I think everyone already saw this one, but this is the complete press conference of Jagger, Richards an Taylor during their European tour in 1973 in Amsterdam. In BETTER quality;

Very good interview. Some stuff of note:

Being thankful that the audience screams less

Keith and Mick arguing a bit about the ages of their audience.

Mick not liking to talk about younger bands like Slade and T-Rex

Keith and Mick both being offended over the woman interviewer bringing up Keith being voted most likely to die soon. (He sure showed her)

Woman interviewer trying to shitstir by talking about an interview Keith did about "musician" vs "performer" and that Clapton was more of a musician, which Keith feels compelled to clarify was not an insult.

Woman interviewer asks self-admittedly gossipy question if Mick is romantically involved with David Bowie, he insists they're just friends but makes a joke about him not looking that good in the morning. Very cheeky.

Taylor says next to nothing

"Love" the Dutch accent of the reporter during the interview.LOL So many dumb questions! Oh boy.

Poor Taylor. I think he's wondering: "What the hell am I doing here?? Can I please leave this silly circus?! "

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"Love" the Dutch accent of the reporter during the interview.LOL So many dumb questions! Oh boy.

Poor Taylor. I think he's wondering: "What the hell am I doing here?? Can I please leave this silly circus?! "

LOL

Imho they weren't "dumb" as much as deliberately intrusive

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"Love" the Dutch accent of the reporter during the interview.LOL So many dumb questions! Oh boy.

Poor Taylor. I think he's wondering: "What the hell am I doing here?? Can I please leave this silly circus?! "

LOL

Yeah I think videos like this are a good example of why Taylor was not a good fit for the band

That Mr Jagger guy ooooozes confidence ..... lurv ya Mick



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That Mr Jagger guy ooooozes confidence ..... lurv ya Mick

He really does. Keith mumbles and Taylor says next to nothing, Mick just talks on and keeps up with the interviewers questions

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"Love" the Dutch accent of the reporter during the interview.LOL So many dumb questions! Oh boy.

Poor Taylor. I think he's wondering: "What the hell am I doing here?? Can I please leave this silly circus?! "

LOL

Yeah I think videos like this are a good example of why Taylor was not a good fit for the band

Thats nonsense.He was a great musical fit.Who cares if he didn’t talk like a fool at a press conference.He actually seemed very astute.None of the band wanted him to quit because he didn’t fit in.And if he hadn’t quit no one would be saying he didn’t fit.None of the Stones ever said he didn’t fit in or he wouldn’t have been chosen.

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None of the band wanted him to quit because he didn’t fit in.And if he hadn’t quit no one would be saying he didn’t fit.None of the Stones ever said he didn’t fit in or he wouldn’t have been chosen.

That's not entirely true. Keith wasn't too unhappy about Taylor leaving, and there's various stories about Keith's unfriendly behavior towards Taylor. By 1974 Keith didn't want Taylor around in the studio when he was there, for example.

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None of the band wanted him to quit because he didn’t fit in.And if he hadn’t quit no one would be saying he didn’t fit.None of the Stones ever said he didn’t fit in or he wouldn’t have been chosen.

That's not entirely true. Keith wasn't too unhappy about Taylor leaving, and there's various stories about Keith's unfriendly behavior towards Taylor. By 1974 Keith didn't want Taylor around in the studio when he was there, for example.

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Gossip from third parties So maybe because Keith got mad at Taylor in the studio , that meant he was happy for him to go? How many stories have there been of Keith fighting with Mick in the studio?You can only go by what Keith has said in his own words.And he has said he didn’t want him to go. That they did some of their greatest music with him.Jagger in 1995 said many people think the Taylor band was the best incarnation.When asked by Jann Wenner if he diss he didn’t.Bill and Charlie often stated those years were a peak.And if you are going to bring up studio gossip,, there are stories on the internet that Bill didn’t think much of Wood as a guitarist and according to Wood disparaged his playing to him.And if you want to talk about stories, how about the story on the 1982 tour where Mick told Jeith he was going to fire Wood if he didn’t stop doing so much coke.Not saying was Wood didn’t add great moments, but that doesn’t mean anything in the context of this Taylor comment.



