my mother who was 19 and a highschool senior in 1976 and not really a big stones fan remembers fool to cry being played on the radio a lot at the time

and despite never owning the album or any greatest hits comp beyond hot rocks 50 years later she still remembers the lyrics well enough to sing along to it

not that i'm doubting maidenlane's memories

but mom's not the only person that age i've known who remembers fool to cry

so at the very least that song got a good amount of airplay

at least in my area



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Fool To Cry video got alotta
screenings down here in 76 .....



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I got mine.
The Paris bluray is fantastic.

Great versions of YCAGWYW and Outta Space, to name a couple.

IMO that is not a great version of Outta Space.The live album has some excellent performances,but that isn’t one

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The album failed to chart on the Billboard 200, becoming the first of their reissues to miss the chart; their previous lowest position was Some Girls at #46 in 2011.

The group has been experiencing a serious popularity problem in the United States for the past year and a half, having not had an album charting on the Billboard 200 since July 2014 with Hot Rocks. This is by far their longest gap in the streaming era (2009-2010) and their longest since 1999-2002 (No Security through Forty Licks).

It seems to me that the band has done very little to promote this reissue; they haven't given any interviews or made any TV appearances.

Many artists and bands do zero promotion and their albums are still on the charts week after week, or at least entering and leaving every now and then.

The Stones are declining too quickly in popularity in the United States, you can see it in the charts and in the streaming numbers, I would say that nowadays they are not even in the Top 50 of legacy artists, when until a couple of years ago they were in the Top 20.

The Rolling Stones seem very popular in the USA. They sell out every stadium with high ticket prices.

The Black and Blue deluxe reissue had been delayed. Not to mention that it was sold out for a while.

Say something nice.

Yes, but it's to an ageing and affluent demographic, no? Where are the new, younger fans?

As Nigel Tufnel of Spiñal Tap put it, “we’re just more exclusive now.”

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my mother who was 19 and a highschool senior in 1976 and not really a big stones fan remembers fool to cry being played on the radio a lot at the time

and despite never owning the album or any greatest hits comp beyond hot rocks 50 years later she still remembers the lyrics well enough to sing along to it

not that i'm doubting maidenlane's memories

but mom's not the only person that age i've known who remembers fool to cry

so at the very least that song got a good amount of airplay

at least in my area

Beautiful.

That's really something.

As an aside, it's not strictly because of airplay.

Think "clouds in my coffee", from one of the greatest songs ever with a fantastic lyric that transcends the intent.

Fool To Cry, as much as I thought it dragged down whatever compilation for years, is a fantastic and beautiful song and is amongst their best ballads.

A part of me wishes I was coherent about the previous deluxe reissues.

Coherent being subjective, in this case: a lot going on in life and regardless of what is what, the print won't change.

The price does, though.

In my admiration for The Rolling Stones I got the deluxe reissues of SF, TY and GHS after their deluxe releases. Did I pay more? I'm not sure. If I paid a little more... twenty, thirty... then I did.

As I recall I didn't.

Cost wise, I understand having a line, though. Wanting to have the deluxe box set because of whatever vs just the music, well, of course, having Apple or Tidal makes sense: sound quality is king and they pay better per artists than the joke of a streaming music platform that so many people use because they're lazy or ignorant.

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my mother who was 19 and a highschool senior in 1976 and not really a big stones fan remembers fool to cry being played on the radio a lot at the time

and despite never owning the album or any greatest hits comp beyond hot rocks 50 years later she still remembers the lyrics well enough to sing along to it

not that i'm doubting maidenlane's memories

but mom's not the only person that age i've known who remembers fool to cry

so at the very least that song got a good amount of airplay

at least in my area

Beautiful.

That's really something.

As an aside, it's not strictly because of airplay.

Think "clouds in my coffee", from one of the greatest songs ever with a fantastic lyric that transcends the intent.

