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The release of Hackney Diamonds saw a small increase in plays for classic tracks, but not in a way that was too significant.
There is a group of classic artists that have a very high popularity level in this era, the streaming era, if we look at this week's Billboard 200 we see the following legacy artists:
#38 Elton John - Diamonds
#43 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
#67 Creedence Clearwater Revival - Chronicle
#77 Queen - Greatest Hits
#120 Journey - Greatest Hits
#122 Bob Marley And The Wailers - Legend
#123 Nirvana - Nevermind
#148 Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Greatest Hits
#151 Daryl Hall John Oates - The Very Best Of
#166 Guns N' Roses - Greatest Hits
#178 ABBA - Gold
#192 Aerosmith - Greatest Hits
#199 Lynyrd Skynyrd - Greatest Hits
#200 Fleetwood Mac - Greatest Hits
All of these artists, plus AC/DC and the Beatles among others, have better streaming numbers than the Stones.
During the tour, Hot Rocks returned to the charts, reaching #166 as its highest position, and stayed in the Top 200 for 16 weeks, almost as long as the tour lasted, but once the tour ended it disappeared from the chart until now.
Hackney Diamonds stayed 9 weeks in the US Top 200 and was on the sales only chart until mid January, the album had almost zero activity since then, the tour didn't spark a single interest on it, it didn't even return to the rock chart or sales chart, 100% of the audience interested in the album was already covered by December last year.
I wouldn't describe the Stones as 'marmite, personally. I'd wager that a large majority of those who attend their shows are 'casual purchasers' of their work: 40 Licks; Hit Rocks, and so on. These folk often own no other Stones releases.
This is so very true, at least here in Italy.
It is very hard to find a fan, but when you find one, he IS a fan!
Never really understood why. But it is a matter of fact that there are lots of classic rock acts which are popular here (beatles, pink floyd, springsteen and U2 above all) and the stones are not one of them.
C
You're way off here
This is Spotify alone:
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-11-28 13:54 by DandelionPowderman.
Look at what you wrote, mister
Counter is not working: just me alone, I am sure I have streamed at leat 100+ Stones songs more than 1million times.
C
And still Keith is number UNO come coolest Rock n Roll Star every year
The Stones had actually been doing quite well at streaming a few years ago — more than Zeppelin and the Beatles, for instance. It was probably due to the fact that those bands were late adopters; they have since eclipsed the Stones, as, it appears, everyone else has.
The strange thing is that they’ve actually been *losing* monthly listenership on Spotify at a steady clip. They had been above 30 million; now they’re at 26 million — and this is despite having had a very active 2023-24
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-12-07 18:19 by MelBelli.
Here the Spotify top artists by monthly listeners since March 1, 2023:
[kworb.net]
And here from all time:
[kworb.net]
Stones 215/230...
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Not good enough. Someone is failing at his or her job. The Stones Inc. indicated they were making this a priority. Whatever they’re doing, it’s not working.
On this streaming era, they had the worst year on both UK & US chart since 2014, this year was the worst in the last 10 years on both chart positions and weeks on chart, even with the US tour they performed very poor in the US market during 2024.
That is as depressing as it is baffling.
I’d love to dig into what accounts for the decline. I get why Coldplay’s popularity has soared: they work with the hot-hand producers, “collab” with young pop artists, etc. But what is, say, Creedence Clearwater Revival doing right? They have not put out new music, toured, existed as a band in my lifetime.
How are they pushing streamers to their catalog?
Is it a problem with licensing the old stuff? Hasn’t all that been resolved? Forty Licks was supposed to be the streaming “tentpole” for the classic hits. I’ve seen no evidence of that effort succeeding.
The dud that was Hackney Diamonds (chart-wise, not musically) is a separate issue. This is about a failure to promote the old stuff to new listeners.
The Universal people were talking about having the DSPs and TikTok.
It feels like Hackney Diamonds will have momentum throughout 2023 and beyond…
“Yes, definitely, and that's the intention. It's not about the first week, it's a long campaign. They've taken 18 years to make this album. We want this to really grow into 2024 and beyond as well. It feels like a classic Stones album.”
[www.musicweek.com]
There was some hype for LICKS, after thinking about it, mostly for the vinyl, the time of Mick's 80th birthday, but it quickly went away.
I'm still mystified that Universal ignored the tour and didn't put out another single from HD. Seems beyond obvious. Angry had traction, then two weeks later put out SSOH. And then Mess It Up, a bizarre choice, in late October the same day the album came out. And then the album with the live album, and then the whatever vinyl editions plus live album. They were just slapping new labels on a bottle of water.
