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I could not agree more. Well said. There should not even be a discussion about an organization that bases their decisions solely on subjective opinions, tastes in music. I would even go as far as saying that it should not even matter how popular an artist is (fan vote). You cannot compare the popularity of Mariah Carey with Chubby Checker or Roberta Flack. Who sells more albums? I do not even trust these fan votes. Remember our favourite band doing fan votes? Ah.
And let's just say... calling this organization Rock & Roll Hall of Fame instead of Music Hall of fame shows how ridiculous this whole thing is. You cannot confuse Rock & Roll with Rap. Chuck Berry did not record rap songs and had nothing to do with what we today call Rap.
As far as I know, only two bands/artists being inducted stood up and spoke out against this organization. Steve Miller and the Sex Pistols. I could hardly believe that no one who goes on stage to accept their award has said anything in support of all those bands/artists who have not been inducted but clearly should have. Mind boggling ignorance.
I wasn't aware that Dionne Warwick was in, actually. Walk On By is absolutely an all-time classic, but is that really enough to induct someone? I can't name anything else by her. In my opinion, Joe Cocker is the more credible; especially Up Where We Belong >
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Check this out Big Al. Class act.
Steppenwolf is a very curious case. They check all the imaginary boxes, hits, hit albums, wrote lots of their music, highly influential, some consider them heavy metal founders, performed live at high levels, etc...
Only one thing sticks out to me. John Kaye is not the kind of guys to take s*** from anyone. Jan (the creep) Wenner would be the type of guy that wouldnt like John Kaye. Just my conjecture and wild speculation.
I've never heard the case for Joe Cocker being because he doesn't write his own songs. I think they just didn't like him enough, and again as a fan I'd put him in now with who they've put in otherwise, but I wouldn't really consider him a true HOFamer, same way I wouldn't consider Jethro Tull one. But I would consider Iron Maiden one.
As for Steppenwolf, I could easily be an agree to disagree situation. They have the two big hits, a decent other catalogue, but I wouldn't overstate their popularity or importance. They were never playing huge places, I don't really hear anyone cite them as an influence (certainly not more than JUST Born To Be Wild), and don't have "hit" albums. 90% of people can't name an album by Steppenwolf, whereas I could understand the argument for people like Jethro Tull because people know Aqualung the album.
They're a little divisive, in how they represent themselves.
You need to do a little soul searching I think, if you're outpolled by over 50% when ranked against Chubby Checker and Joy Division.
I think the Gallagher's 'laddism' of old, is an off-putting trait to many Americans.
I'm from Europe and I also don't really understand the whole newlad culture thing
'Laddism' isn't such a thing, here, in the U.K. in 2025. In the 90's however, Oasis, Stella Artois ('wife-beater'), and the film, Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels, was all the rage. It was a cultural-shift in the U.K., with magazines, such as Loaded, playing their part, too. Oasis were a huge part of the movement. I was too young, of course.
Three Dog Night had 21 consecutive top 40 hits. 3 number ones. 11 top 10's and 12 gold albums.
and they are not in. What a shame.
I don’t think they are, no. Bad Company were a far bigger deal, stateside, than in the U.K. I’m not sure if Free made any inroads in America, except possibly with All Right Now. Certainly, Free make more sense, for me. However, the R&R HOF is American and incredibly U.S. centric.
Yeah, but Iron Maiden are not in, either.
Lots of iconic metal acts seem excluded
Soundgarden is king, especially on the HOF list.
J Geils is awesome, not disagreeing. Three Dog is good. Neither were really Earth moving, though.
Why Oasis is on the list is bizarre.
Is Phish rock'n'roll? Kinda?
Cyndi Lauper? Well, compared to Mariah Carey, yes.
Outkast - love 'em but... no.
Joy Division + New Order: Goth godfathers? Absolutely.
Seeing what a joke the RNRHOF is. Oops. They don't even spell it correctly. RARHOF.
It is extremely entertaining that it's in the most forgotten Northeast city in the history of the United States.
