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I've 1,737 rumoured tours up to 1987, I'd like to update it
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It's a bunch of things. Venue rental is possibly the biggest issue. They played Wrigley twice, with around 40,000 per show. That's not that many people compared to a football stadium yet the last 20 years or whatever the Stones and U2 are only getting, on average, it seems, about 40,000 for a stadium show.
Mostly because of the size and location of the stage.
Perhaps, though, the backbone reason is connection and in an arena that's way easier it seems.
I think you might be missing the point, Keith's loyalty is with the Stones, he'd rather play with the Stones and wait until Mick's ready to tour.
Mick tours with the Stones because that's where the big pay days are.
But if the Stones don't tour this year because there isn't enough profit then Keith knows next year won't be any different in Europe.
So Keith might want to do a few solo shows to keep his fingers moving and because he might want to play while he still can. Time isn't on their side and even Keith can get fed up with living a perpetual holiday in the sun.
He didn't tour with Crosseyed Heart because the Stones remained active.
As for fitness, he doesn't smoke or drink now and as a result his voice is stronger, he said it himself.
Willie Nelson is still doing it in his 90's, McCartney and Clapton are still doing it, don't assume Keith's limitations, let's wait and see, hopefully Ronnie does something too.
Source ?
There was another MJ besides Mick Jagger who announced a series of concerts at London's O2 Arena... that wasn't a success...
Matt, source on this?
Renovation of Munich Olympiastadion starts in October, so there still would be a chance to play there let's say in September. (And even Barcelona might have finished the renovation of the their football stadium until September)
He’d have to coax Bill and Mick Taylor out of retirement, though.
Stade de France (Paris), Wembley in mid-September, Olympiastadion Munich (one last hurrah before renovation), the Montjuic stadium in Barcelona (if the football team do start playing at the new Camp Nou as expected), possibly the Sevilla stadium (subject to Real Betis not having 'moved there due to their stadium renovations), Cardiff Principality stadium (with roof), presumably Zurich Letzigrund... there's a few to go at and fill September at least. They also played the Amsterdam stadium on 30 Sep 2017 (and Parken, Copenhagen 3 October) so plenty is possible.
The only thing going against the Wembley option is that Oasis and Coldplay (and a few others) are playing what feels like '100's' of gigs there this year, already. Not sure if there is an absolute limit. There is an International Football weekend in early September, where a club football stadium could possibly be used e.g. Berlin?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-02-02 13:57 by StonesSmeth99.
One of my dream scenarios that sadly didn’t happen since the New Barbarians would be for Keith and Ronnie to tour.
Keith plays for half an hour solo, Ronnie relieves Keith for half an hour while Ronnie plays his set.
Then for the last 30 or 40 minutes Keith and Ronnie sing and play together with guest stars joining in.
Can't believe it never happened when the Stones were inactive.
It's still not too late though.
And not to forget: Waldbühne
Twickenham is pretty empty most of the year.
why? continue...
Probably didn't help at least
I wrote this before - I think like in 2023 Mick wants to finish the next album before touring. It mnay be about their legacy - an album lasts for decades, a Tour for a few weeks.
That is not new, it has been like this for decades, 90% of the decisions to tour happen if Mick feels like it or wants to do it, the rest accompanies his decisions and waits.
Again, everyone is free to do things on their own, organize tours or concerts with and wherever they want but they don't, the only option is a stadium tour with the Rolling Stones, nothing will change now.
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Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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bye bye johnny
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Date: February 2, 2025 02:31
Some very good insight shared in the last couple of days. Thanks, bv, StonesSoCal, lickskeith, Halup and georgelicks.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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colonial
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Date: February 2, 2025 02:37
Does anyone have the stats on how many Stones Rumoured Tours from 1962 - 2025
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Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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colonial
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Date: February 2, 2025 03:39
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colonial
Does anyone have the stats on how many Stones Rumoured Tours from 1962 - 2025
I've 1,737 rumoured tours up to 1987, I'd like to update it
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Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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NashvilleBlues
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Date: February 2, 2025 03:57
Logistics, money, whatever it is, it made me wonder why some bands (Pearl Jam currently, for example) play the same arena two times in three days as opposed to playing a stadium once. Is it because an arena stage is cheaper? Is it because they are expecting people to go to both shows, therefore selling more tickets?
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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bitusa2012
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Date: February 2, 2025 04:06
It can’t be about The Stones profit.