And then, with the tour getting a lot of attention, what did they do???
Zero.
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Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: November 26, 2024 19:10
I am curious if in the "modern era" there is some form of data available on the effects of a tour or a new studio release on the sales/streams of the back catalog.
Is there any evidence that in these very days a tour or a new album creates some form of interest beyond the niche of established fans?
C
Is there any evidence that in these very days a tour or a new album creates some form of interest beyond the niche of established fans?
C
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: November 26, 2024 19:25
GeorgeLicks finds that kind of info. It's usually added to the thread...
This one, Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff:
[iorr.org]
There's another one that's similar, I guess:
[iorr.org]
This one, Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff:
[iorr.org]
There's another one that's similar, I guess:
[iorr.org]
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: November 27, 2024 18:01
Thank you, missed those threads. Still curious to know if Hackney Diamonds somehow worked also at a promotional level.
C
C
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
georgelicks
()
Date: November 28, 2024 00:48
Quote
liddas
Thank you, missed those threads. Still curious to know if Hackney Diamonds somehow worked also at a promotional level.
C
The release of Hackney Diamonds saw a small increase in plays for classic tracks, but not in a way that was too significant.
There is a group of classic artists that have a very high popularity level in this era, the streaming era, if we look at this week's Billboard 200 we see the following legacy artists:
#38 Elton John - Diamonds
#43 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
#67 Creedence Clearwater Revival - Chronicle
#77 Queen - Greatest Hits
#120 Journey - Greatest Hits
#122 Bob Marley And The Wailers - Legend
#123 Nirvana - Nevermind
#148 Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Greatest Hits
#151 Daryl Hall John Oates - The Very Best Of
#166 Guns N' Roses - Greatest Hits
#178 ABBA - Gold
#192 Aerosmith - Greatest Hits
#199 Lynyrd Skynyrd - Greatest Hits
#200 Fleetwood Mac - Greatest Hits
All of these artists, plus AC/DC and the Beatles among others, have better streaming numbers than the Stones.
During the tour, Hot Rocks returned to the charts, reaching #166 as its highest position, and stayed in the Top 200 for 16 weeks, almost as long as the tour lasted, but once the tour ended it disappeared from the chart until now.
Hackney Diamonds stayed 9 weeks in the US Top 200 and was on the sales only chart until mid January, the album had almost zero activity since then, the tour didn't spark a single interest on it, it didn't even return to the rock chart or sales chart, 100% of the audience interested in the album was already covered by December last year.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: November 28, 2024 10:35
I've sometimes wondered whether there's more divergence in the market these days.
There are a lot of people who attend a lot of concerts as "events"... but never really sit down and listen to music at home .
..and there are lots of people for whom listening to music is their whole world...but who hardly ever attend concerts because its now too expensive and/or too much hassle.
There are a lot of people who attend a lot of concerts as "events"... but never really sit down and listen to music at home .
..and there are lots of people for whom listening to music is their whole world...but who hardly ever attend concerts because its now too expensive and/or too much hassle.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: November 28, 2024 11:52
Thanks Georgelicks.
To my knowledge, no Stones song has yet passed the 1 million listener mark (Paint It Black is close, I think).
That's surprising, as many artists/bands have more than one.
And yes, all of these artists you quote, plus AC/DC and the Beatles that's true, have far better streaming numbers than the Stones.
In my opinion, there are two explanations: a limited renewal of Stones fans (a generally aging fan base) and a last “reference” hit, the most recent testimonial broadcast on the radio dating back to 1981, Start Me Up.
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To my knowledge, no Stones song has yet passed the 1 million listener mark (Paint It Black is close, I think).
That's surprising, as many artists/bands have more than one.
And yes, all of these artists you quote, plus AC/DC and the Beatles that's true, have far better streaming numbers than the Stones.
In my opinion, there are two explanations: a limited renewal of Stones fans (a generally aging fan base) and a last “reference” hit, the most recent testimonial broadcast on the radio dating back to 1981, Start Me Up.
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I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: November 28, 2024 12:16
Also, the Stones have always been musical "Marmite" .'
Folks either love them or don't tend tolike them much at all.
Nobody likes the Stones a little bit ...so there aren't so many casual purchases of their recordings.
Folks either love them or don't tend tolike them much at all.
