined the band where he tried too hard to fill Taylor's shoes and most definitely overplayed. He's not a six minute soloist. He just isn't, and that's fine. I'm glad it came to him (or somebody told him) and he altered his approach.
I don't find anything he did technically challenging, but maybe I'm missing something. Have any examples I should try? I just remember a lot of tremolo picking (for the "fast" parts) and lack of vibrato. I've never been a fan of his tone either, but that's subjective.
IMO, Beast of Burden is his best work with the Stones.
Absolutely - he fits 100%.
Yes, like the LA '75 show. It really sounds like he's trying desperately to unleash his inner Mick Taylor. By the '78 tour, we've got the Ronnie will know today.
Well, no overplay on Black and Blue, that is for sure! Basic rhythm on Baby, great riff and bridge on Negrita, great outro on Mama.
Taste? Loads of examples since the Faces years, in particular in studio. I've Got My Album ... shows a maturity that is not easy to find in a 26 year old rock and roller.
True that at times in the 75 tour he had to fill Taylor's shoes, What else could he have done? He had just joined the band and the live arrangements of the majority of the songs had been developed with Taylor on board!
Already by the time of Knebworth and Mocambo his playing is much more focused and personal.
As far as "technically challenging" playing, it very much depends on what kind of guitarist you are or you like. If you are into John McLaughlin, probably Wood might sound "easy". Yet, as I noted in some other thread, when it was Satriani who filled Woods shoes (Micks She's the Boss tour), for sure the Stones songs don't sound any better to me (rather the contrary).
For sure his guitarwork on the whole Some Girls Lp is very competent, interesting, original and not easy to replicate with the same feel and rhythm.
Same can be said of all the Marconi songs.
I agree that Burden is one of his best!
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True, there are moments on LA 1975 Gimme Shelters (and they are always just moments) where you would think it's Mick Taylor.
But Ronnie plays only in phrases, Taylor plays in paragraphs or chapters -- coherent beginnings, middles and endings.
That said, I enjoy Ronnie's three-second licks as much as anyone's -- you could say there's no one better, if you have the patience to wait for them to occur.
This is them...sometimes you can make a masterpiece, sometimes it's better not to listen again, but that's what I like about the two of them.
Ronnie is not the classic guitarist who does long solos, I think he doesn't like to do it.
But in the Faces he did it, he was the only guitarist, however even in the Faces Ronnie was more rhythmic than lead.
However, I find it hateful to judge a guitarist for his solos, the rhythm is the most important part.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: February 19, 2025 09:45
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Category C? Funny
This is how Ronnie played round the time they hired him:
[www.youtube.com]
I'll take the «category C» over Mandel's tapping any day. Which memorable songs did he write, and how come I'm not more drawn to his work, if he was so special? He did good on Hot Stuff, I'll give him that, though. But I can't see how the Stones would have benefitted that style over a long career.
Nah, this is just jealousy.
I couldn't get through that. Too many bad Santana-isms. C+ IMO, not that it matters because it's good you like it.
It also doesn't matter if you don't like Mandel's work, plenty of others do. He was cutting it up in Chicago's Southside with TRUE bluesmen, played Woodstock, and played with John Mayall. His solo stuff is really interesting and he was doing a lot of experimentation.
Kind of like how Wood said he can do what Richards can, but not the other way around. Mandel can do what Wood can do, but not the other way around.
We all like different things. That's a good thing.
Btw, you don't have to lecture me about Mandel. I know his stuff
I think you're missing the point with the «he can do what the other guy can do»-argument. A lot of people can play the notes and chords that Ronnie and Keith play, that's true. However, how come they always sound way off when they try?
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: February 19, 2025 14:06
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DandelionPowderman
I think you're missing the point with the «he can do what the other guy can do»-argument. A lot of people can play the notes and chords that Ronnie and Keith play, that's true. However, how come they always sound way off when they try?
The same thing can be said about Charlie and Bill. There are musicians all over the world who can play circles around them. But still do not sound as good when trying to do the job...
I guess that is a common truth about the Stones in general. It is not about technical excellence (we can include Brian and Mick as a singer as well). It is just that Taylor was an exception to a rule. He was great in a traditional sense. And still today that role - Brian's original position - seems to be the one that is open to variance and interpretation, and is not that fixed like the rest (positions). All of them - Brian, Taylor and Ronnie - are so different as musicians. But all of them are Rolling Stones, no doubt.