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Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: February 26, 2025 03:01
well i can't argue with that
well done
well done
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
loog droog
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Date: February 26, 2025 09:37
Like Joe Cocker when he died, I'm sure most people assumed that Roberta Flack had already been inducted when they read the news of her passing.
I'm certain someday she will be.
It's an embarrassment to the HoF that she wasn't included during her lifetime.
I'm certain someday she will be.
It's an embarrassment to the HoF that she wasn't included during her lifetime.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Glimmerest
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Date: February 26, 2025 20:59
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loog droog
Like Joe Cocker when he died, I'm sure most people assumed that Roberta Flack had already been inducted when they read the news of her passing.
I'm certain someday she will be.
It's an embarrassment to the HoF that she wasn't included during her lifetime.
Yeah I'm surprised to learn she isn't
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
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Date: February 26, 2025 23:33
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loog droog
Like Joe Cocker when he died, I'm sure most people assumed that Roberta Flack had already been inducted when they read the news of her passing.
I'm certain someday she will be.
It's an embarrassment to the HoF that she wasn't included during her lifetimquote]
Dionne Warwick just got in last year but she many more hits than Roberta. I hope she will someday.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
RollingFreak
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Date: February 26, 2025 23:46
It's a HOF tradition to ignore deserving people until they die, then suddenly the Hall wakes up.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Swayed1967
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Date: February 27, 2025 08:32
Forget about the perennial bitch fits about the latest inductees, as a concept, the RnR Hall of Fame is stupid. You can’t quantify bands/artists with statistics like you can athletes. End of story. It should be butt-@#$%& out of existence.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
frenki09
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Date: February 27, 2025 09:05
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timmyj3
I totally agree on the Monkees being a huge part of the TV and AM radio era which was a huge step in the evolution of rock n roll. Almost all of the 60's and early 70's lighter weight bands have been ignored with prejudice. I dont understand why these groups that we all watched every weekend on Ed Sullivan and Dick Clark and many other hit TV shows are completely ignored. But yet we have someone like Mariah Carey who is a complete made up TV type star doing Christmas shows across the USA. Just makes me chuckle.
I disagree with almost everything about the rock n roll hall of fame and it is basically invisible to me. As a regular Joe all I can do is ignore t and give them none of my money. I have had several chances to go and always stand my ground and say I will not. (every other year I have a trade show in Cleveland)
My yearly rant is finished.
I could not agree more. Well said. There should not even be a discussion about an organization that bases their decisions solely on subjective opinions, tastes in music. I would even go as far as saying that it should not even matter how popular an artist is (fan vote). You cannot compare the popularity of Mariah Carey with Chubby Checker or Roberta Flack. Who sells more albums? I do not even trust these fan votes. Remember our favourite band doing fan votes? Ah.
And let's just say... calling this organization Rock & Roll Hall of Fame instead of Music Hall of fame shows how ridiculous this whole thing is. You cannot confuse Rock & Roll with Rap. Chuck Berry did not record rap songs and had nothing to do with what we today call Rap.
As far as I know, only two bands/artists being inducted stood up and spoke out against this organization. Steve Miller and the Sex Pistols. I could hardly believe that no one who goes on stage to accept their award has said anything in support of all those bands/artists who have not been inducted but clearly should have. Mind boggling ignorance.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
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More Hot Rocks
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Date: February 27, 2025 17:31
I read somewhere that Joe Cocker hasn’t been inducted yet because he didn’t write any of his music. Neither did Dionne Warwick and she is in.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: February 27, 2025 17:46
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More Hot Rocks
I read somewhere that Joe Cocker hasn’t been inducted yet because he didn’t write any of his music. Neither did Dionne Warwick and she is in.
I wasn't aware that Dionne Warwick was in, actually. Walk On By is absolutely an all-time classic, but is that really enough to induct someone? I can't name anything else by her. In my opinion, Joe Cocker is the more credible; especially Up Where We Belong >
<Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
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Date: February 27, 2025 18:32
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Big AlQuote
More Hot Rocks
I read somewhere that Joe Cocker hasn’t been inducted yet because he didn’t write any of his music. Neither did Dionne Warwick and she is in.