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None of the band wanted him to quit because he didn’t fit in.And if he hadn’t quit no one would be saying he didn’t fit.None of the Stones ever said he didn’t fit in or he wouldn’t have been chosen.

That's not entirely true. Keith wasn't too unhappy about Taylor leaving, and there's various stories about Keith's unfriendly behavior towards Taylor. By 1974 Keith didn't want Taylor around in the studio when he was there, for example.

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Gossip from third parties So maybe because Keith got mad at Taylor in the studio , that meant he was happy for him to go? How many stories have there been of Keith fighting with Mick in the studio?You can only go by what Keith has said in his own words.And he has said he didn’t want him to go. That they did some of their greatest music with him.Jagger in 1995 said many people think the Taylor band was the best incarnation.When asked by Jann Wenner if he diss he didn’t.Bill and Charlie often stated those years were a peak.And if you are going to bring up studio gossip,, there are stories on the internet that Bill didn’t think much of Wood as a guitarist and according to Wood disparaged his playing to him.And if you want to talk about stories, how about the story on the 1982 tour where Mick told Jeith he was going to fire Wood if he didn’t stop doing so much coke.Not saying was Wood didn’t add great moments, but that doesn’t mean anything in the context of this Taylor comment.

The last bit is true though -Wood was told he was not to be invited on the 1982 tour is he didn't stop freebasing.

Jagger has always been positive about Taylor, especially how they worked together in the studio when Keith was absent. But Keith has stated various times that he never was fully convinced Taylor fitted the Stones. He has praised his melodic and lead skills, but also stated he was not the right guitarist for the Stones, and that he much preferred working with Brian and Wood. And Taylor was asked to leave sessions for IORR as he wanted to add a lot of stuff Keith didn't want him to do.

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Who knows who the Dutch interviewer is/was? I’ve been told it’s Elly de Waard. My own thinking it is Catherine Keyl, the voice sound as hers. I don’t “know” Elly de Waard, or don’t remember her. I’m probably to young to know her. 1973 Was at least 10 years before I became a real Stones fan. Wasn’t really in to knowing music, about 8 years old. Thinking that about 18 is late to become a Stones fan? Yes, it is, The Sweet, Creedence, the Police, Elvis and a few more….

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None of the band wanted him to quit because he didn’t fit in.And if he hadn’t quit no one would be saying he didn’t fit.None of the Stones ever said he didn’t fit in or he wouldn’t have been chosen.

That's not entirely true. Keith wasn't too unhappy about Taylor leaving, and there's various stories about Keith's unfriendly behavior towards Taylor. By 1974 Keith didn't want Taylor around in the studio when he was there, for example.

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Gossip from third parties So maybe because Keith got mad at Taylor in the studio , that meant he was happy for him to go? How many stories have there been of Keith fighting with Mick in the studio?You can only go by what Keith has said in his own words.And he has said he didn’t want him to go. That they did some of their greatest music with him.Jagger in 1995 said many people think the Taylor band was the best incarnation.When asked by Jann Wenner if he diss he didn’t.Bill and Charlie often stated those years were a peak.And if you are going to bring up studio gossip, there are stories on the internet that Bill didn’t think much of Wood as a guitarist and according to Wood disparaged his playing to him.And if you want to talk about stories, how about the story on the 1982 tour where Mick told Keith he was going to fire Wood if he didn’t stop doing so much coke.Not saying was Wood didn’t add great moments, but that doesn’t mean anything in the context of this Taylor comment.

The last bit is true though -Wood was told he was not to be invited on the 1982 tour is he didn't stop freebasing.

Jagger has always been positive about Taylor, especially how they worked together in the studio when Keith was absent. But Keith has stated various times that he never was fully convinced Taylor fitted the Stones. He has praised his melodic and lead skills, but also stated he was not the right guitarist for the Stones, and that he much preferred working with Brian and Wood. And Taylor was asked to leave sessions for IORR as he wanted to add a lot of stuff Keith didn't want him to do.