Fool To Cry, as much as I thought it dragged down whatever compilation for years, is a fantastic and beautiful song and is amongst their best ballads.

i fully agree and meant to imply that



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my mother who was 19 and a highschool senior in 1976 and not really a big stones fan remembers fool to cry being played on the radio a lot at the time

and despite never owning the album or any greatest hits comp beyond hot rocks 50 years later she still remembers the lyrics well enough to sing along to it

not that i'm doubting maidenlane's memories

but mom's not the only person that age i've known who remembers fool to cry

so at the very least that song got a good amount of airplay

at least in my area

Beautiful.

That's really something.

As an aside, it's not strictly because of airplay.

Think "clouds in my coffee", from one of the greatest songs ever with a fantastic lyric that transcends the intent.

Fool To Cry, as much as I thought it dragged down whatever compilation for years, is a fantastic and beautiful song and is amongst their best ballads.

i fully agree and meant to imply that

If that don't pick me up and knock me down...

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my mother who was 19 and a highschool senior in 1976 and not really a big stones fan remembers fool to cry being played on the radio a lot at the time

and despite never owning the album or any greatest hits comp beyond hot rocks 50 years later she still remembers the lyrics well enough to sing along to it

not that i'm doubting maidenlane's memories

but mom's not the only person that age i've known who remembers fool to cry

so at the very least that song got a good amount of airplay

at least in my area

Beautiful.

That's really something.

As an aside, it's not strictly because of airplay.

Think "clouds in my coffee", from one of the greatest songs ever with a fantastic lyric that transcends the intent.

Fool To Cry, as much as I thought it dragged down whatever compilation for years, is a fantastic and beautiful song and is amongst their best ballads.

i fully agree and meant to imply that

If that don't pick me up and knock me down...

ok i wrote that wrong

i meant to say that i thought i implied that

sorry



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my mother who was 19 and a highschool senior in 1976 and not really a big stones fan remembers fool to cry being played on the radio a lot at the time

and despite never owning the album or any greatest hits comp beyond hot rocks 50 years later she still remembers the lyrics well enough to sing along to it

not that i'm doubting maidenlane's memories

but mom's not the only person that age i've known who remembers fool to cry

so at the very least that song got a good amount of airplay

at least in my area

Beautiful.

That's really something.

As an aside, it's not strictly because of airplay.

Think "clouds in my coffee", from one of the greatest songs ever with a fantastic lyric that transcends the intent.

Fool To Cry, as much as I thought it dragged down whatever compilation for years, is a fantastic and beautiful song and is amongst their best ballads.

i fully agree and meant to imply that

If that don't pick me up and knock me down...

ok i wrote that wrong

i meant to say that i thought i implied that

sorry

LOL

The hand of fate is heavy now
It pick you up and it knock you down

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my mother who was 19 and a highschool senior in 1976 and not really a big stones fan remembers fool to cry being played on the radio a lot at the time

and despite never owning the album or any greatest hits comp beyond hot rocks 50 years later she still remembers the lyrics well enough to sing along to it

not that i'm doubting maidenlane's memories

but mom's not the only person that age i've known who remembers fool to cry

so at the very least that song got a good amount of airplay

at least in my area

Four out of five dentists who read IORR.ORG will agree that they wore the grooves out of Black & Blue. That's why we're here.

The point remains that, upon release, B&B was thoroughly slogged by the critics. It reminds me of the lukewarm reception accorded GHS. Everyone was expecting a hard rocking record like Emotional Rescue. Instead they got Mick's art house Bread-style (the band from the early 1970s) softer ballads. It's Only Rock 'n Roll veered into wah-wah impressionism as top notes over the ballads. B&B didn't come back to the expected hard rock -- it took a step back towards the softer touches of GHS with twists of funk and jazz, seasoned with hints of the disco to come.

Like I said, the album was panned. It just strikes me as odd choice for a rerelease at this time when better choices are waiting in the wings. Like It's Only Rock 'n Roll, for example. Or Voodoo Lounge. Or Let It Bleed. Or 12 x 5, for pete's sake.

As I am not the 5th dentist, I really love the 2 extra tracks here, as well as the jams. Even if I think Harvey was not a great fit.

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Four out of five dentists who read IORR.ORG will agree that they wore the grooves out of Black & Blue. That's why we're here.