Nobody likes the Stones a little bit ...so there aren't so many casual purchases of their recordings.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: November 28, 2024 12:29
Quote
Spud
Also, the Stones have always been musical "Marmite" .'
Folks either love them or don't tend tolike them much at all.
Nobody likes the Stones a little bit ...so there aren't so many casual purchases of their recordings.
I wouldn't describe the Stones as 'marmite, personally. I'd wager that a large majority of those who attend their shows are 'casual purchasers' of their work: 40 Licks; Hit Rocks, and so on. These folk often own no other Stones releases.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: November 28, 2024 13:17
Quote
Spud
Also, the Stones have always been musical "Marmite" .'
Folks either love them or don't tend tolike them much at all.
Nobody likes the Stones a little bit ...so there aren't so many casual purchases of their recordings.
This is so very true, at least here in Italy.
It is very hard to find a fan, but when you find one, he IS a fan!
Never really understood why. But it is a matter of fact that there are lots of classic rock acts which are popular here (beatles, pink floyd, springsteen and U2 above all) and the stones are not one of them.
C
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 28, 2024 13:53
Quote
powerage78
To my knowledge, no Stones song has yet passed the 1 million listener mark
You're way off here
This is Spotify alone:
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Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: November 28, 2024 15:03
Not so much, just PIB, it's not miraculous at all...
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Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 28, 2024 15:51
Quote
powerage78
Not so much, just PIB, it's not miraculous at all...
Look at what you wrote, mister
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: November 28, 2024 16:13
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
powerage78
Not so much, just PIB, it's not miraculous at all...
Look at what you wrote, mister
Counter is not working: just me alone, I am sure I have streamed at leat 100+ Stones songs more than 1million times.
C
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: November 28, 2024 18:42
Oh sorry, DP, one billion.
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Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
marclaff
()
Date: November 28, 2024 18:46
For me 1 + 6 zeros = 1 000 000 = 1 million
So Paint it black got 1 + 9 numbers = more than 1000 millions
How do you say 1 + 9 zeros in english ? Billion ? Milliard ?
So Paint it black got 1 + 9 numbers = more than 1000 millions
How do you say 1 + 9 zeros in english ? Billion ? Milliard ?
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 28, 2024 21:23
Quote
powerage78
Oh sorry, DP, one billion.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
MadMax
()
Date: November 29, 2024 04:45
Quote
liddasQuote
Spud
Also, the Stones have always been musical "Marmite" .'
Folks either love them or don't tend tolike them much at all.
Nobody likes the Stones a little bit ...so there aren't so many casual purchases of their recordings.
This is so very true, at least here in Italy.
It is very hard to find a fan, but when you find one, he IS a fan!
Never really understood why. But it is a matter of fact that there are lots of classic rock acts which are popular here (beatles, pink floyd, springsteen and U2 above all) and the stones are not one of them.
C
And still Keith is number UNO come coolest Rock n Roll Star every year
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: December 7, 2024 17:08
Is there somewhere a 100 most annualy listened artists on Spotify ?
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-12-07 19:06 by powerage78.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
MelBelli
()
Date: December 7, 2024 17:23
Quote
georgelicksQuote
liddas
Thank you, missed those threads. Still curious to know if Hackney Diamonds somehow worked also at a promotional level.
C
The release of Hackney Diamonds saw a small increase in plays for classic tracks, but not in a way that was too significant.
There is a group of classic artists that have a very high popularity level in this era, the streaming era, if we look at this week's Billboard 200 we see the following legacy artists:
#38 Elton John - Diamonds
#43 Fleetwood Mac - Rumours
#67 Creedence Clearwater Revival - Chronicle
#77 Queen - Greatest Hits
#120 Journey - Greatest Hits
#122 Bob Marley And The Wailers - Legend
#123 Nirvana - Nevermind
#148 Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Greatest Hits
#151 Daryl Hall John Oates - The Very Best Of
#166 Guns N' Roses - Greatest Hits
#178 ABBA - Gold
#192 Aerosmith - Greatest Hits
#199 Lynyrd Skynyrd - Greatest Hits
#200 Fleetwood Mac - Greatest Hits
All of these artists, plus AC/DC and the Beatles among others, have better streaming numbers than the Stones.
During the tour, Hot Rocks returned to the charts, reaching #166 as its highest position, and stayed in the Top 200 for 16 weeks, almost as long as the tour lasted, but once the tour ended it disappeared from the chart until now.
Hackney Diamonds stayed 9 weeks in the US Top 200 and was on the sales only chart until mid January, the album had almost zero activity since then, the tour didn't spark a single interest on it, it didn't even return to the rock chart or sales chart, 100% of the audience interested in the album was already covered by December last year.