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What else was he going to say after Wood joined? That he still preferred to play with Taylor? Maybe he does prefer Wood,but Keith is really always about pushing the band forward. If Wood had quit insay1989, and Waddy Wachtell joined, I wonder what he would have said then about Wood.I agree Wood and Richards have played great together at times, but I doubt Keith really thinks playing with Brian was better than with Taylor.Brian played basically no guitar from1967 on.Even on the pre Aftermath albums, half the time Brian is playing another instrument like harp or flute.And his biggest contributions are on slide like Little Red Rooster, .There are maybe 5 songs where his other guitar playing is memorable, like The Last Time.The only memorable playing is by Keith, like Satisfaction or Sitting on a Fence.



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None of the band wanted him to quit because he didn’t fit in.And if he hadn’t quit no one would be saying he didn’t fit.None of the Stones ever said he didn’t fit in or he wouldn’t have been chosen.

That's not entirely true. Keith wasn't too unhappy about Taylor leaving, and there's various stories about Keith's unfriendly behavior towards Taylor. By 1974 Keith didn't want Taylor around in the studio when he was there, for example.

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Gossip from third parties So maybe because Keith got mad at Taylor in the studio , that meant he was happy for him to go? How many stories have there been of Keith fighting with Mick in the studio?You can only go by what Keith has said in his own words.And he has said he didn’t want him to go. That they did some of their greatest music with him.Jagger in 1995 said many people think the Taylor band was the best incarnation.When asked by Jann Wenner if he diss he didn’t.Bill and Charlie often stated those years were a peak.And if you are going to bring up studio gossip,, there are stories on the internet that Bill didn’t think much of Wood as a guitarist and according to Wood disparaged his playing to him.And if you want to talk about stories, how about the story on the 1982 tour where Mick told Jeith he was going to fire Wood if he didn’t stop doing so much coke.Not saying was Wood didn’t add great moments, but that doesn’t mean anything in the context of this Taylor comment.

The last bit is true though -Wood was told he was not to be invited on the 1982 tour is he didn't stop freebasing.

Jagger has always been positive about Taylor, especially how they worked together in the studio when Keith was absent. But Keith has stated various times that he never was fully convinced Taylor fitted the Stones. He has praised his melodic and lead skills, but also stated he was not the right guitarist for the Stones, and that he much preferred working with Brian and Wood. And Taylor was asked to leave sessions for IORR as he wanted to add a lot of stuff Keith didn't want him to do.

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What else was he going to say after Wood joined? That he still preferred to play with Wood? Maybe he does, but Keith is really always about pushing the band forward. If Wood had quit insay1989, and Waddy Wachtell joined, I wonder what he would have said then about Wood.I agree Wood and Richards have played great together at times, but I doubt Keith really thinks playing with Brian was better than with Taylor.Brian played basically no guitar from1967 on.Even on the pre Aftermath albums, half the time Brian is playing another instrument like harp or flute.And his biggest contributions are on slide like Little Red Rooster, .There are maybe 5 songs where his other guitar playing is memorable, like The Last Time.The only memorable playing is by Keith, like Satisfaction or Sitting on a Fence.

Judging on remarks by Andy Johns, Bill Wyman, Jagger and Richards himself, Keith was complaining about Taylor as early as 1972. Taylor wasn't a team player, wasn't part of the group, that all he was is a great lead player. In 1974 Richards already commented how much he liked playing and writing with Ron Wood, a year before Wood joined for the '75 tour.

Even Taylor himself has stated various times that he found it very hard to get on with Keith, that they weren't talking, that they weren't writing and composing together. Taylor was used by Keith as a session lead player, being brought in to play just a couple of solo's on the IORR album.