“You mean we’re only going to make $50m each? No pull the pin. I’m happy with …$0”
Rod
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“You mean we’re only going to make $50m each? No pull the pin. I’m happy with …$0”
Rod
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Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: February 2, 2025 04:23
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NashvilleBlues
Logistics, money, whatever it is, it made me wonder why some bands (Pearl Jam currently, for example) play the same arena two times in three days as opposed to playing a stadium once. Is it because an arena stage is cheaper? Is it because they are expecting people to go to both shows, therefore selling more tickets?
It's a bunch of things. Venue rental is possibly the biggest issue. They played Wrigley twice, with around 40,000 per show. That's not that many people compared to a football stadium yet the last 20 years or whatever the Stones and U2 are only getting, on average, it seems, about 40,000 for a stadium show.
Mostly because of the size and location of the stage.
Perhaps, though, the backbone reason is connection and in an arena that's way easier it seems.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
stereomanic
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Date: February 2, 2025 09:22
To postpone the entire tour by a year seems like some sort of cop out.
Plus it's The Rolling Stones, I think they need new promoters. If you can't schedule a tour for the greatest living band on earth then they're clearly not up to the job.
"Sorry, we had a few snags in the schedule so let's wait until Mick and Keef are yet another year older. Hopefully they'll make 83." Doesn't really make any sense whatsoever. The album promotion is kinda dead by then too.
I'm not speculating anything but just seems like a very big cop out. Did Mick really say, "oh well yeah never mind we'll put it on ice for another year?" He obviously likes to stay pretty "match fit". For a band going into their 80s time isn't exactly on their side. Bizzare.
Outside of touring they should just do 10 nights in London. Let people come to them which they will. Any venue in London would do it.
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Plus it's The Rolling Stones, I think they need new promoters. If you can't schedule a tour for the greatest living band on earth then they're clearly not up to the job.
"Sorry, we had a few snags in the schedule so let's wait until Mick and Keef are yet another year older. Hopefully they'll make 83." Doesn't really make any sense whatsoever. The album promotion is kinda dead by then too.
I'm not speculating anything but just seems like a very big cop out. Did Mick really say, "oh well yeah never mind we'll put it on ice for another year?" He obviously likes to stay pretty "match fit". For a band going into their 80s time isn't exactly on their side. Bizzare.
Outside of touring they should just do 10 nights in London. Let people come to them which they will. Any venue in London would do it.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-02-02 09:25 by stereomanic.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
longvehicle
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Date: February 2, 2025 10:38
It's a pity that it happened this way. But it was clear in December that Europe would be overloaded with concerts in the summer. They could have played in Japan in the spring or in Latin America in the fall. Apparently, it wasn't meant to be.
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Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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keefriffhards
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Date: February 2, 2025 11:39
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Bob is terrible on his legs now, when i saw him last year he could hardly walk, but still,, mostly at the piano he was great, vocally and on harmonica.
Keith performs with ease for 2 hours with the Stones, with the help of another vocalist to take the lead on some tracks Keith could perform for 90 minutes with the Winos.
Let's face it Keith can do a lot of ballads and people will still go home happy.
If he gets bored and wants to do some solo shows I'm sure he can still do it, he's looking fitter lately too.
So you say that after 32+ years, Keith will reform the Winos and play a 1,5 hour show/tour from nowhere?
He didn't play a single show when his last solo album was released almost 10 years ago, why now with 81 years?
If he gets bored at home he will go on vacations at the Caribean or by train in Europe, maybe a guest appearence during 5-10 minutes every once in a while, all the touring activy he does now (and from the last 30 years, actually) is wait to Mick if he want to tour, that's it.
On Keith's favor, Mick does the same, he can tour with any band solo anytime but he doesn't want to, only 1 solo show in 2001 during 30-40 minutes in 32 years and less than half dozen of guest apearences in that period (1993-2025) the last one during 6 minutes with Taylor Swift almost 10 years ago.
The reality is hard to accept.
I think you might be missing the point, Keith's loyalty is with the Stones, he'd rather play with the Stones and wait until Mick's ready to tour.
Mick tours with the Stones because that's where the big pay days are.
But if the Stones don't tour this year because there isn't enough profit then Keith knows next year won't be any different in Europe.
So Keith might want to do a few solo shows to keep his fingers moving and because he might want to play while he still can. Time isn't on their side and even Keith can get fed up with living a perpetual holiday in the sun.