- Doxa
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Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Kurt
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Date: February 19, 2025 16:20
"It was Keith who @#$%& me up"...
Thank you to Keith!
Thank you to Keith!
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: February 19, 2025 17:52
Wow. It's getting worse and worse for Harvey Mandel. He's looking more and more of a shuttered old complaining fool. "Not to brag"... what a jerk. It's obvious why Keith didn't want him in the Stones - he's beyond arrogant.
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Send It To me
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Date: February 19, 2025 18:02
Outrageous slander! Ronnie is not a C+ player. He's clearly B-.
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: February 19, 2025 23:44
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
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Category C? Funny
This is how Ronnie played round the time they hired him:
[www.youtube.com]
I'll take the «category C» over Mandel's tapping any day. Which memorable songs did he write, and how come I'm not more drawn to his work, if he was so special? He did good on Hot Stuff, I'll give him that, though. But I can't see how the Stones would have benefitted that style over a long career.
Nah, this is just jealousy.
I couldn't get through that. Too many bad Santana-isms. C+ IMO, not that it matters because it's good you like it.
It also doesn't matter if you don't like Mandel's work, plenty of others do. He was cutting it up in Chicago's Southside with TRUE bluesmen, played Woodstock, and played with John Mayall. His solo stuff is really interesting and he was doing a lot of experimentation.
Kind of like how Wood said he can do what Richards can, but not the other way around. Mandel can do what Wood can do, but not the other way around.
We all like different things. That's a good thing.
Right, that's my point.
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DandelionPowderman
Btw, you don't have to lecture me about Mandel. I know his stuff
Not trying to lecture you, but you reduced his career to tapping and "what songs did he write?"
I don't think that's fair. He's a very accomplished guitarist who is still being interviewed evidently.
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DandelionPowderman
I think you're missing the point with the «he can do what the other guy can do»-argument. A lot of people can play the notes and chords that Ronnie and Keith play, that's true. However, how come they always sound way off when they try?
Because they're amateurs? Because they're not in Open G? Many bar bands make this mistake, actually.
I don't even agree with it BTW. I honestly don't think Wood can play everything Richards can play and I've always thought that comment was pompous and from an inflated ego. That's why I never get upset if people knock Wood down a notch. Plus he's said some pretty ugly stuff about Mick Taylor over the years when I've never heard anything negative from MT regarding Wood.
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Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: February 19, 2025 23:51
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GasLightStreet
Wow. It's getting worse and worse for Harvey Mandel. He's looking more and more of a shuttered old complaining fool. "Not to brag"... what a jerk. It's obvious why Keith didn't want him in the Stones - he's beyond arrogant.
A friend's dad once said: "Ronnie Wood is the best of the bad classic rock guitarists"
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Taylor1
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Date: February 20, 2025 04:03
Keith is unique.I think what he does playing riffs and his sense of rhythm would be hard to replicate.With respect to to Wood, people forget how big Rod Stewart and to a lesser degree the Faces werewhen they picked Wood.Stewart was like Mick’smainrival.I think Jagger liked the idea of stealing away a Stewart’s guitarist.AndI think Mick and Keith want to be incorporate some of the Faces kind of party atmosphere music into the Stones.You can see it on the1975 tourQuote
TravelinManQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
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DandelionPowderman
Category C? Funny
This is how Ronnie played round the time they hired him:
[www.youtube.com]
I'll take the «category C» over Mandel's tapping any day. Which memorable songs did he write, and how come I'm not more drawn to his work, if he was so special? He did good on Hot Stuff, I'll give him that, though. But I can't see how the Stones would have benefitted that style over a long career.
Nah, this is just jealousy.
I couldn't get through that. Too many bad Santana-isms. C+ IMO, not that it matters because it's good you like it.
It also doesn't matter if you don't like Mandel's work, plenty of others do. He was cutting it up in Chicago's Southside with TRUE bluesmen, played Woodstock, and played with John Mayall. His solo stuff is really interesting and he was doing a lot of experimentation.
Kind of like how Wood said he can do what Richards can, but not the other way around. Mandel can do what Wood can do, but not the other way around.
We all like different things. That's a good thing.
