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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: November 19, 2025 18:23

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Anyone else get warped vinyl?

Which edition? Black or Coloured? The stickers of the black 1LP/2LP/5LP say 'Made in France' - so probably pressed by MPO.

The Black.. I just checked all vinyl, the “original” Black & Blue disc is fine, it’s all the additional material (outtakes and Earl’s Court) vinyl that’s warped.. Would those have been pressed at a different plant than the B&B reissue?

Regardless. I’m asking for a replacement. One disc is so bad it looks like ribbon candy from a distance (ie wavy)

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: guezeg ()
Date: November 19, 2025 18:55

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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: HTD ()
Date: November 19, 2025 18:58

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I can see why people regard Beck as one the best electric guitarists ever, right there with Hendrix, and from a technical point of view perhaps even the best. But I just can't listen to Beck...All this wizardry and his use of the tremolo bar makes it just not listenable for me. It's the same with Eddie van Halen: I can see that his technique is incredible, but I just can't stand any of his solo's, it's just not musical in any sense. The same with Bonamassa: incredible player, but to listen for more than 10 minutes to his endless screaming solos of 1000 notes per second is impossible for me.

Mathijs

I completely agree.

Some solos are simply noise because the performer has the dexterity to do it, but rather than add to the song, it detracts, sometimes to the point where it becomes unlistenable.

I think of Clapton, for example. Maybe you can go back to the "Live Cream" days and find jamming that doesn't add to a song, but other than that, I think his solos always have a melodic point within the song.

"Live Cream" was also the product of the era. On the "Winterland" box set, Hendrix says "We're just going to get up here and jam." That was the approach many bands, particularly Cream, took to live performances.

Duck

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: guezeg ()
Date: November 19, 2025 19:00

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I'm not sure which "guest" plays on which jam?

Mandel on Berry Jam

Beck and Robert A. Johnson on the other three.

Richards is on all of them, no Wood.

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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Lien ()
Date: November 19, 2025 21:37

Rotterdam Jam' on re-release album Rolling Stones: Robert relives private performance

The original article was created in Dutch (NL) by our editorial staff. This article is automatically translated by an algorithm and might contain errors due to this.

We had almost forgotten about it, the recordings of The Rolling Stones in concert hall De Doelen in 1975 for their album Black and Blue. For weeks, Mick Jagger and company were in Rotterdam to make music and record new tracks. But not all those songs made it onto the album, like Rotterdam Jam. Fifty years later, this track has been released.
Stones fan Robert van Heijst remembers it like it was yesterday, he says in the radio program Afslag Rijnmond. At the time, he attended rehearsals of the legendary band in Rotterdam.
Underhand
"I was there, but I don't think I was there for this song (Rotterdam Jam), but for Blues Jam," he recalls. "That's another song that was recorded at the same location, in the Eduard Flipse Hall."

When the Stones were in Rotterdam in the seventies, it was not shouted from the rooftops. "Because it was - but I didn't know that at the time - about audition sessions for a new guitarist. Mick Taylor was gone and a new one had to take his place. There was a row of guitarists who had to come and play with them."
Slow blues
He went to De Doelen with a friend. "Then a very nice slow blues music sounded from the Doelen and we walked around the building a bit. At one point in the Karel Doormansstraat at the entrance to the Eduard Flips Hall, that sound came from above. Then that friend of mine bent his hands where I could put a foot in and then I could stand on his shoulders. Then I could climb on it through the porch, there was a kind of ledge under the windows." He laughs: "When I cycle past it now, I don't understand how I did it."


From the window, Van Heijst could not only see his favorite band, but also soul and rock musician Billy Preston. "It looked very relaxed." However, he was soon caught. "Then I saw that Billy noticed that someone was there. Then someone closed the curtains. That was also very relaxed, not malicious at all. Nobody came to us and they just kept playing. There was no form of surveillance or anything."
Van Heijst says he is surprised by the relaxed atmosphere, but also by something else. "There was a large table with a fruit basket, cartons of milk and soft drinks. I had been to so many concerts and only whiskey was drunk. And then suddenly you see a carton of milk and bananas and oranges," he laughs. But I read later that it was very important for them to be very disciplined in finding a good guitarist."