I wasn't aware that Dionne Warwick was in, actually. Walk On By is absolutely an all-time classic, but is that really enough to induct someone? I can't name anything else by her. In my opinion, Joe Cocker is the more credible; especially Up Where We Belong >
Check this out Big Al. Class act.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
RSbestbandever
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Date: February 27, 2025 18:42
Steppenwolf most definitely needs to be in. Period. Their catalog is full of songs that while not the popularity of the two mega hits still had a solid influence on listeners and fans of the band. Of course, that's just my opinion but they certainly need to be in the RR Hall Of Fame.
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Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
timmyj3
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Date: February 27, 2025 19:02
Quote
RSbestbandever
Steppenwolf most definitely needs to be in. Period. Their catalog is full of songs that while not the popularity of the two mega hits still had a solid influence on listeners and fans of the band. Of course, that's just my opinion but they certainly need to be in the RR Hall Of Fame.
Steppenwolf is a very curious case. They check all the imaginary boxes, hits, hit albums, wrote lots of their music, highly influential, some consider them heavy metal founders, performed live at high levels, etc...
Only one thing sticks out to me. John Kaye is not the kind of guys to take s*** from anyone. Jan (the creep) Wenner would be the type of guy that wouldnt like John Kaye. Just my conjecture and wild speculation.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
RollingFreak
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Date: February 27, 2025 19:36
Many people have. Off the top of my head, I believe Metallica did, as well as KISS. Others have done so in the media because they were inducted forever ago and didn't know these other people would never get the chance. Billy Joel being very vocal about Joe Cocker.Quote
frenki09
I could hardly believe that no one who goes on stage to accept their award has said anything in support of all those bands/artists who have not been inducted but clearly should have. Mind boggling ignorance.
I've never heard the case for Joe Cocker being because he doesn't write his own songs. I think they just didn't like him enough, and again as a fan I'd put him in now with who they've put in otherwise, but I wouldn't really consider him a true HOFamer, same way I wouldn't consider Jethro Tull one. But I would consider Iron Maiden one.
As for Steppenwolf, I could easily be an agree to disagree situation. They have the two big hits, a decent other catalogue, but I wouldn't overstate their popularity or importance. They were never playing huge places, I don't really hear anyone cite them as an influence (certainly not more than JUST Born To Be Wild), and don't have "hit" albums. 90% of people can't name an album by Steppenwolf, whereas I could understand the argument for people like Jethro Tull because people know Aqualung the album.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Glimmerest
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Date: March 3, 2025 16:32
I really don't get how Oasis is so low
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: March 3, 2025 17:25
Quote
Glimmerest
I really don't get how Oasis is so low
They're a little divisive, in how they represent themselves.
You need to do a little soul searching I think, if you're outpolled by over 50% when ranked against Chubby Checker and Joy Division.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: March 3, 2025 17:30
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treaclefingersQuote
Glimmerest
I really don't get how Oasis is so low
They're a little divisive, in how they represent themselves.
You need to do a little soul searching I think, if you're outpolled by over 50% when ranked against Chubby Checker and Joy Division.
I think the Gallagher's 'laddism' of old, is an off-putting trait to many Americans.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Glimmerest
()
Date: March 3, 2025 18:20
Quote
Big AlQuote
treaclefingersQuote
Glimmerest
I really don't get how Oasis is so low
They're a little divisive, in how they represent themselves.
You need to do a little soul searching I think, if you're outpolled by over 50% when ranked against Chubby Checker and Joy Division.
I think the Gallagher's 'laddism' of old, is an off-putting trait to many Americans.
I'm from Europe and I also don't really understand the whole newlad culture thing
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: March 3, 2025 18:25
Quote
GlimmerestQuote
Big AlQuote
treaclefingersQuote
Glimmerest
I really don't get how Oasis is so low
They're a little divisive, in how they represent themselves.
You need to do a little soul searching I think, if you're outpolled by over 50% when ranked against Chubby Checker and Joy Division.