He didn't tour with Crosseyed Heart because the Stones remained active.
As for fitness, he doesn't smoke or drink now and as a result his voice is stronger, he said it himself.
Willie Nelson is still doing it in his 90's, McCartney and Clapton are still doing it, don't assume Keith's limitations, let's wait and see, hopefully Ronnie does something too.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: February 2, 2025 11:58
A couple of points:
Leave it for another year? They’ll be a year older. They’re already ancient.
Reschedule for the autumn of 2025? What U.K. and European stadiums are available during the football season?
I’d love some arena shows, but would it be profitable enough? They’d either have to perform a lot more shows, or charge through the nose.
Leave it for another year? They’ll be a year older. They’re already ancient.
Reschedule for the autumn of 2025? What U.K. and European stadiums are available during the football season?
I’d love some arena shows, but would it be profitable enough? They’d either have to perform a lot more shows, or charge through the nose.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
Matt1984
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Date: February 2, 2025 12:23
Contracts were all signed apart from Mick, who refused to sign. Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
powerage78
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Date: February 2, 2025 12:50
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Matt1984
Contracts were all signed apart from Mick, who refused to sign. Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Source ?
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
NilsHolgersson
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Date: February 2, 2025 12:51
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stereomanic
Outside of touring they should just do 10 nights in London. Let people come to them which they will. Any venue in London would do it.
There was another MJ besides Mick Jagger who announced a series of concerts at London's O2 Arena... that wasn't a success...
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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tiffanyblu
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Date: February 2, 2025 12:56
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Matt1984
Contracts were all signed apart from Mick, who refused to sign. Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Matt, source on this?
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
Taylor1
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Date: February 2, 2025 13:15
Keith ought to do some shows with Wood and Mick Taylor.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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Taylor1
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Date: February 2, 2025 13:16
Keith ought to do some shows with Wood Mick Taylor and Bill
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-02-02 13:17 by Taylor1.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
Stoneswolf
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Date: February 2, 2025 13:17
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Big Al
A couple of points:
Leave it for another year? They’ll be a year older. They’re already ancient.
Reschedule for the autumn of 2025? What U.K. and European stadiums are available during the football season?
I’d love some arena shows, but would it be profitable enough? They’d either have to perform a lot more shows, or charge through the nose.
Renovation of Munich Olympiastadion starts in October, so there still would be a chance to play there let's say in September. (And even Barcelona might have finished the renovation of the their football stadium until September)
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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Big Al
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Date: February 2, 2025 13:27
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Taylor1
Keith ought to do some shows with Wood Mick Taylor and Bill
He’d have to coax Bill and Mick Taylor out of retirement, though.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
StonesSmeth99
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Date: February 2, 2025 13:49
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Big Al
A couple of points:
Leave it for another year? They’ll be a year older. They’re already ancient.
Reschedule for the autumn of 2025? What U.K. and European stadiums are available during the football season?
I’d love some arena shows, but would it be profitable enough? They’d either have to perform a lot more shows, or charge through the nose.
Stade de France (Paris), Wembley in mid-September, Olympiastadion Munich (one last hurrah before renovation), the Montjuic stadium in Barcelona (if the football team do start playing at the new Camp Nou as expected), possibly the Sevilla stadium (subject to Real Betis not having 'moved there due to their stadium renovations), Cardiff Principality stadium (with roof), presumably Zurich Letzigrund... there's a few to go at and fill September at least. They also played the Amsterdam stadium on 30 Sep 2017 (and Parken, Copenhagen 3 October) so plenty is possible.
The only thing going against the Wembley option is that Oasis and Coldplay (and a few others) are playing what feels like '100's' of gigs there this year, already. Not sure if there is an absolute limit. There is an International Football weekend in early September, where a club football stadium could possibly be used e.g. Berlin?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-02-02 13:57 by StonesSmeth99.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
keefriffhards
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Date: February 2, 2025 13:50
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Taylor1
Keith ought to do some shows with Wood and Mick Taylor.
One of my dream scenarios that sadly didn’t happen since the New Barbarians would be for Keith and Ronnie to tour.
Keith plays for half an hour solo, Ronnie relieves Keith for half an hour while Ronnie plays his set.
Then for the last 30 or 40 minutes Keith and Ronnie sing and play together with guest stars joining in.