The Stones had actually been doing quite well at streaming a few years ago — more than Zeppelin and the Beatles, for instance. It was probably due to the fact that those bands were late adopters; they have since eclipsed the Stones, as, it appears, everyone else has.
The strange thing is that they’ve actually been *losing* monthly listenership on Spotify at a steady clip. They had been above 30 million; now they’re at 26 million — and this is despite having had a very active 2023-24
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-12-07 18:19 by MelBelli.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
georgelicks
()
Date: December 8, 2024 01:32
Quote
powerage78
Is there somewhere a 100 most annualy listened artists on Spotify ?
Here the Spotify top artists by monthly listeners since March 1, 2023:
[kworb.net]
And here from all time:
[kworb.net]
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: December 8, 2024 10:03
Thanks Georgelicks.
It puts a lot of things into perspective...
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-12-08 10:13 by powerage78.
It puts a lot of things into perspective...
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I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-12-08 10:13 by powerage78.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: December 8, 2024 22:56
Stones 215/230...
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Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
MelBelli
()
Date: December 9, 2024 01:09
Not good enough. Someone is failing at his or her job. The Stones Inc. indicated they were making this a priority. Whatever they’re doing, it’s not working.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
georgelicks
()
Date: December 9, 2024 01:22
Quote
MelBelli
Not good enough. Someone is failing at his or her job. The Stones Inc. indicated they were making this a priority. Whatever they’re doing, it’s not working.
On this streaming era, they had the worst year on both UK & US chart since 2014, this year was the worst in the last 10 years on both chart positions and weeks on chart, even with the US tour they performed very poor in the US market during 2024.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: December 9, 2024 04:27
Spotify seems to be heading down, losing listeners, mostly because of making interfacing ridiculous but also ridiculous algorithms. Perhaps some are disgusted that they're making a ton of money and barely paying artists. If there's anything political, well, I dunno, people seem to find political reasons to boycott something. I didn't change the cell phone company because of political reasons, I was tired of being screwed over, and it's hilarious how much I pay now ($80 a month to $32 a month, although it was $25 a month but I bumped up a level, which I've yet to be able to discern).
I gave Spotify up, well, August 29, 2021. Hurricane Ida corrected a few things for me and Spotify was one of them.
I didn't notice for a while because I was without power for over a week but once it came back on I had already pulled out CDs I wanted to listen to and, with a 3 month free Apple Music run later, which seemed way easier than Spotify. I've no reason to use Spotify. I do have YouTube Music but that's a huge pain in the ass. It's borderline unusable it's so frustrating.
I don't plan on subscribing to Apple Music or any other platform but if I did, at this point, it would be Apple. I only listen to music at home, currently either on CD or my PC with a nice library of CDs copied. I don't have ear pods, not interested in podcasts and learn about whatever is new or trending via some reading or occasionally paying attention to what I hear from vehicles or, in some regard, what certain stores are playing and who reacts to what.
The record industry isn't going to collapse. It would've happened a few years ago. Vinyl is selling more, CDs are still selling. The album (LP) format in regard to the length of a release is returning in apparently a big way: attention spans are returning to less is more. The Long Player, in whatever format - does anyone pay for downloading an album anymore? - is surviving, and the death of CDs isn't true. CDs will be around for many years - just like vinyl.
People still like holding something in their hands and reading whatever. Sure, vinyl is easier to read, but overall the listening experience appears to be returning more than less towards the album as a concept.
The Rolling Stones' streaming numbers are poor. Oh well. They're still on FM radio. And going by Spotify, regardless of it being the biggest streaming site in the world, doesn't account for others nor hardcopy formats.
Watch what happens now that Taylor Swift's tour is over today - her numbers will plummet. Someone else will take over the top spot and none of it matters, really, it's just whatever. Do you know anyone that actually listens to music or are they just playing music and still prattling away on the phone etc? I know people that tell Alexa to play whatever and it doesn't matter, it's just background.
But Teddy Swims comes on somewhere and people KNOW.
I gave Spotify up, well, August 29, 2021. Hurricane Ida corrected a few things for me and Spotify was one of them.
I didn't notice for a while because I was without power for over a week but once it came back on I had already pulled out CDs I wanted to listen to and, with a 3 month free Apple Music run later, which seemed way easier than Spotify. I've no reason to use Spotify. I do have YouTube Music but that's a huge pain in the ass. It's borderline unusable it's so frustrating.