Van Heijst cherishes the memory he has of the song he heard then. "It was of course very special to see The Rolling Stones play for me alone." That's something different than in a full concert hall among tens of thousands of fans. "The nice thing is that I can retrieve it by listening to the recording."
There are rumors that the band will tour again next year. Whether Van Heijst will score tickets for that? "That's a nice rumor," he replies. "If I have the opportunity, I will definitely go again."

[www.rijnmond.nl]

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 19, 2025 22:16

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Jeff Beck in the Rolling Stones is like genius playing with bloody amateurs. There surely is a reason why Mick Taylor quit…


That's an exaggeration to me, despite the difference in level. Jeff Beck and the Stones got along very well. Listen to "Going Down" in 2012. That's a guitar party on stage, Wood, Richards, Jagger and Watts smiling at Jeff Beck all the time.

Jeff Beck is one of the players that took Old School Rock to a different level.
About the first rocker who ripped the famous Hendrix E7#9-chord off in Rock , left the root out and put the third on string 5 instead. The Wes Montgomery approach. That's addictive for Jazz/Rock/Fusion guitarists.

Mick Taylor gave it a little attempt on the tune “Tusks 1987”, clearly influenced by Jeff Beck. How I wish he had played like this with the Stones in 2012:





Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: November 19, 2025 22:44

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Jeff Beck in the Rolling Stones is like genius playing with bloody amateurs. There surely is a reason why Mick Taylor quit…


That's an exaggeration to me, despite the difference in level. Jeff Beck and the Stones got along very well. Listen to "Going Down" in 2012. That's a guitar party on stage, Wood, Richards, Jagger and Watts smiling at Jeff Beck all the time.

Jeff Beck is one of the players that took Old School Rock to a different level.
About the first rocker who ripped the famous Hendrix E7#9-chord off in Rock , left the root out and put the third on string 5 instead. The Wes Montgomery approach. That's addictive for Jazz/Rock/Fusion guitarists.

Mick Taylor gave it a little attempt on the tune “Tusks 1987”, clearly influenced by Jeff Beck. How I wish he had played like this with the Stones in 2012:




Who would listen to something like that voluntarily? I mean, really...

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 19, 2025 23:00

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Who would listen to something like that voluntarily? I mean, really...

Well, if you don't like Mick Taylor, listen to somebody else.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: November 19, 2025 23:39

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Who would listen to something like that voluntarily? I mean, really...

Well, if you don't like Mick Taylor, listen to somebody else.
In1972-1973 Mick Taylor was as good as Beck.More melodic, less flash .

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: filstan ()
Date: November 20, 2025 06:16

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Anyone else get warped vinyl?

Which edition? Black or Coloured? The stickers of the black 1LP/2LP/5LP say 'Made in France' - so probably pressed by MPO.

The Black.. I just checked all vinyl, the “original” Black & Blue disc is fine, it’s all the additional material (outtakes and Earl’s Court) vinyl that’s warped.. Would those have been pressed at a different plant than the B&B reissue?

Regardless. I’m asking for a replacement. One disc is so bad it looks like ribbon candy from a distance (ie wavy)


I have the black vinyl super deluxe edition. Yep, Made in France. Just arrived today. Haven't actually played the records yet, but each record is pretty flat. Records 1 and 2 spin perfectly flat. Some very, very slight warp on Earls Court records 2 and 3 , but it is so slight that playback will not be affected. I'm looking forward to running these LP's through my RCM in the morning and then giving them a go turned up loud.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: November 20, 2025 15:36

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Who would listen to something like that voluntarily? I mean, really...

Well, if you don't like Mick Taylor, listen to somebody else.

Well, I really like Mick Taylor, but it's this kind of artsy-fartsy faceless stuff (amongst other reasons) that let his solo career end in tiny clubs with only a few handfuls of people in attendance im(h)o.