The point remains that, upon release, B&B was thoroughly slogged by the critics. It reminds me of the lukewarm reception accorded GHS. Everyone was expecting a hard rocking record like Emotional Rescue. Instead they got Mick's art house Bread-style (the band from the early 1970s) softer ballads. It's Only Rock 'n Roll veered into wah-wah impressionism as top notes over the ballads. B&B didn't come back to the expected hard rock -- it took a step back towards the softer touches of GHS with twists of funk and jazz, seasoned with hints of the disco to come.

Like I said, the album was panned. It just strikes me as odd choice for a rerelease at this time when better choices are waiting in the wings. Like It's Only Rock 'n Roll, for example. Or Voodoo Lounge. Or Let It Bleed. Or 12 x 5, for pete's sake.

No one was expecting GOATS HEAD SOUP to be like EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1973.

VOODOO got an expanded reissue - with the B-sides as the bonus material.
Anything from IORR has most likely been released - on the GHS and TY deluxe reissues.

LET IT BLEED and 12X5, which was just a tidying up release, have nothing to do with The Rolling Stones. ABKCO made it's big stink with the 50th anniversary LIB reissue, hilariously available here:

[therollingstonesshop.com]

I frequently listen to Spotify and I'm not lazy or ignorant. I have all the Stones albums on CD and most on Vinyl. I own superdeluxe versions of GHS, TY, SF. I bought them all some months after release for about half the list price. When B&B comes down in price, whether it's a new or a pristine second hand copy, I will buy it.
Yes Black and Blue was panned in 76 - I remember it well - 'Sometimes you can't even get what you need' was the headline of one UK music paper's review. I have never enjoyed Cherry Oh Baby - it sounds clumsy and stilted to me - but although albums like Let it Bleed have objectively better songs, there is something about the other 7 tracks on B&B that make it my favourite Stones album. This might be sentiment - I was approaching 14 years of age, and it was my first 'new' Stones album.

I hope to enjoy the next one as much, 50 years on, approaching 64 this time

As I still can’t seem to get my hands on the Super Deluxe CD set here in US, I’m thinking I may just go for what iTunes has for like $23, which includes Earls Court. I ‘think’ all I’d really be missing is the video of the Paris show, which looks to be on YouTube, and is probably a watch it once and done. Am I missing something else that’s significant? I don’t need posters/books.



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As I still can’t seem to get my hands on the Super Deluxe CD set here in US, I’m thinking I may just go for what iTunes has for like $23, which includes Earls Court. I ‘think’ all I’d really be missing is the video of the Paris show, which looks to be on YouTube, and is probably a watch it once and done. Am I missing something else that’s significant? I don’t need posters/books.

i don't have it either

from reading what people who do have it posted here the paris video looks a bit better on the blu ray vs. youtube

but the real draw for me to the blu ray is that unlike the video on youtube paris on the blu ray has stereo sound and some here have claimed it's superior sound wise to earls court

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As I still can’t seem to get my hands on the Super Deluxe CD set here in US.

Amazon is a click away.

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As I still can’t seem to get my hands on the Super Deluxe CD set here in US, I’m thinking I may just go for what iTunes has for like $23, which includes Earls Court. I ‘think’ all I’d really be missing is the video of the Paris show, which looks to be on YouTube, and is probably a watch it once and done. Am I missing something else that’s significant? I don’t need posters/books.

i don't have it either

from reading what people who do have it posted here the paris video looks a bit better on the blu ray vs. youtube

but the real draw for me to the blu ray is that unlike the video on youtube paris on the blu ray has stereo sound and some here have claimed it's superior sound wise to earls court

The sound of the Paris show is far beyond of those put on YouTube! It's in stereo and sounds very close, rough and fresh.
It's an absolutly outstanding document of their 76 tour and you should go here:

[iorr.org]

I just can’t stop listening to this show.



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Four out of five dentists who read IORR.ORG will agree that they wore the grooves out of Black & Blue. That's why we're here.