I don't plan on subscribing to Apple Music or any other platform but if I did, at this point, it would be Apple. I only listen to music at home, currently either on CD or my PC with a nice library of CDs copied. I don't have ear pods, not interested in podcasts and learn about whatever is new or trending via some reading or occasionally paying attention to what I hear from vehicles or, in some regard, what certain stores are playing and who reacts to what.
The record industry isn't going to collapse. It would've happened a few years ago. Vinyl is selling more, CDs are still selling. The album (LP) format in regard to the length of a release is returning in apparently a big way: attention spans are returning to less is more. The Long Player, in whatever format - does anyone pay for downloading an album anymore? - is surviving, and the death of CDs isn't true. CDs will be around for many years - just like vinyl.
People still like holding something in their hands and reading whatever. Sure, vinyl is easier to read, but overall the listening experience appears to be returning more than less towards the album as a concept.
The Rolling Stones' streaming numbers are poor. Oh well. They're still on FM radio. And going by Spotify, regardless of it being the biggest streaming site in the world, doesn't account for others nor hardcopy formats.
Watch what happens now that Taylor Swift's tour is over today - her numbers will plummet. Someone else will take over the top spot and none of it matters, really, it's just whatever. Do you know anyone that actually listens to music or are they just playing music and still prattling away on the phone etc? I know people that tell Alexa to play whatever and it doesn't matter, it's just background.
But Teddy Swims comes on somewhere and people KNOW.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
MelBelli
()
Date: December 9, 2024 15:21
Quote
georgelicksQuote
MelBelli
Not good enough. Someone is failing at his or her job. The Stones Inc. indicated they were making this a priority. Whatever they’re doing, it’s not working.
On this streaming era, they had the worst year on both UK & US chart since 2014, this year was the worst in the last 10 years on both chart positions and weeks on chart, even with the US tour they performed very poor in the US market during 2024.
That is as depressing as it is baffling.
I’d love to dig into what accounts for the decline. I get why Coldplay’s popularity has soared: they work with the hot-hand producers, “collab” with young pop artists, etc. But what is, say, Creedence Clearwater Revival doing right? They have not put out new music, toured, existed as a band in my lifetime.
How are they pushing streamers to their catalog?
Is it a problem with licensing the old stuff? Hasn’t all that been resolved? Forty Licks was supposed to be the streaming “tentpole” for the classic hits. I’ve seen no evidence of that effort succeeding.
The dud that was Hackney Diamonds (chart-wise, not musically) is a separate issue. This is about a failure to promote the old stuff to new listeners.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: December 9, 2024 22:42
Because I was busy listening to whatever on CD this year perhaps I missed some hype about the Stones having such a dominant streaming presence? Where would I see that hype?
I never saw any. Other than some little burp about FORTY LICKS at some point, and I don't mean this HACKNEY DIAMONDS article, which is way more interesting than anything Rolling Stone will ever do:
How have you increased their reach in the build-up to this?
“Because we've known it's coming, there's been lots of discussions internally about it. It was to make the band as match fit for this with a newer audience because they're always about looking forward, they're trendsetters. So you want to make sure that they're on the platforms but done in the Stones way. There was the TikTok launch, and working with the creators and various channels, just to make sure that we were ready with 40 Licks in the summer around Mick’s 80th birthday. It was just really reuniting the catalogue as well, to have that moment to start building the breadth of the catalogue in terms of a streaming audience. So it's been very much focused on leading to this point with the catalogue warm-up, and seeing the results of that has been really heartening as well.”
[www.musicweek.com]
I've got Big Hits 1 and 2, both Hot Rocks (all of them the 2002 remasters, which sound fantastic), Made In The Shade (Virgin), Time Waits For No One (Polydor), Sucking In The Seventies (CBS and Virgin), Rewind, Jump Back (Virgin), Licks (Virgin) and Honk.
Obviously I'm not the audience they're hoping to get since I don't do streaming and I certainly wouldn't bother with the 2023 reissue if I was streaming. If they were so keen on making Forty Licks a big deal, why was Hot Rocks the only charting comp then?
Then there's UMe itself. It's a bit bloated. If UMe says something then it must be true?
FORTY LICKS is "seen as the definitive anthology"?
No it isn't.
It also requires people to be interested and read about it, to know, in general, and the people that got it in 2002 probably aren't interested again because, well, let's see... 2019's HONK covers much more 1971 onward and there's HOT ROCKS - both on streaming before the unnecessary FORTY LICKS.