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By the time of Goats Head Soup and It's Only Rock 'N Roll, people had to contend with Exile for real and that's why I say that Mick Taylor wasn't particularly good for the group. He was really an odd man out. There was no way he could feel part of the whole thing as much as the rest of us... Mick Taylor wasn't good for the Stones. It was a sterile period for us 'cause there were things we had to force through. Maybe it's just me. It was a period we had to go through. Also Mick is such a LEAD guitarist, which completely destroyed the whole concept of the Stones, that is, the idea that you don't walk into a guitar store and ask for a lead guitar or a rhythm guitar. You PLAY a @#$%&' GUITAR. You are a GUITAR player. If you just want to @#$%& about with three strings at the top end, well, alright, but that's not what the Stones are about.

- Keith Richards, 1976

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Who knows who the Dutch interviewer is/was? I’ve been told it’s Elly de Waard. My own thinking it is Catherine Keyl, the voice sound as hers. I don’t “know” Elly de Waard, or don’t remember her. I’m probably to young to know her. 1973 Was at least 10 years before I became a real Stones fan. Wasn’t really in to knowing music, about 8 years old. Thinking that about 18 is late to become a Stones fan? Yes, it is, The Sweet, Creedence, the Police, Elvis and a few more….

I think we may be the same age! So are you saying you skipped Some Girls, Emotional Rescue and Tattoo You altogether and didn't become a Stones fan until Undercover?

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"Love" the Dutch accent of the reporter during the interview.LOL So many dumb questions! Oh boy.

Poor Taylor. I think he's wondering: "What the hell am I doing here?? Can I please leave this silly circus?! "

LOL

Yeah I think videos like this are a good example of why Taylor was not a good fit for the band

Thats nonsense.He was a great musical fit.Who cares if he didn’t talk like a fool at a press conference.He actually seemed very astute.None of the band wanted him to quit because he didn’t fit in.And if he hadn’t quit no one would be saying he didn’t fit.None of the Stones ever said he didn’t fit in or he wouldn’t have been chosen.

I mean the fact that he left I think is a pretty good indication that he felt he wasn't that great of a fit. Of course he contributed amazing stuff but many times band dynamics are more important than just the music.

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Who knows who the Dutch interviewer is/was? I’ve been told it’s Elly de Waard. My own thinking it is Catherine Keyl, the voice sound as hers. I don’t “know” Elly de Waard, or don’t remember her. I’m probably to young to know her. 1973 Was at least 10 years before I became a real Stones fan. Wasn’t really in to knowing music, about 8 years old. Thinking that about 18 is late to become a Stones fan? Yes, it is, The Sweet, Creedence, the Police, Elvis and a few more….

It is Elly de Waard, the main music critic from the Volkskrant in the 1970's. She moved on to become a writer and poet in the 1980's.

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Who knows who the Dutch interviewer is/was? I’ve been told it’s Elly de Waard. My own thinking it is Catherine Keyl, the voice sound as hers. I don’t “know” Elly de Waard, or don’t remember her. I’m probably to young to know her. 1973 Was at least 10 years before I became a real Stones fan. Wasn’t really in to knowing music, about 8 years old. Thinking that about 18 is late to become a Stones fan? Yes, it is, The Sweet, Creedence, the Police, Elvis and a few more….

It is Elly de Waard, the main music critic from the Volkskrant in the 1970's. She moved on to become a writer and poet in the 1980's.

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She's still alive it seems. 3 years older than Keith. Wonder if he'll end up outliving her, really showing that stupid poll she was talking about. But maybe that's a bit of a morbid thought.

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By the time.... ,.... but that's not what the Stones are about.

- Keith Richards, 1976

It also depends on which year Keith made his statements. Later he would say: If I had it my way, Mick (Taylor) was still in the band. I never understood why he left. Quite a few contradictions coming from Keith. The actual situation was very likely more complex than a few oneliners.

What was Jagger's take on the case (Taylor leaving the band)?



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Imho Keith was probably jealous that Taylor and Mick were pretty close and even working on writing music without him. Both Mick and Keith have a history of resenting people who they feel thretend their duo

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"Love" the Dutch accent of the reporter during the interview.LOL So many dumb questions! Oh boy.