I think the Gallagher's 'laddism' of old, is an off-putting trait to many Americans.
I'm from Europe and I also don't really understand the whole newlad culture thing
'Laddism' isn't such a thing, here, in the U.K. in 2025. In the 90's however, Oasis, Stella Artois ('wife-beater'), and the film, Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels, was all the rage. It was a cultural-shift in the U.K., with magazines, such as Loaded, playing their part, too. Oasis were a huge part of the movement. I was too young, of course.
OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
bye bye johnny
()
Date: March 6, 2025 22:55
Paul McCartney Backs Joe Cocker for Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction
Cocker is up for the Class of 2025 alongside 13 more nominees.
By Rania Aniftos
Marc 3, 2025
[www.billboard.com]
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Cocker is up for the Class of 2025 alongside 13 more nominees.
By Rania Aniftos
Marc 3, 2025
[www.billboard.com]
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Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
RollingFreak
()
Date: March 6, 2025 23:09
What a strange letter, and so very Paul McCartney lol. There's an element that I'd think someone wrote it for him, but it also seems so sincerely curt that I wouldn't be shocked to find its actually him.
What's funny to me is in the three paragraphs, its a letter of recommendation but read to me as:
-I am Paul McCartney. We all know who I am and my suggestion should mean a hell of a lot.
-Joe Cocker covered one of our songs. And the producer was good too. (not really sure in the brief amount he's writing why the Denny comment is even necessary. Even funnier to me that there's no mention of the fact that, IMO but I thought most people, the reason Joe's rendition is so good is With A Little Help From My Friends is kinda this throwaway track for Ringo. Its cute, and its fine, but that's about it. Joe made it an epic and a rally cry, and made it the song that I'd argue most people think of when they think of title)
-We all know how good Joe Cocker is. (again, hilarious to me, because clearly the Hall has never felt Joe actually IS that great, otherwise he'd be in the Hall. Its not like no one knows who he is. This panel knows Joe Cocker and feels he was whatever.
His heart is obviously in the right place (though it feels, similar to his Foreigner nomination, someone asks him to do these things and he just says yes cause why does he care if everyone gets in. I believe his message about Foreigner was "WTF", which doesn't actually convey anything), but as someone who just listened to Mad Dogs and Englishmen the other day, there's a ton you COULD say about Joe to make a convincing argument and it feels like he wrote this when he was already late for dinner.
What's funny to me is in the three paragraphs, its a letter of recommendation but read to me as:
-I am Paul McCartney. We all know who I am and my suggestion should mean a hell of a lot.
-Joe Cocker covered one of our songs. And the producer was good too. (not really sure in the brief amount he's writing why the Denny comment is even necessary. Even funnier to me that there's no mention of the fact that, IMO but I thought most people, the reason Joe's rendition is so good is With A Little Help From My Friends is kinda this throwaway track for Ringo. Its cute, and its fine, but that's about it. Joe made it an epic and a rally cry, and made it the song that I'd argue most people think of when they think of title)
-We all know how good Joe Cocker is. (again, hilarious to me, because clearly the Hall has never felt Joe actually IS that great, otherwise he'd be in the Hall. Its not like no one knows who he is. This panel knows Joe Cocker and feels he was whatever.
His heart is obviously in the right place (though it feels, similar to his Foreigner nomination, someone asks him to do these things and he just says yes cause why does he care if everyone gets in. I believe his message about Foreigner was "WTF", which doesn't actually convey anything), but as someone who just listened to Mad Dogs and Englishmen the other day, there's a ton you COULD say about Joe to make a convincing argument and it feels like he wrote this when he was already late for dinner.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
maidenlane
()
Date: March 6, 2025 23:53
Any new "Hall of Fame" is going to face a choice between two dilemmas. Too few inductees or too many. Given the annual event format they all use, when you start, you are going to be "behind" and have to play catch-up.
No one can resist catching up too fast, since it brings big money and attention to induct all the obvious big names. (And you get to party with them in New York at the event.)
