Finally somebody talks about money. I believe this is the over looked factor that stopped the tour from happening. Meanwhile the kind hearted people are speaking of sympathy for their well being. Sorry but I have to laugh.

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Sounds like an excuse to me.

More likely it's a physical injury but that doesn't fill promoters with confidence so better to blame logistics.

This seems like dooming to me

It's not dooming, it's common sense, imagine Mick has arthritis or a knee injury for instance, far better to say the Stones have a problem with logistics, doesn't make it sound as though you are physically unable to tour stadiums.

The Stones might have more success booking smaller venues if they wish to continue, covering a huge stadium stage becomes high risk in your 80's, it goes without saying, the odds stack up against you, it's a no brainer.

If your pushing ageism they've been aware of it since 1981. Common sense? Is that the new "just saying"? Which is a defeatist acknowledgment of not believing what one is saying but for argument's sake it looks good and removes any responsibility - a lot like misleading headlines for clickbait:

ROLLING STONES 2025 TOUR CANCELLED - fans can't get what they want

Is it possible to cancel something that doesn't exist? That doesn't matter, does it. Nothing needs to be true as long as someone is just saying.

Keith reaching for a book on his ladder; Keith falling "out of a coconut tree". There are articles that still insist he fell out of a coconut tree.

Facts don't matter except when they matter? Narrative is more important - Fiji, obviously Keith fell out of a coconut tree because no other trees exist in Fiji just as Stones would obviously record reggae in Jamaica because duh in Jamaica that's all there is so they're gonna do reggae - fake news, assumptions and downright silly.

Mick's heart surgery.

Those are just the incidents that have pushed tours back. Mick had laparoscopic heart surgery and you're saying arthritis or a knee injury? From vacationing in the Caribbean or India?

Keith had part of his skull removed. He's had arthritis (Heberden's nodes) since the late 1980s. A tour has never been cancelled because of any physical ailment.


Mick was clear in 2024 about any touring in 2025 stating they would look at offers. It's not a conspiracy that what they want didn't work because the necessary financial requirements for 14 shows to be able to work because it's not only about the 14 shows it's also before and inbetween those shows: very expensive.

The people that complain about a band or artist "selling out" (corporate sponsorship) are the same people that complain about gentrification - they love to complain about something they have nothing to do with - on purpose. It's that person's fault they let petty morals ruin their fun.

Why is it when younger bands, like Pearl Jam, push back or cancel something there's no conspiracy but when the Stones cancel something that was never there it's a multi-faceted conspiracy?

Venues not cooperating or able to line up is

MICK JAGGER HAS A BROKEN ANKLE

or

KEITH FAILED HIS PHYSICAL.

The whatifism is gleefully ignorant. This age of information enlightenment is hilarious yet exhausting.



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There is no need to spread conspiracy theories about this tour being off, for now.

One of the main issues here was venues.

The tour start in Barcelona was including on site rehearsals starting May 5, with rigging of stage ahead of that. Then two shows, all in all two weeks at The Olympic Stadium in Barcelona. Camp Nou was out of question, it is delayed with renovation works, and The Rolling Stones have never performed there, it is the largest football stadium in Europe. The complexity with FC Barcelona in need of the stadium too was probably just one of several issues.

I could follow changes of dates all through January, shows in Paris, London, Rome, Munic and Paris were listed with different dates at different times by local press and insiders. Sure there were several issues.

Then they had several rules of the tour, including space for rescheduling, and when the structure of the tour does not fit into the performing artist's needs, after months of work, then there is a time for saying this can not be done at this time.

Venues in Europe are busy, it is hard to schedule and rechedule a tour during summer. They have been working on this tour for a long time. Then, it did not work out. Hopefully we get a tour later this year, or we get a new album, both are great options for us, the fans, as well as the band.

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Perhaps, at the final moment, Mick couldn't bring himself to play at Tottenham's stadium after all.

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I always was fascinated by the statement that on a world tour like ABB they only reached the break even point after 40 gigs or so. Imagine today with fewer shows, and inflated costs everywhere.

They spend a lot less on staging nowadays and in 2006 they were charging a maximum of £150 for the best seats. The Stones guarantee is very big. Must be a nightmare for promotors .

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There is no need to spread conspiracy theories about this tour being off, for now.

One of the main issues here was venues.

The tour start in Barcelona was including on site rehearsals starting May 5, with rigging of stage ahead of that. Then two shows, all in all two weeks at The Olympic Stadium in Barcelona. Camp Nou was out of question, it is delayed with renovation works, and The Rolling Stones have never performed there, it is the largest football stadium in Europe. The complexity with FC Barcelona in need of the stadium too was probably just one of several issues.

I could follow changes of dates all through January, shows in Paris, London, Rome, Munic and Paris were listed with different dates at different times by local press and insiders. Sure there were several issues.

Then they had several rules of the tour, including space for rescheduling, and when the structure of the tour does not fit into the performing artist's needs, after months of work, then there is a time for saying this can not be done at this time.

Venues in Europe are busy, it is hard to schedule and rechedule a tour during summer. They have been working on this tour for a long time. Then, it did not work out. Hopefully we get a tour later this year, or we get a new album, both are great options for us, the fans, as well as the band.