Right, that's my point.Quote
DandelionPowderman
Btw, you don't have to lecture me about Mandel. I know his stuff
Not trying to lecture you, but you reduced his career to tapping and "what songs did he write?"
I don't think that's fair. He's a very accomplished guitarist who is still being interviewed evidently.Quote
DandelionPowderman
I think you're missing the point with the «he can do what the other guy can do»-argument. A lot of people can play the notes and chords that Ronnie and Keith play, that's true. However, how come they always sound way off when they try?
Because they're amateurs? Because they're not in Open G? Many bar bands make this mistake, actually.
I don't even agree with it BTW. I honestly don't think Wood can play everything Richards can play and I've always thought that comment was pompous and from an inflated ego. That's why I never get upset if people knock Wood down a notch. Plus he's said some pretty ugly stuff about Mick Taylor over the years when I've never heard anything negative from MT regarding Wood.
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Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
roundnround
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Date: February 20, 2025 04:46
Mandel sounds like an angry, bitter man. Good thing he was not chosen. If not Ronnie Wood, Wayne Perkins would have been a much better choice. But Ronnie is great!
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
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More Hot Rocks
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Date: February 20, 2025 05:10
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Send It To me
Outrageous slander! Ronnie is not a C+ player. He's clearly B-.
That’s the way I rate chicken wings
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: February 20, 2025 08:37
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roundnround
Mandel sounds like an angry, bitter man. Good thing he was not chosen. If not Ronnie Wood, Wayne Perkins would have been a much better choice. But Ronnie is great!
His solo for Start Me Up 1989-90 tours was, mostly, excellent. Atlantic City was exceptional, as was everything else he played in the song. His rolling and lagging lines and riffs are fantastic. Never better since. Outstanding.
[www.youtube.com]
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: February 20, 2025 10:34
<I don't think that's fair. He's a very accomplished guitarist who is still being interviewed evidently>
Of course he is. He is a very good guitar player. However, he is known for tapping and (over)use of electronic effects. So, in this context, with this interview, it wasn't really unfair to mention that, imo.
And Mandel never wrote or played on (or sang!) big songs like Ooh La La or Stay With Me, songs that people really remember. Getting input from a top notch songwriter was probably a plus when they considered Ronnie, too.
It was the Stones Mandel wanted to join, so there probably were a lot of abilities that came as a pre-requisite for him before he could be considered - also things that didn't have to do with technical abilities as a musician.
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Of course he is. He is a very good guitar player. However, he is known for tapping and (over)use of electronic effects. So, in this context, with this interview, it wasn't really unfair to mention that, imo.
And Mandel never wrote or played on (or sang!) big songs like Ooh La La or Stay With Me, songs that people really remember. Getting input from a top notch songwriter was probably a plus when they considered Ronnie, too.
It was the Stones Mandel wanted to join, so there probably were a lot of abilities that came as a pre-requisite for him before he could be considered - also things that didn't have to do with technical abilities as a musician.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-02-20 10:35 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: February 20, 2025 10:40
Would anyone agree that Maggie May is Ronnie's most iconic, well-known solo?
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: February 20, 2025 13:09
The magic to Ron Wood for me is that his guitar playing sounds so simple but when you want to copy it, it turns out to be much more complicated. His playing in 1975, 1978 and 1981 is actually much more technically advanced, much faster and much more intricate than you think on first listen. And Wood has taste -he always plays the right part to a track, especially when they play soul ballads and the kind. He plays what the song demands, and not flashy things to show how good he is.
Mathijs
Mathijs
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: February 20, 2025 13:11
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Mathijs
The magic to Ron Wood for me is that his guitar playing sounds so simple but when you want to copy it, it turns out to be much more complicated. His playing in 1975, 1978 and 1981 is actually much more technically advanced, much faster and much more intricate than you think on first listen. And Wood has taste -he always plays the right part to a track, especially when they play soul ballads and the kind. He plays what the song demands, and not flashy things to show how good he is.
Mathijs
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: February 20, 2025 13:21
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Mathijs
The magic to Ron Wood for me is that his guitar playing sounds so simple but when you want to copy it, it turns out to be much more complicated. His playing in 1975, 1978 and 1981 is actually much more technically advanced, much faster and much more intricate than you think on first listen. And Wood has taste -he always plays the right part to a track, especially when they play soul ballads and the kind. He plays what the song demands, and not flashy things to show how good he is.