Poor Taylor. I think he's wondering: "What the hell am I doing here?? Can I please leave this silly circus?! "

LOL

Yeah I think videos like this are a good example of why Taylor was not a good fit for the band

Never judge a book by its cover. That happened too many times already when it comes to certain guitarists.



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Taylor's comments (except for the Bowie one) are similar to how Ronnie rambles on about ridiculously obvious things and there's an element of where Spinal Tap possibly got some content.

Jagger talking about Nick Kent is hilarious.

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Taylor's comments (except for the Bowie one) are similar to how Ronnie rambles on about ridiculously obvious things and there's an element of where Spinal Tap possibly got some content.

Jagger talking about Nick Kent is hilarious.

Hope that sequel end up coming out this year

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Who knows who the Dutch interviewer is/was? I’ve been told it’s Elly de Waard. My own thinking it is Catherine Keyl, the voice sound as hers. I don’t “know” Elly de Waard, or don’t remember her. I’m probably to young to know her. 1973 Was at least 10 years before I became a real Stones fan. Wasn’t really in to knowing music, about 8 years old. Thinking that about 18 is late to become a Stones fan? Yes, it is, The Sweet, Creedence, the Police, Elvis and a few more….

I think we may be the same age! So are you saying you skipped Some Girls, Emotional Rescue and Tattoo You altogether and didn't become a Stones fan until Undercover?

I am from December 1964, yes I did become fan about 1982-1983. I had a opportunity to go with friends to Rotterdam 1982 when I was not yet a fan. But my mother didn’t want me to go. And as always a good son, I obeyed…… Later when I was fan and we had sometimes arguments together, I always referred to her: AND YOU DIDN’T ALLOWED ME…. When I had the opportunity to go to see the Stones (for my first time ever live) she said oh please go, then I’m finally rid of that argument! So my first ever Stones concert was at Shea Stadium New York October 26 of 1989. Not a bad place for a Dutch guy to start my concert series And I did make up for the “lost concert” I’ve been to 92 show till now all over the world. Last one was Thunder Ridge Nature Arena 2024.

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What was Jagger's take on the case (Taylor leaving the band)?

Jagger has always praised Taylor, both for his melodic playing and for the possibility for Jagger to bounce ideas. When Taylor left jagger commented that he thought Taylor couldn't get along with Keith.

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Keith Richards likes to insult his colleagues. Of course Taylor's behaviour might have become problematic, due to his substance abuse, as Glyn johns pointed out. Taylor joined the Stones at the age of twenty - the other members were at least five years older. At this point in life five years play a role. Taylor was too young, and his career never developed, because of his drug problems. Yet he has a lot of merits. Would the Stones's legacy be poorer without Sway, Moonlight Mile, Ventilator Blues, Winter, A hundred years ago and Time waits for no one? I would like to say yes.



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Keith Richards likes to insult his colleagues. Of course Taylor's behaviour might have become problematic, due to his substance abuse, as Glyn johns pointed out. Taylor joined the Stones at the age of twenty - the other members were at least five years older. At this point in life five years play a role. Taylor was too young, and his career never developed, because of his drug problems. Yet he has a lot of merits. Would the Stones's legacy be poorer without Sway, Moonlight Mile, Ventilator Blues, Winter, A hundred years ago and Time waits for no one? I would like to say yes.

One of Keith's less charming traits

When Keith was a big drug user he was, most of the time, what folks call a "functional addict" ...

..but he never had much sympathy or empathy if inconvenienced by other addicts around him who were perhaps less "functional"

(Mick Taylor participating i)s a rumor, babe. If he was on there, I would know. We've had no contact with Mick for a long time.
- Keith Richards, 2010


I’ve put Mick Taylor on Plundered My Soul, because he wasn’t on it. I wasn’t on it, he wasn’t on it, so obviously we were driving to the studio when that was done (laughs)... (I)t was very nice, it was just like the old days, you know, I just sat Mick down and we did it like half an hour...
- Mick Jagger, 2010

[timeisonourside.com]

Still find it a bit odd that Jagger didn't get Taylor to record on the TATTOO YOU extras. Although, really, Living In The Heart Of Love is pedestrian.