Thank you BV

"In case of the Stones I am not sure there is one big promotor working with local ones, or it's just the Stones themself working with the local ones. In both scenario's this is what could have been the case."

In the US they've worked with AEG Live since 2013, in Europe it seems they deal directly with local promoters, which probably makes it harder to work things out and "balance" the risks for the promoters. I wonder how much they would have had to give up to make it work...more than they were willing to apparently. If they're never in a position to tour again it will all sound very futile. Not to mention the dozens of people who work on these tours, starting with the band, who could have used the money...they can't be too happy about that !

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Insane that it is such a big hassle to do a tour in Europe these days. We're talking about the Rolling Stones here...

If you think about how they managed to do Cuba in 2016 with no local infrastructure at all.

As someone who splits his professional time between LA and London, and as someone who knows this space pretty well because of what I do for a living, it is far easier and more efficient to pull off a tour in the US as opposed to most places globally-- especially with the limitations we now have on these tours with older performers.

I could write a book on the topic-- the logistics, insurance, local promoters alone. The costs are simply insane now. It is so different from the early 2000's or 1990's. No comparison. Throw all of those comparisons out the window. It's 2025.

The Stones have done very well with their current model. It works very well within the North American marketplace and they know that. It suits them perfectly.

However, the European market provides additional costs, inefficiencies, and headaches that don't exist with AEG handling everything throughout North America. Plus, the resources are a bit limited with so many bands touring Europe this summer. You will definitely see some empty seats with some of these bands.

I expect the Stones to continue touring. They will tour when they want to and when it suits their current business model. They have earned that right.

They should have just pivoted to another North American tour

2-3 shows in Mexico, another show in Vegas, a few more in underplayed Canada where they should still be a top draw, etc and another high priced smaller show or 2 to top it off. Maybe even a festival.

They still can on a delayed timeline.

The problem with arena only shows is not just the ticket prices but the fact that the Stones have some of the highest per cap merch sales in the business that also have to be compensated for. That's another 7 figures right there.

Thanks for the update and all you do BV!

Im wondering if the Stones and their team have ever considered doing one of those destination residencies at one of those Mexico resorts?

Setup at a chushy all inclusive resort for a week and play a few shows and have other bands play on the off nights.

A few bands have been doing this for the past few years and it seems successful.
GD-DeadCo, Phish, Dave Mathews,MMJ, and more.

Word of the postponment was in paris 36 hours before.
Promoters are aware that a reshuffling of dates IS considered for fall of this year with news coming before april.
Same pattern as 2017. Open stadiums in september, closed ones in october.
Paris stade de France for 2 dates IS still the only bid considered in France. It will NOT be la Défense Arena.

Only knowledge i Can have and share for now.

And again a Big thank you to BV (and the others ) for all the work

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Im wondering if the Stones and their team have ever considered doing one of those destination residencies at one of those Mexico resorts?

Setup at a chushy all inclusive resort for a week and play a few shows and have other bands play on the off nights.

A few bands have been doing this for the past few years and it seems successful.
GD-DeadCo, Phish, Dave Mathews,MMJ, and more.

Sort of like hoping for a Sphere run. Unless then plan on playing 2 shows in 3 nights or 3 in 4 not sure this would be feasible.

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There is no need to spread conspiracy theories about this tour being off, for now.

One of the main issues here was venues.

The tour start in Barcelona was including on site rehearsals starting May 5, with rigging of stage ahead of that. Then two shows, all in all two weeks at The Olympic Stadium in Barcelona. Camp Nou was out of question, it is delayed with renovation works, and The Rolling Stones have never performed there, it is the largest football stadium in Europe. The complexity with FC Barcelona in need of the stadium too was probably just one of several issues.

I could follow changes of dates all through January, shows in Paris, London, Rome, Munic and Paris were listed with different dates at different times by local press and insiders. Sure there were several issues.

Then they had several rules of the tour, including space for rescheduling, and when the structure of the tour does not fit into the performing artist's needs, after months of work, then there is a time for saying this can not be done at this time.

Venues in Europe are busy, it is hard to schedule and rechedule a tour during summer. They have been working on this tour for a long time. Then, it did not work out. Hopefully we get a tour later this year, or we get a new album, both are great options for us, the fans, as well as the band.

Thanks for this info. Finally some good background information on why the tour is off. Good news is that it's' not a health issue, we were all afraid of. The issues are in the field of 'logistics', and planning. That's too bad, but not unfixable. My hopes and expectations are that there will be a Europe tour, either this fall, or next year if they can't work it out for 2025. Let's look at it from the bright side: maybe another year to look forward to a new tour. There is still a touring future. Enjoy it as long as we can.

All in all this all sounds like bad news regarding the summer tour. But it could be worse. Sounds like they want to tour. Lets hope they can make it happen. I will hold my tour money

But haven't they toured Europe since the time of Charlemagne? Why would it suddenly be a problem for them now to tour in Europe... Well.. too bad!