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CAUTION, Dolby ATMOS B&B SuperDeluxe Version on Tidal
Posted by: VOODOOSEBI ()
Date: November 14, 2025 23:23

I've just listened to the new Black & Blue Dolby Atmos mix on my system for the first time. The Atmos mix is very quiet, which is why I had to turn the music system all the way up. The first three tracks at least sounded interesting and different if you're used to the old recordings. But there is a flaw with Tidal. Memory Motel is the only track (I haven't checked all the live tracks) not in Dolby Atmos but only in stereo. This stereo track feels 40dB louder than the Atmos track and almost shot my system and my ears. At least I hope everything is still okay, my ears are still whistling.

I don't want this to be taken as clickbait or a sensationalist headline, but as an explicit warning to your speakers and ears.

All the best

Re: CAUTION, Dolby ATMOS B&B SuperDeluxe Version on Tidal
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 15, 2025 20:51

Holy crap.

Good call on letting people know.

Tidal needs to be informed.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Captainchaos ()
Date: November 20, 2025 16:47

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slewan

Jeff Beck in the Rolling Stones is like genius playing with bloody amateurs. There surely is a reason why Mick Taylor quit…


That's an exaggeration to me, despite the difference in level. Jeff Beck and the Stones got along very well. Listen to "Going Down" in 2012. That's a guitar party on stage, Wood, Richards, Jagger and Watts smiling at Jeff Beck all the time.

Jeff Beck is one of the players that took Old School Rock to a different level.
About the first rocker who ripped the famous Hendrix E7#9-chord off in Rock , left the root out and put the third on string 5 instead. The Wes Montgomery approach. That's addictive for Jazz/Rock/Fusion guitarists.

Mick Taylor gave it a little attempt on the tune “Tusks 1987”, clearly influenced by Jeff Beck. How I wish he had played like this with the Stones in 2012:




Who would listen to something like that voluntarily? I mean, really...


I thought this was pretty darn decent to be honest, but I can also see that for some it might feel a little ‘sweaty’

I do wish he’d put some music out with a great band behind him, even if it’s just live. Such a shame for us fans that he seems content where he is now & not release anything. I’m happy for him but selfishly want some fresh blistering playing from him.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: exilestones ()
Date: November 20, 2025 21:07


Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: November 20, 2025 21:16

I’ve tried in the past on this site to keep my chiming in positive, and usually try and joke (tho my humor may be too dry I realize), but on this matter I found myself so annoyed in the car this morning listening to the Steve Wilson remix on CD I rushed home to spill my unwanted opinion here…

Aargh, ugh, nope. This remix (of the original Black & Blue) has had the teeth taken out of it. The bass and drums hits that used to grab me are gone, especially at the opening and closing moments of the songs. The whole thing sounds like a smoothed over bed of cotton candy. And since it was my car CD player I grabbed my original CD copy to play in the car and compare, and it confirmed my thoughts.

As for the Earl’s Court stuff I personally love what I’ve heard and am grateful for it, but I don’t see myself playing the remix Black & Blue over my original copies of vinyl or CD.

Unwanted opinion spillage concluded.



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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: November 20, 2025 21:40

Thanks snoopy2. Personally I like hearing different opinions. I'm still waiting on my box set to arrive so I can't say anything yet. But oddly I'm surprised to hear anything negative about Steve Wilson's re-mixes, although he can't be infallible. Come to think of it I'm one the people offended by his lowering Ritchie Blackmore's intro of Highway Star on Made In Japan. This subject has been beaten to death on the internet but that was a standout moment on the record I never realized until now. Anyhow, we still the original version and some others too. Hey, I hope you get some flat LP replacements too!

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: westonkeef ()
Date: November 20, 2025 22:23

The review of the super deluxe set in the December issue of Uncut magazine mentions the mixing error in "Hot Stuff":
"near unforgivable gaffe...glaring".
They rate the box set 8/10.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: November 21, 2025 02:18

First chart debut in Japan:
[www.oricon.co.jp]

#43 with 1253 sales

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 21, 2025 03:36

Enjoy the difference in the remix.