The point remains that, upon release, B&B was thoroughly slogged by the critics. It reminds me of the lukewarm reception accorded GHS. Everyone was expecting a hard rocking record like Emotional Rescue. Instead they got Mick's art house Bread-style (the band from the early 1970s) softer ballads. It's Only Rock 'n Roll veered into wah-wah impressionism as top notes over the ballads. B&B didn't come back to the expected hard rock -- it took a step back towards the softer touches of GHS with twists of funk and jazz, seasoned with hints of the disco to come.

Like I said, the album was panned. It just strikes me as odd choice for a rerelease at this time when better choices are waiting in the wings. Like It's Only Rock 'n Roll, for example. Or Voodoo Lounge. Or Let It Bleed. Or 12 x 5, for pete's sake.

No one was expecting GOATS HEAD SOUP to be like EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1973.

VOODOO got an expanded reissue - with the B-sides as the bonus material.
Anything from IORR has most likely been released - on the GHS and TY deluxe reissues.

LET IT BLEED and 12X5, which was just a tidying up release, have nothing to do with The Rolling Stones. ABKCO made it's big stink with the 50th anniversary LIB reissue, hilariously available here:

[therollingstonesshop.com]

Voodoo Lounge got an expanded reissue? What have I missed please? Or do you mean the reissue simply with the 10” EP containing all previously released material? If so, that’s hardly an expanded release in my opinion. Just a repackage of what is already available.

Rod



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Hi, to all of you.

I've 2 questions about my deluxe B&B I bought. Yesterday it came at home.

1) My dvd is not correct,(I think) in the meaning that it stops at 3/4 in the song of "Street Fighting Man" for more than 15sec than it goes further with sound and dvd on the screen.
Has someone of you thesame problem?

2) Earls on DVD is this only the sound? I don't see any DVD on my TV screen
(Only sound)

Thanks for some answers, tioms

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Hi, to all of you.

I've 2 questions about my deluxe B&B I bought. Yesterday it came at home.

1) My dvd is not correct,(I think) in the meaning that it stops at 3/4 in the song of "Street Fighting Man" for more than 15sec than it goes further with sound and dvd on the screen.
Has someone of you thesame problem?

2) Earls on DVD is this only the sound? I don't see any DVD on my TV screen
(Only sound)

Thanks for some answers, tioms

DVD? Where you got DVD version?

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Hi, to all of you.

I've 2 questions about my deluxe B&B I bought. Yesterday it came at home.

1) My dvd is not correct,(I think) in the meaning that it stops at 3/4 in the song of "Street Fighting Man" for more than 15sec than it goes further with sound and dvd on the screen.
Has someone of you thesame problem?

2) Earls on DVD is this only the sound? I don't see any DVD on my TV screen
(Only sound)

Thanks for some answers, tioms

Seemingly, there have been problems with the bluray for some, reported here in this thread. Earl's Court is just an audio live album.

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Four out of five dentists who read IORR.ORG will agree that they wore the grooves out of Black & Blue. That's why we're here.

The point remains that, upon release, B&B was thoroughly slogged by the critics. It reminds me of the lukewarm reception accorded GHS. Everyone was expecting a hard rocking record like Emotional Rescue. Instead they got Mick's art house Bread-style (the band from the early 1970s) softer ballads. It's Only Rock 'n Roll veered into wah-wah impressionism as top notes over the ballads. B&B didn't come back to the expected hard rock -- it took a step back towards the softer touches of GHS with twists of funk and jazz, seasoned with hints of the disco to come.

Like I said, the album was panned. It just strikes me as odd choice for a rerelease at this time when better choices are waiting in the wings. Like It's Only Rock 'n Roll, for example. Or Voodoo Lounge. Or Let It Bleed. Or 12 x 5, for pete's sake.

No one was expecting GOATS HEAD SOUP to be like EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1973.

VOODOO got an expanded reissue - with the B-sides as the bonus material.
Anything from IORR has most likely been released - on the GHS and TY deluxe reissues.

LET IT BLEED and 12X5, which was just a tidying up release, have nothing to do with The Rolling Stones. ABKCO made it's big stink with the 50th anniversary LIB reissue, hilariously available here:

[therollingstonesshop.com]

I was expecting a hard rocking album like ER when GHS came out. So that’s at least one person.

