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Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: rcfoxy ()
Date: December 29, 2024 23:32

I expect them to continue to take all my cash for may years to come... :-(

Cheers
Richard - In Another Land

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: December 30, 2024 05:46

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Blue and Lonesome II, III, IV ... (but without Andrew Watt!).


It’s just that I think the Stones are better than that. Blue & Lonesome was a fun novelty for a few spins; but it’s not 1964, anymore. The only reason this covers-album happened, was because they supposedly ‘hit the wall’

They're much, much more than that ...but not better than that.

B&L was a reminder of what a great Blues band they were and still are.

[It won Blues album of the year with Guitarist magazine...and they're Blues mad]


I do hear you, spud. Blue & Lonesome is fine, if merely a stop-gap. After Hackney Diamonds, if feel it’ll be a shame if they were to give us another record like Blue & Lonesome. Honestly? If I fancy bluesy Stones, I’ll stick on the U.K. debut LP

i might agree with you if they hadn't released hackney diamonds and are likely releasing another album of original material too in the not to distant future

with two original album released a few years apart i think there's room for a cover album or two for fun without taking it to seriously

that being said they could play something other then the blues on it (though they definitely should do some) cover some of there favorite reggae, soul, r&b and country songs

or maybe cover some of the songs of there contemporaries

keith's cover of waiting for the man was fantastic and i see no reason the stones couldn't cover some songs from the velvet underground or the kinks, who or god forbid the beatles

Oh, PLEASE no reggae! Get Up, Stand Up was a low point of the A Bigger Bang Tour. Soul stuff, like Mr Pitiful, wasn’t particularly fun, either.

strongly disagree with mr pitiful love there version

and many here seem to think ssoh is pretty great and it's basicly an otis redding song so i assume they can still cover soul just fine

you may have a point with reggae (though i think get up, stand is ok) it's not something they have a great track record with covering

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: December 30, 2024 15:52

I think Keith, solo or with the Winos, maybe covers Reggae better than the Stones together do, because he's the one with a genuine love for it.



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Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: DGee ()
Date: December 30, 2024 16:21

I wonder if ProfessorWolf, Sighunt, and others may have hit upon the ultimate bump in the road. Is there any word on the Abkco problem? It dawned on me that there was probably no Beatles SiriusXM channel until all of the Apple litigation was finally resolved (which took decades).

For any new documentary or retrospective Stones historical piece that makes it to publication, it seems like an enormous but temporary "detente" between the RS Org and Abkco was necessary. For something far more perpetual, like a comprehensive career box set, or a dedicated satellite channel, does there need to be more than just "peaceful co-existence?" Do the rights to the entire Jagger/Richards songbook need to returned to its authors, however that might be acheived?

I wonder out loud whether the Jagger/Richards songbook will ever see the handling it deserves so long as doing so would enrichen Abkco any more than Abkco has already enjoyed. I don't know how that might sit with me if I were the authors of that one-of-a-kind songbook.

Like most fans, I never listen to my favorite band's music and think, "oh, this is an Abkco track" and this other one is a "post-Abkco track." I just love their music, pure and simple. And I share bv's attitude of gratitude for the GRnRBITW. But I really want to see a 24/7 satellite radio station that will survive me and those authors. The songbook and career-spanning body of work deserves that.

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: December 30, 2024 18:32

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I expect them to continue to take all my cash for may years to come... :-(

They don't take it, You give it willingly.



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Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: 1963luca0 ()
Date: December 30, 2024 19:01

Something similar Dylan’s bootleg series and no more pointless live albums: legacy rather then business…

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: December 30, 2024 20:07

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I think Keith, solo or with the Winos, maybe covers Reggae better than the Stones together do, because he's the one with a genuine love for it.

i agree the winos are better at covering reggae

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 30, 2024 20:35

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DGee
I wonder if ProfessorWolf, Sighunt, and others may have hit upon the ultimate bump in the road. Is there any word on the Abkco problem? It dawned on me that there was probably no Beatles SiriusXM channel until all of the Apple litigation was finally resolved (which took decades).

For any new documentary or retrospective Stones historical piece that makes it to publication, it seems like an enormous but temporary "detente" between the RS Org and Abkco was necessary. For something far more perpetual, like a comprehensive career box set, or a dedicated satellite channel, does there need to be more than just "peaceful co-existence?" Do the rights to the entire Jagger/Richards songbook need to returned to its authors, however that might be acheived?