Glad to hear not a health issue that we are aware of. And it sounds like something happening in 2025 is not completely off the table. Just happy everyone seems ok and that they want to get out there

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Word of the postponment was in paris 36 hours before.
Promoters are aware that a reshuffling of dates IS considered for fall of this year with news coming before april.
Same pattern as 2017. Open stadiums in september, closed ones in october.
Paris stade de France for 2 dates IS still the only bid considered in France. It will NOT be la Défense Arena.

Only knowledge i Can have and share for now.

And again a Big thank you to BV (and the others ) for all the work

Fingers crossed!

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Word of the postponment was in paris 36 hours before.
Promoters are aware that a reshuffling of dates IS considered for fall of this year with news coming before april.
Same pattern as 2017. Open stadiums in september, closed ones in october.
Paris stade de France for 2 dates IS still the only bid considered in France. It will NOT be la Défense Arena.

Only knowledge i Can have and share for now.

And again a Big thank you to BV (and the others ) for all the work

Wembley stadium is 'free' between 8 (Coldplay) and 27 September (Oasis) this year - warm enough to play outside. No chance of playing Tottenham etc then, sadly. Manchester Coop Live (25000 indoors) in October?

As much as they're a band for long summer days, we'd take the 2017 model now.

A Sphere run could be possible. As mentioned in another forum:

In response to: "The sphere stage is too small for a proper Jagger strut. "

But if he is slowing down yet doesn't want to appear to, then the Sphere stage is perfect. Most eyes will be on the screen and the amount of distance put on his feet is much reduced. They already have a lot of the graphics in the archive that can be touched up, recycled and scaled up.

This also reduces the natural wear and tear from travel. Now Vegas can be hell on the voice but they would likely do what U2, Rod Stewart, Elton John and a lot of other residency acts do which is just commute from LA. They can just hole up at the Four Seasons Beverly Hills like they do for rehearsals or extended stays in LA.

10-14 shows over 6-8 weeks or even spread out over a half a year with a big break in the middle.

With some of the rumored dates being 7 days apart that’s a lot of time to get rusty without rehearsing in between. Didn’t seem right, but I don’t know all the history of dates. Logistics could mean not being ready or able to put on a performance worthy of the Stones. If you’re gonna do a tour I would think a bunch more stars need to line up other than just 14 free dates at stadiums. Crossing fingers for early fall!

There have been 7 day gaps before. Edinburgh to Cardiff 2018 springs to mind, but I don't know about multiple 7 day gaps...

Whether its logistics ( sad the Stones can’t achieve what the Boss do this Summer), whether it’s financials ( issues to fill up stadiums due to numerous and tough competitors), whether it’s a strange planning ( 10 concerts in 6 weeks, then 4 gigs in 4 weeks) which enhances drastically the fixed costs, it is no question here as I understand of health problems. And that is the most important.
Anyway, it says that no South American, Australian, Japanese tour is to be expected. Sad for our friends in Argentina.
In Europe, We already had more than our fair share of concerts. If any are to be performed, I would lean to farewell concerts in London (O2), NYC (MSG).

What unsolvable problems for the Stones, which don't seem to concern many other major artists and bands touring Europe this spring and summer!

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What unsolvable problems for the Stones, which don't seem to concern many other major artists and bands touring Europe this spring and summer!

Wanting special acomodations fit for three elderly men

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What unsolvable problems for the Stones, which don't seem to concern many other major artists and bands touring Europe this spring and summer!

I guess the advantage that other artists have is that they book the dates far in advance and sell tickets far in advance. With the Stones the planning is far more short-term even if they probably have been planning the thing for much longer than we know about. Probably has to do with their age.

I've been talking about the tour here in Portugal for over a month now. Nobody cared except me, friends were excited for me anyway. People still like them but they're also not interested in the ridiculous prices. Unfortunately I think this goes against the bands strategy to remain on top and maintain their larger than life status. Therefore either they bend or move on. I suspect they chose to move on. Maybe they're right to think this way, I don't know. Anyhow it's amazing they kept their legacy alive for so long. Personally I'm good with that. Tell you what, I'm kind of relieved, the thousands I will be saving will help in retirement. I wish all the best for my fellow IORRians. We still have the records as John Lennon said about the end of The Beatles.

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What unsolvable problems for the Stones, which don't seem to concern many other major artists and bands touring Europe this spring and summer!

The Stones have completed tours that included stadiums, arena's and small clubs, it's not like they couldn't have found a few venues to make more profit from the tour if they really are that desperate for more coin.

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I've been talking about the tour here in Portugal for over a month now. Nobody cared except me, friends were excited for me anyway. People still like them but they're also not interested in the ridiculous prices. Unfortunately I think this goes against the bands strategy to remain on top and maintain their larger than life status. Therefore either they bend or move on. I suspect they chose to move on. Maybe they're right to think this way, I don't know. Anyhow it's amazing they kept their legacy alive for so long. Personally I'm good with that. Tell you what, I'm kind of relieved, the thousands I will be saving will help in retirement. I wish all the best for my fellow IORRians. We still have the records as John Lennon said about the end of The Beatles.

Well good for you but for me it sucks ass. If they stop touring I will never get to see them