Unless you then radically reduce the pace, you end up with tons of unexceptional inductees, a point that was passed long ago. The honor has been rendered entirely meaningless. It's now more of an insult NOT to be in than an honor to be in.
Would you want someone in 100 years randomly picking one and deciding whether or not to explore rock music based on that one random inductee's music? Is even ONE worthy future inductee being minted each year? Is one even being minted per decade these days?
It's not like sports, where by definition someone is the best player each season. There are currently over 350 inductees, after 39 years.
A limit of three inductees per year (one historical roots and two "modern") would have been a wiser course. But it wouldn't have been as much fun or as lucrative for those doing the work of creating the HOF.
Read the list and weep: [rockhall.com]
No one can resist catching up too fast, since it brings big money and attention to induct all the obvious big names. (And you get to party with them in New York at the event.)
Unless you then radically reduce the pace, you end up with tons of unexceptional inductees, a point that was passed long ago. The honor has been rendered entirely meaningless. It's now more of an insult NOT to be in than an honor to be in.
Would you want someone in 100 years randomly picking one and deciding whether or not to explore rock music based on that one random inductee's music? Is even ONE worthy future inductee being minted each year? Is one even being minted per decade these days?
It's not like sports, where by definition someone is the best player each season. There are currently over 350 inductees, after 39 years.
A limit of three inductees per year (one historical roots and two "modern") would have been a wiser course. But it wouldn't have been as much fun or as lucrative for those doing the work of creating the HOF.
Read the list and weep: [rockhall.com]
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Shott
()
Date: March 7, 2025 03:47
Great calls on the thread:
J. Geils
Three Dog Night.
Better than any group on current list.
J. Geils
Three Dog Night.
Better than any group on current list.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
bitusa2012
()
Date: March 8, 2025 16:53
Bad Company? Are Free in the HoF already, then?
Rod
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Rod
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Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
()
Date: March 8, 2025 18:56
Quote
Shott
Great calls on the thread:
J. Geils
Three Dog Night.
Better than any group on current list.
Three Dog Night had 21 consecutive top 40 hits. 3 number ones. 11 top 10's and 12 gold albums.
and they are not in. What a shame.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: March 8, 2025 19:12
Quote
bitusa2012
Bad Company? Are Free in the HoF ahead, then?
I don’t think they are, no. Bad Company were a far bigger deal, stateside, than in the U.K. I’m not sure if Free made any inroads in America, except possibly with All Right Now. Certainly, Free make more sense, for me. However, the R&R HOF is American and incredibly U.S. centric.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: March 8, 2025 19:13
Quote
More Hot RocksQuote
Shott
Great calls on the thread:
J. Geils
Three Dog Night.
Better than any group on current list.
Three Dog Night had 21 consecutive top 40 hits. 3 number ones. 11 top 10's and 12 gold albums.
and they are not in. What a shame.
Yeah, but Iron Maiden are not in, either.
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
Glimmerest
()
Date: March 8, 2025 19:32
Quote
Big AlQuote
More Hot RocksQuote
Shott
Great calls on the thread:
J. Geils
Three Dog Night.
Better than any group on current list.
Three Dog Night had 21 consecutive top 40 hits. 3 number ones. 11 top 10's and 12 gold albums.
and they are not in. What a shame.
Yeah, but Iron Maiden are not in, either.
Lots of iconic metal acts seem excluded
Re: OT: 2025 Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: March 9, 2025 21:27
Quote
Shott
Great calls on the thread:
J. Geils
Three Dog Night.
Better than any group on current list.
Soundgarden is king, especially on the HOF list.
J Geils is awesome, not disagreeing. Three Dog is good. Neither were really Earth moving, though.
Why Oasis is on the list is bizarre.
Is Phish rock'n'roll? Kinda?
Cyndi Lauper? Well, compared to Mariah Carey, yes.
Outkast - love 'em but... no.
Joy Division + New Order: Goth godfathers? Absolutely.
Seeing what a joke the RNRHOF is. Oops. They don't even spell it correctly. RARHOF.
It is extremely entertaining that it's in the most forgotten Northeast city in the history of the United States.
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