Mathijs
And Maggie May is, dare I say it, the perfect example of this. It's such a tasteful, melodious little solo; with nice playing throughout.
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Rip This
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Date: February 20, 2025 13:35
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Mathijs
The magic to Ron Wood for me is that his guitar playing sounds so simple but when you want to copy it, it turns out to be much more complicated. His playing in 1975, 1978 and 1981 is actually much more technically advanced, much faster and much more intricate than you think on first listen. And Wood has taste -he always plays the right part to a track, especially when they play soul ballads and the kind. He plays what the song demands, and not flashy things to show how good he is.
Mathijs
finally....SOME SANITY!
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Testify
()
Date: February 20, 2025 13:35
This whole audition thing always seemed ridiculous to me.
They wanted to finish their album and needed some guitar contributions, that was an excuse to get these "collaborations" for free.
I don't think they ever really thought about these guitarists, as possible replacements for Taylor, they wanted Ronnie (even after Brian left they wanted Ronnie), they always wanted Ronnie, because they thought he was the most suitable, a good character, a friend of both Keith and Mick, he could help with the writing of the songs if they needed it and he had the same philosophy of rock and roll as them.
The problem was that Ronnie was still in the Faces, but they also knew that Rod S.'s intention was to have his own solo career, so it was only a matter of time.
It is said that Ronnie was also present at those "stupid" auditions, but Ronnie had already played with both Keith and Mick, he had also written IORR with Mick what was the need to audition. None.
This is demonstrated by the fact that they immediately asked Ronnie to play on the 75 tour, but he was still on tour with the Faces, however they made the end of the Faces tour coincide with the beginning of the Stones tour.
But Ronnie was asked already in 69 to join the RS, but it is said that he did not answer the phone but Rod S. or someone else from the Faces and said no.
They wanted to finish their album and needed some guitar contributions, that was an excuse to get these "collaborations" for free.
I don't think they ever really thought about these guitarists, as possible replacements for Taylor, they wanted Ronnie (even after Brian left they wanted Ronnie), they always wanted Ronnie, because they thought he was the most suitable, a good character, a friend of both Keith and Mick, he could help with the writing of the songs if they needed it and he had the same philosophy of rock and roll as them.
The problem was that Ronnie was still in the Faces, but they also knew that Rod S.'s intention was to have his own solo career, so it was only a matter of time.
It is said that Ronnie was also present at those "stupid" auditions, but Ronnie had already played with both Keith and Mick, he had also written IORR with Mick what was the need to audition. None.
This is demonstrated by the fact that they immediately asked Ronnie to play on the 75 tour, but he was still on tour with the Faces, however they made the end of the Faces tour coincide with the beginning of the Stones tour.
But Ronnie was asked already in 69 to join the RS, but it is said that he did not answer the phone but Rod S. or someone else from the Faces and said no.
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
caschimann
()
Date: February 20, 2025 13:58
Quote
Testify
This whole audition thing always seemed ridiculous to me.
They wanted to finish their album and needed some guitar contributions, that was an excuse to get these "collaborations" for free.
I don't think they ever really thought about these guitarists, as possible replacements for Taylor, they wanted Ronnie (even after Brian left they wanted Ronnie), they always wanted Ronnie, because they thought he was the most suitable, a good character, a friend of both Keith and Mick, he could help with the writing of the songs if they needed it and he had the same philosophy of rock and roll as them.
The problem was that Ronnie was still in the Faces, but they also knew that Rod S.'s intention was to have his own solo career, so it was only a matter of time.
It is said that Ronnie was also present at those "stupid" auditions, but Ronnie had already played with both Keith and Mick, he had also written IORR with Mick what was the need to audition. None.
This is demonstrated by the fact that they immediately asked Ronnie to play on the 75 tour, but he was still on tour with the Faces, however they made the end of the Faces tour coincide with the beginning of the Stones tour.
But Ronnie was asked already in 69 to join the RS, but it is said that he did not answer the phone but Rod S. or someone else from the Faces and said no.
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Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: February 20, 2025 14:07
Quote
Testify
This whole audition thing always seemed ridiculous to me.