Following its initial release, Licks would sell seven million copies around the world, and has since come to be seen as the definitive anthology of the band's recording career. It was, uniquely, the first collection to bring together landmark recordings from all points in their unrivalled songbook, from their early days via Decca UK and London US (ABKCO Records) through to the establishment of their own Rolling Stones Records.
[www.prnewswire.com]
I never saw any. Other than some little burp about FORTY LICKS at some point, and I don't mean this HACKNEY DIAMONDS article, which is way more interesting than anything Rolling Stone will ever do:
How have you increased their reach in the build-up to this?
“Because we've known it's coming, there's been lots of discussions internally about it. It was to make the band as match fit for this with a newer audience because they're always about looking forward, they're trendsetters. So you want to make sure that they're on the platforms but done in the Stones way. There was the TikTok launch, and working with the creators and various channels, just to make sure that we were ready with 40 Licks in the summer around Mick’s 80th birthday. It was just really reuniting the catalogue as well, to have that moment to start building the breadth of the catalogue in terms of a streaming audience. So it's been very much focused on leading to this point with the catalogue warm-up, and seeing the results of that has been really heartening as well.”
[www.musicweek.com]
I've got Big Hits 1 and 2, both Hot Rocks (all of them the 2002 remasters, which sound fantastic), Made In The Shade (Virgin), Time Waits For No One (Polydor), Sucking In The Seventies (CBS and Virgin), Rewind, Jump Back (Virgin), Licks (Virgin) and Honk.
Obviously I'm not the audience they're hoping to get since I don't do streaming and I certainly wouldn't bother with the 2023 reissue if I was streaming. If they were so keen on making Forty Licks a big deal, why was Hot Rocks the only charting comp then?
Then there's UMe itself. It's a bit bloated. If UMe says something then it must be true?
FORTY LICKS is "seen as the definitive anthology"?
No it isn't.
It also requires people to be interested and read about it, to know, in general, and the people that got it in 2002 probably aren't interested again because, well, let's see... 2019's HONK covers much more 1971 onward and there's HOT ROCKS - both on streaming before the unnecessary FORTY LICKS.
Following its initial release, Licks would sell seven million copies around the world, and has since come to be seen as the definitive anthology of the band's recording career. It was, uniquely, the first collection to bring together landmark recordings from all points in their unrivalled songbook, from their early days via Decca UK and London US (ABKCO Records) through to the establishment of their own Rolling Stones Records.
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Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
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MelBelli
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Date: December 9, 2024 23:27
I don’t know about any hype and I don’t recall anyone ever saying they were a dominant presence on streaming platforms. I’ve only ever said they had been holding their own. That has changed - and it’s kind of remarkable. After publicly declaring it to be a priority, they have gone *backwards*. That should be, like, a fireable offense.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
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GasLightStreet
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Date: December 10, 2024 04:12
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MelBelli
I don’t know about any hype and I don’t recall anyone ever saying they were a dominant presence on streaming platforms. I’ve only ever said they had been holding their own. That has changed - and it’s kind of remarkable. After publicly declaring it to be a priority, they have gone *backwards*. That should be, like, a fireable offense.
The Universal people were talking about having the DSPs and TikTok.
It feels like Hackney Diamonds will have momentum throughout 2023 and beyond…
“Yes, definitely, and that's the intention. It's not about the first week, it's a long campaign. They've taken 18 years to make this album. We want this to really grow into 2024 and beyond as well. It feels like a classic Stones album.”
[www.musicweek.com]
There was some hype for LICKS, after thinking about it, mostly for the vinyl, the time of Mick's 80th birthday, but it quickly went away.
I'm still mystified that Universal ignored the tour and didn't put out another single from HD. Seems beyond obvious. Angry had traction, then two weeks later put out SSOH. And then Mess It Up, a bizarre choice, in late October the same day the album came out. And then the album with the live album, and then the whatever vinyl editions plus live album. They were just slapping new labels on a bottle of water.
And then, with the tour getting a lot of attention, what did they do???
Zero.
Re: Effects of tours and new releases on catalog sales?
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MelBelli
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Date: December 10, 2024 04:23
I agree. It was a good rollout, but then they basically hibernated all winter before the tour started. I’m wondering if, after SSOH didn’t get any traction, the label just gave up.
Regardless, none of it - new album, press, tour — seemed to move the needle on streaming.
Regardless, none of it - new album, press, tour — seemed to move the needle on streaming.
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