I wonder out loud whether the Jagger/Richards songbook will ever see the handling it deserves so long as doing so would enrichen Abkco any more than Abkco has already enjoyed. I don't know how that might sit with me if I were the authors of that one-of-a-kind songbook.

Like most fans, I never listen to my favorite band's music and think, "oh, this is an Abkco track" and this other one is a "post-Abkco track." I just love their music, pure and simple. And I share bv's attitude of gratitude for the GRnRBITW. But I really want to see a 24/7 satellite radio station that will survive me and those authors. The songbook and career-spanning body of work deserves that.

I don't listen to their music in regard to record label either - but it's way obvious amongst compilations that involve ABKCO Music songs (all but one from 1971 and 5 from 1972, of which, so far, only 2 are on any comps and 2 more released as B-sides).

FORTY LICKS was, it seemed, the resolution of whatever legal war they were at, and what seems like the Stones short changing themselves with 4 new songs may've been true in the long run by weakening disc 2 with 3 additional songs that were nothing like the single, making that compilation a bit of a tank than just having HOT ROCKS and HONK, obvious 2 tracks overlapping aside.

The reissue of ROLLED GOLD that was updated required Jagger-Richards permission, to my understanding, because the ABKCO Music agreement was as is, no alterations, but ROLLED GOLD + is altered.

In regard to video whatever obviously there's agreement because CROSSFIRE HURRICANE and whatever in the past included both eras.

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: DGee ()
Date: December 31, 2024 00:45

Thanks GasLightStreet; very interesting. It may veer too far OT, but your post led me down a rabbit hole that ended with the excellent writings of a BruceEder, found on another forum that addresses this tortured relationship:

[forums.stevehoffman.tv]

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: ds1984 ()
Date: December 31, 2024 01:22

The the 40th Anniversary boxset of GYYYO reissued in 2009 is featuring a previously unissued 5 tracks live CD, plus the B. B. King and Ike And Tina Turner sets.

This has required both agrement between the band and ABKCO.

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: MingSubu ()
Date: December 31, 2024 02:15

Don't expect, but would like to see the these mini tours continuing.

What i kinda expect, but not holding my breath. Box sets of their albums. Filled with demos, alt takes and live shows.

Also box sets of their tours. Something like the 5 best concerts of each tour, including a book of photos from that tour.

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: December 31, 2024 09:36

Box sets with otherwise unavailable material and extras are just what I don't want...

...I simply can't afford them. sad smiley

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: December 31, 2024 11:11

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Box sets with otherwise unavailable material and extras are just what I don't want...

...I simply can't afford them. sad smiley


Overpriced tat, IMO. Make a load of outtakes available on Spotify, or YouTube; preferably the former. That'll do for me. Why do I want a lot of clutter? I can't take it with me, can I?

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Father Ted ()
Date: December 31, 2024 11:42

Bring us the live audio and video from their golden years. Bring us complete unreleased songs. But I can happily live without ever hearing another demo or alt take.

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: December 31, 2024 11:49

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Bring us the live audio and video from their golden years. Bring us complete unreleased songs. But I can happily live without ever hearing another demo or alt take.

Speaking as a fan who likes his Rolling Stones "rough and ready", I'd love to hear some stuff that was nearly finished... i.e before it was overproduced winking smiley



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Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: December 31, 2024 11:56

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Father Ted
Bring us the live audio and video from their golden years. Bring us complete unreleased songs. But I can happily live without ever hearing another demo or alt take.

Yes, I am more interested in hearing the unreleased 'original's' as opposed to alternative-takes and demoes of already released and well-known recordings.

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: December 31, 2024 12:38

The way they've historically worked in the studio has always rather precluded the existence of much unreleased material in a presentable finished state.

The Stones "vaults" must be a bit like a mad inventor's bench...littered with bits of junk and half built gadgets grinning smiley

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: December 31, 2024 12:46

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Bring us the live audio and video from their golden years.

Yes, with MicK Taylor.
Fed up with live performances from the 90s and 2000s...



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Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: December 31, 2024 13:20

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Bring us the live audio and video from their golden years.

Yes, with Micy Taylor.
Fed up with live performances from the 90s and 2000s...