They wanted to finish their album and needed some guitar contributions, that was an excuse to get these "collaborations" for free.
I don't think they ever really thought about these guitarists, as possible replacements for Taylor, they wanted Ronnie (even after Brian left they wanted Ronnie), they always wanted Ronnie, because they thought he was the most suitable, a good character, a friend of both Keith and Mick, he could help with the writing of the songs if they needed it and he had the same philosophy of rock and roll as them.
The problem was that Ronnie was still in the Faces, but they also knew that Rod S.'s intention was to have his own solo career, so it was only a matter of time.
It is said that Ronnie was also present at those "stupid" auditions, but Ronnie had already played with both Keith and Mick, he had also written IORR with Mick what was the need to audition. None.
This is demonstrated by the fact that they immediately asked Ronnie to play on the 75 tour, but he was still on tour with the Faces, however they made the end of the Faces tour coincide with the beginning of the Stones tour.
But Ronnie was asked already in 69 to join the RS, but it is said that he did not answer the phone but Rod S. or someone else from the Faces and said no.
Well, Wayne Perkins actually got the job. He played with them in Rotterdam and Munich, lived with Keith for a couple of weeks, and was asked to do the tour with them. It was only when Wood became available as the Faces were breaking up that they offered him the job.
Mathijs
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
()
Date: February 20, 2025 14:18
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DandelionPowderman
Of course he is. He is a very good guitar player. However, he is known for tapping and (over)use of electronic effects. So, in this context, with this interview, it wasn't really unfair to mention that, imo.
And Mandel never wrote or played on (or sang!) big songs like Ooh La La or Stay With Me, songs that people really remember. Getting input from a top notch songwriter was probably a plus when they considered Ronnie, too.
It was the Stones Mandel wanted to join, so there probably were a lot of abilities that came as a pre-requisite for him before he could be considered - also things that didn't have to do with technical abilities as a musician.
I've listened to a bunch of his albums and I don't hear tapping, especially not an overuse of it. I know that's where Van Halen got it from, but I don't see why that's relevant.
Like I said earlier, listen to Some Girls. There are swirly modulation effects all over that album. I don't think he would have stuck out because he used a Uni-Vibe and occasionally a Wah pedal.
Ooh La La is a great song BTW. So is IORR. Mandel is an instrumentalist so it's apples to oranges.
HOWEVER, I am NOT saying Mandel would have been a better fit for the Stones. I think he would have played with them for a few years and left. So Wood was the right choice for the bands THIRD guitarist. They didn't want to go through the same process of firing a member and the embarrassment of a member quitting. So Wood was the safe and logical choice, especially considering he and Richards were very close at the time. It does make sense to me Jagger wanted to continue in the direction he was going, where it actually made more sense to hire Wood and take a step back to the basics musically.
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Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
TravelinMan
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Date: February 20, 2025 14:28
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Mathijs
The magic to Ron Wood for me is that his guitar playing sounds so simple but when you want to copy it, it turns out to be much more complicated. His playing in 1975, 1978 and 1981 is actually much more technically advanced, much faster and much more intricate than you think on first listen. And Wood has taste -he always plays the right part to a track, especially when they play soul ballads and the kind. He plays what the song demands, and not flashy things to show how good he is.
Mathijs
He might have developed taste over time, but there was a period when he immediately joined the band where he tried too hard to fill Taylor's shoes and most definitely overplayed. He's not a six minute soloist. He just isn't, and that's fine. I'm glad it came to him (or somebody told him) and he altered his approach.
I don't find anything he did technically challenging, but maybe I'm missing something. Have any examples I should try? I just remember a lot of tremolo picking (for the "fast" parts) and lack of vibrato. I've never been a fan of his tone either, but that's subjective.
IMO, Beast of Burden is his best work with the Stones.
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
tomcat2006
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Date: February 20, 2025 14:31
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RiffKichards
All these years since 1975 have shown that Ron Wood was the best possible choice.
He was born to be a Rolling Stones.
Absolutely - he fits 100%.
Re: Harvey Mandel about Ronnie Wood
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: February 20, 2025 14:32
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TravelinManQuote
Mathijs
The magic to Ron Wood for me is that his guitar playing sounds so simple but when you want to copy it, it turns out to be much more complicated. His playing in 1975, 1978 and 1981 is actually much more technically advanced, much faster and much more intricate than you think on first listen. And Wood has taste -he always plays the right part to a track, especially when they play soul ballads and the kind. He plays what the song demands, and not flashy things to show how good he is.