Can't believe it never happened when the Stones were inactive.
It's still not too late though.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
Stoneswolf
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Date: February 2, 2025 13:54
Quote
StonesSmeth99Quote
Big Al
A couple of points:
Leave it for another year? They’ll be a year older. They’re already ancient.
Reschedule for the autumn of 2025? What U.K. and European stadiums are available during the football season?
I’d love some arena shows, but would it be profitable enough? They’d either have to perform a lot more shows, or charge through the nose.
Stade de France (Paris), Wembley in mid-September, Olympiastadion Munich (one last hurrah before renovation), the Montjuic stadium in Barcelona (if the football team do start playing at the new Camp Nou as expected), possibly the Sevilla stadium (subject to Real Betis not having 'moved there due to their stadium renovations), Cardiff Principality stadium (with roof), presumably Zurich Letzigrund... there's a few to go at and fill September at least. They also played the Amsterdam stadium on 30 Sep 2017 (and Parken, Copenhagen 3 October) so plenty is possible.
And not to forget: Waldbühne
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
WelshEdge1
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Date: February 2, 2025 15:53
Quote
StonesSmeth99Quote
Big Al
A couple of points:
Leave it for another year? They’ll be a year older. They’re already ancient.
Reschedule for the autumn of 2025? What U.K. and European stadiums are available during the football season?
I’d love some arena shows, but would it be profitable enough? They’d either have to perform a lot more shows, or charge through the nose.
Stade de France (Paris), Wembley in mid-September, Olympiastadion Munich (one last hurrah before renovation), the Montjuic stadium in Barcelona (if the football team do start playing at the new Camp Nou as expected), possibly the Sevilla stadium (subject to Real Betis not having 'moved there due to their stadium renovations), Cardiff Principality stadium (with roof), presumably Zurich Letzigrund... there's a few to go at and fill September at least. They also played the Amsterdam stadium on 30 Sep 2017 (and Parken, Copenhagen 3 October) so plenty is possible.
The only thing going against the Wembley option is that Oasis and Coldplay (and a few others) are playing what feels like '100's' of gigs there this year, already. Not sure if there is an absolute limit. There is an International Football weekend in early September, where a club football stadium could possibly be used e.g. Berlin?
Twickenham is pretty empty most of the year.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
Jeter1984
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Date: February 2, 2025 16:49
15 stadium shows is the equivalent of 40-50 arena shows. It's the most efficient way for 80 year olds to do it. It's really the only way now that makes sense for everyone involved.
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Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
Glimmerest
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Date: February 2, 2025 17:06
Mick wtf :'(
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
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Date: February 2, 2025 17:46
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Matt1984
Contracts were all signed apart from Mick, who refused to sign. Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
why? continue...
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
kkhoranstoned
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Date: February 2, 2025 17:52
good morning just checking but could the world in chaos may have something to do
with the cancellation?money ..trade wars..wars
with the cancellation?money ..trade wars..wars
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
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Glimmerest
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Date: February 2, 2025 18:07
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kkhoranstoned
good morning just checking but could the world in chaos may have something to do
with the cancellation?money ..trade wars..wars
Probably didn't help at least
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
thecitadel
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Date: February 2, 2025 18:27
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More Hot RocksQuote
Matt1984
Contracts were all signed apart from Mick, who refused to sign. Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
why? continue...
I wrote this before - I think like in 2023 Mick wants to finish the next album before touring. It mnay be about their legacy - an album lasts for decades, a Tour for a few weeks.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
georgelicks
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Date: February 2, 2025 18:29
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Matt1984
Contracts were all signed apart from Mick, who refused to sign. Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
That is not new, it has been like this for decades, 90% of the decisions to tour happen if Mick feels like it or wants to do it, the rest accompanies his decisions and waits.
Again, everyone is free to do things on their own, organize tours or concerts with and wherever they want but they don't, the only option is a stadium tour with the Rolling Stones, nothing will change now.
Re: The rumoured Rolling Stones Tour in Europe this summer of 2025 is off
Posted by:
jackflash27
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Date: February 2, 2025 18:34
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georgelicksQuote
Matt1984
Again, everyone is free to do things on their own, organize tours or concerts with and wherever they want but they don't, the only option is a stadium tour with the Rolling Stones, nothing will change now.
I would say an Arena tour is another option. Maybe a little easier to organize and book, but also less revenue. They did it in 2017, so it's not impossible.
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