I do agree. We've had a few few releases from the 90's and 2000's.

I do wonder if a complete recording of the Roundhouse '71 show exists in releasable quality. That'd certainly be a welcomed release amongst us, here, I am sure. Something from 1970 - if it exists - would be terrific, too.

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: December 31, 2024 16:15

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Blue and Lonesome II, III, IV ... (but without Andrew Watt!).


It’s just that I think the Stones are better than that. Blue & Lonesome was a fun novelty for a few spins; but it’s not 1964, anymore. The only reason this covers-album happened, was because they supposedly ‘hit the wall’

They're much, much more than that ...but not better than that.

B&L was a reminder of what a great Blues band they were and still are.

[It won Blues album of the year with Guitarist magazine...and they're Blues mad]


I do hear you, spud. Blue & Lonesome is fine, if merely a stop-gap. After Hackney Diamonds, if feel it’ll be a shame if they were to give us another record like Blue & Lonesome. Honestly? If I fancy bluesy Stones, I’ll stick on the U.K. debut LP

i might agree with you if they hadn't released hackney diamonds and are likely releasing another album of original material too in the not to distant future

with two original album released a few years apart i think there's room for a cover album or two for fun without taking it to seriously

that being said they could play something other then the blues on it (though they definitely should do some) cover some of there favorite reggae, soul, r&b and country songs

or maybe cover some of the songs of there contemporaries

keith's cover of waiting for the man was fantastic and i see no reason the stones couldn't cover some songs from the velvet underground or the kinks, who or god forbid the beatles

Blue & Lonesome II, III, IV do not have to be pure cover albums. Time and again the Stones have written great originals in the blues genre. I have in mind a mixed album with covers (Patton, Johnson, John Lee Hooker, Son House, Muddy Waters, Jimmy Reed) and original compositions.



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Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: December 31, 2024 16:22

I'd love to hear those too Mr Johnson...

...I'll submit our request to the Department of Wishful Thinking accordingly grinning smiley

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: leteyer ()
Date: December 31, 2024 16:49

More concerts

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: December 31, 2024 18:08

Well, that they will keep on giving me pleasure and joy like they always have done.

- Doxa



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Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 31, 2024 18:22

What I still expect and what I expect are different. I still expect them to perform live but not for much longer (obviously that will determine itself).

What I expect is nothing different from the bizarre super deluxe album box sets that provide very little in leftover music from the sessions - and erroneously after - yet fantastic cultural reviews of the time of said album (no comment about SG and EOMS since I missed out on those but SF, GHS and TY are fantastic).

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: More Hot Rocks ()
Date: December 31, 2024 18:36

Anybody here in their 80's feel like doing anything?

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Date: December 31, 2024 18:38

A tour
A new album
Vault releases
A few festivals and charity gigs

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: tomcat2006 ()
Date: December 31, 2024 18:52

I don't expect anything but I'd be delighted with:

- A European tour in '25, wrapping up in London (in case it's the final show ever)
- Releasing a new (final) album if it's true that 80% of it has already been done from the superlative Hackney Diamond recording sessions
- Some more rarity/vault releases as and when
- Doubtless the odd solo release
- And who knows the rest...?

Something I can do without:
- Low quality/overpriced merchandise

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: December 31, 2024 19:39

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Blue & Lonesome II, III, IV do not have to be pure cover albums. Time and again the Stones have written great originals in the blues genre. I have in mind a mixed album with covers (Patton, Johnson, John Lee Hooker, Son House, Muddy Waters, Jimmy Reed) and original compositions.

i can dig that as long as they include a cover blind boy fuller's rattlesnakin' daddy

i like your idea too and think it would be ideal for them at there age to do albums like that

less time in the studio they come in for a few days a year record ten covers and mick and keith work up two or three good songs of there own repeat the next year

of course a lot of people here wouldn't be to happy with it

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: babyblue ()
Date: January 2, 2025 06:07

Come back to North America in 2026 and end it in London where it all started.
They’ll be 83 then who knows maybe they will go til they’re 85. We are blessed to have them still with us.

Re: What do you still expect from the Rolling Stones?
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: January 2, 2025 13:45

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I'd love to hear those too Mr Johnson...

...I'll submit our request to the Department of Wishful Thinking accordingly grinning smiley

"... and the blue light was my blues and the red light was my mind." grinning smiley

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