Love it.

Hate it.

Be bored with it.

Be ok with it.

Like it.

Don't like it.

OK.

No big deal.

Nothing is ruined.

I dig it. I haven't listened to it with headphones yet but from what I've heard I like the differences. Will it be what I listen to more so, overall or in playlists? Probably not.

Quality control issues aside, it's a new way of listening to something, which they did with GHS, which I like a lot.

It's something else, right?

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: November 21, 2025 08:43

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Thanks snoopy2. Personally I like hearing different opinions. I'm still waiting on my box set to arrive so I can't say anything yet. But oddly I'm surprised to hear anything negative about Steve Wilson's re-mixes, although he can't be infallible. Come to think of it I'm one the people offended by his lowering Ritchie Blackmore's intro of Highway Star on Made In Japan. This subject has been beaten to death on the internet but that was a standout moment on the record I never realized until now. Anyhow, we still the original version and some others too. Hey, I hope you get some flat LP replacements too!

Appreciate the response.. First, yes, the RS shop is sending me replacement vinyl after I sent them video/photos of the warping, so kudos to them for that and hopefully I get a better copy.. I felt a tinge of regret posting my thoughts on the remix so played the entire B&B CD thru again, didn’t hate it, but as soon as I put in the old copy again it made the remix just kinda milquetoast to me, nothing wrong with that, just not for me.

Glad others are enjoying it. I love the box-set overall.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Barkerboy2 ()
Date: November 21, 2025 11:48

So just to clarify, is the title of the song 'I love Ladies' or 'I Love A Lady'?
I know it has been referred to as I Love Ladies for years - and on Spotify it is listed as I Love Ladies, but on the 2 CD edition I have, it is listed as I Love A Lady...
It's even on youtube as I Love Ladies.
Do I have a mis-printed edition? :'D

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: UrbanSteel ()
Date: November 21, 2025 13:26

First CD is Rest Of The World, the second (SHM)CD is Japan Only.




Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: alexander paul ()
Date: November 21, 2025 13:34

On the sources of the new released jams from 1975, all from Rotterdam:

-Freeway jam, we heard this one before as part of the Rotterdam rehearsals, at least I am familiar with that one.

Can anyone offer some help to identify the other two jams in the Rotterdam rehearsals/recordings, e.g. Frankenstein 113-116, by StonyRoad.

-Rotterdam jam (with Jeff Beck and Robert A. Johnson), one of the various funky jams, but which one?.

-Blues Jam (with Jeff Beck, can this be the long blues at the end of disc 4 (Frankenstein)?

Thanks,

Alex.



Alex

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Barkerboy2 ()
Date: November 21, 2025 13:51

Interesting - thank you!

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 21, 2025 13:54

Sounds like Mick is singing both "I love a lady" and "I love ladies"? Might have added to the confusion?

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Elmo Lewis ()
Date: November 21, 2025 14:40

B & B is the album that got me hooked on The Stones. I truly love it. It is embedded in my bones.

That said, "I Love A Lady" and "Shame" are good listening fun. The jams, not so much.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: HardRiffin ()
Date: November 21, 2025 15:41

I Love Ladies is a really good song. Shame is enjoyable.
The jams are usless.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 21, 2025 15:44

Keith on fire during the Chuck Berry jam is not useless to me. Damn, he is on a roll there!

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: retired_dog ()
Date: November 21, 2025 16:00

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Enjoy the difference in the remix.

Love it.

Hate it.

Be bored with it.

Be ok with it.

Like it.

Don't like it.

OK.

No big deal.

Nothing is ruined.

I dig it. I haven't listened to it with headphones yet but from what I've heard I like the differences. Will it be what I listen to more so, overall or in playlists? Probably not.

Quality control issues aside, it's a new way of listening to something, which they did with GHS, which I like a lot.

It's something else, right?

Poetry at its finest.

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