Mathijs
He might have developed taste over time, but there was a period when he immediately joined the band where he tried too hard to fill Taylor's shoes and most definitely overplayed. He's not a six minute soloist. He just isn't, and that's fine. I'm glad it came to him (or somebody told him) and he altered his approach.
I don't find anything he did technically challenging, but maybe I'm missing something. Have any examples I should try? I just remember a lot of tremolo picking (for the "fast" parts) and lack of vibrato. I've never been a fan of his tone either, but that's subjective.
IMO, Beast of Burden is his best work with the Stones.
Yes, like the LA '75 show. It really sounds like he's trying desperately to unleash his inner Mick Taylor. By the '78 tour, we've got the Ronnie will know today.
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Date: February 20, 2025 19:10
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He might have developed taste over time, but there was a period when he immediately joined the band where he tried too hard to fill Taylor's shoes and most definitely overplayed. He's not a six minute soloist. He just isn't, and that's fine. I'm glad it came to him (or somebody told him) and he altered his approach.
I don't find anything he did technically challenging, but maybe I'm missing something. Have any examples I should try? I just remember a lot of tremolo picking (for the "fast" parts) and lack of vibrato. I've never been a fan of his tone either, but that's subjective.
IMO, Beast of Burden is his best work with the Stones.
Well, no overplay on Black and Blue, that is for sure! Basic rhythm on Baby, great riff and bridge on Negrita, great outro on Mama.
Taste? Loads of examples since the Faces years, in particular in studio. I've Got My Album ... shows a maturity that is not easy to find in a 26 year old rock and roller.
True that at times in the 75 tour he had to fill Taylor's shoes, What else could he have done? He had just joined the band and the live arrangements of the majority of the songs had been developed with Taylor on board!
Already by the time of Knebworth and Mocambo his playing is much more focused and personal.
As far as "technically challenging" playing, it very much depends on what kind of guitarist you are or you like. If you are into John McLaughlin, probably Wood might sound "easy". Yet, as I noted in some other thread, when it was Satriani who filled Woods shoes (Micks She's the Boss tour), for sure the Stones songs don't sound any better to me (rather the contrary).
For sure his guitarwork on the whole Some Girls Lp is very competent, interesting, original and not easy to replicate with the same feel and rhythm.
Same can be said of all the Marconi songs.
I agree that Burden is one of his best!
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Date: February 20, 2025 19:29
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Yes, like the LA '75 show. It really sounds like he's trying desperately to unleash his inner Mick Taylor. By the '78 tour, we've got the Ronnie will know today.
True, there are moments on LA 1975 Gimme Shelters (and they are always just moments) where you would think it's Mick Taylor.
But Ronnie plays only in phrases, Taylor plays in paragraphs or chapters -- coherent beginnings, middles and endings.
That said, I enjoy Ronnie's three-second licks as much as anyone's -- you could say there's no one better, if you have the patience to wait for them to occur.
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Date: February 20, 2025 22:18
From a certain point on Keith and Ronnie try to intertwine with the guitars, Ronnie always tries to understand where Keith is going to intertwine. Sometimes the result is really effective, but both improvise a lot, they never do a single the same.Quote
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Yes, like the LA '75 show. It really sounds like he's trying desperately to unleash his inner Mick Taylor. By the '78 tour, we've got the Ronnie will know today.
True, there are moments on LA 1975 Gimme Shelters (and they are always just moments) where you would think it's Mick Taylor.
But Ronnie plays only in phrases, Taylor plays in paragraphs or chapters -- coherent beginnings, middles and endings.
That said, I enjoy Ronnie's three-second licks as much as anyone's -- you could say there's no one better, if you have the patience to wait for them to occur.
This is them...sometimes you can make a masterpiece, sometimes it's better not to listen again, but that's what I like about the two of them.
Ronnie is not the classic guitarist who does long solos, I think he doesn't like to do it.
But in the Faces he did it, he was the only guitarist, however even in the Faces Ronnie was more rhythmic than lead.
However, I find it hateful to judge a guitarist for his solos, the rhythm is the most important part.
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