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Four out of five dentists who read IORR.ORG will agree that they wore the grooves out of Black & Blue. That's why we're here.

The point remains that, upon release, B&B was thoroughly slogged by the critics. It reminds me of the lukewarm reception accorded GHS. Everyone was expecting a hard rocking record like Emotional Rescue. Instead they got Mick's art house Bread-style (the band from the early 1970s) softer ballads. It's Only Rock 'n Roll veered into wah-wah impressionism as top notes over the ballads. B&B didn't come back to the expected hard rock -- it took a step back towards the softer touches of GHS with twists of funk and jazz, seasoned with hints of the disco to come.

Like I said, the album was panned. It just strikes me as odd choice for a rerelease at this time when better choices are waiting in the wings. Like It's Only Rock 'n Roll, for example. Or Voodoo Lounge. Or Let It Bleed. Or 12 x 5, for pete's sake.

No one was expecting GOATS HEAD SOUP to be like EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1973.

VOODOO got an expanded reissue - with the B-sides as the bonus material.
Anything from IORR has most likely been released - on the GHS and TY deluxe reissues.

LET IT BLEED and 12X5, which was just a tidying up release, have nothing to do with The Rolling Stones. ABKCO made it's big stink with the 50th anniversary LIB reissue, hilariously available here:

[therollingstonesshop.com]

I was expecting a hard rocking album like ER when GHS came out. So that’s at least one person.

What album is ER? Emotional Rescue? That came out many years ago years after GHS

I think he ment he expected an album like E.R. (more rock orientated) much earlier but instead het got an album like G.S. and later B&B and years later he finally got it with E.R.

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Four out of five dentists who read IORR.ORG will agree that they wore the grooves out of Black & Blue. That's why we're here.

The point remains that, upon release, B&B was thoroughly slogged by the critics. It reminds me of the lukewarm reception accorded GHS. Everyone was expecting a hard rocking record like Emotional Rescue. Instead they got Mick's art house Bread-style (the band from the early 1970s) softer ballads. It's Only Rock 'n Roll veered into wah-wah impressionism as top notes over the ballads. B&B didn't come back to the expected hard rock -- it took a step back towards the softer touches of GHS with twists of funk and jazz, seasoned with hints of the disco to come.

Like I said, the album was panned. It just strikes me as odd choice for a rerelease at this time when better choices are waiting in the wings. Like It's Only Rock 'n Roll, for example. Or Voodoo Lounge. Or Let It Bleed. Or 12 x 5, for pete's sake.

No one was expecting GOATS HEAD SOUP to be like EMOTIONAL RESCUE in 1973.

VOODOO got an expanded reissue - with the B-sides as the bonus material.
Anything from IORR has most likely been released - on the GHS and TY deluxe reissues.

LET IT BLEED and 12X5, which was just a tidying up release, have nothing to do with The Rolling Stones. ABKCO made it's big stink with the 50th anniversary LIB reissue, hilariously available here:

[therollingstonesshop.com]

Voodoo Lounge got an expanded reissue? What have I missed please? Or do you mean the reissue simply with the 10” EP containing all previously released material? If so, that’s hardly an expanded release in my opinion. Just a repackage of what is already available.

Yeah, the 30th anniversary. I said expanded but officially it's a limited edition with the 10" B-sides EP. There's a handful of decent unreleased tracks from those sessions, including Keith's You Got It Made, which really should've been released.

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I think he ment he expected an album like E.R. (more rock orientated) much earlier but instead het got an album like G.S. and later B&B and years later he finally got it with E.R.

Thank you GJV for translating. English is my first language.

Heads up for those considering purchasing the vinyl box set — There seems to be a quality control issue with the Earl’s Court vinyl pressing.

My replacement box came today and the problem is identical to my first box set:

The Black and Blue vinyl is fine, but all three discs (vinyl) of Earl’s Court are warped. Disc 1 and 2 are slightly warped, annoying but workable, disc 3 you can see it waving at you like a DNA strand from across the room.

RS Store kindly sent a replacement the first time but I no longer want to chance it. Surely I can’t be the only one receiving these? I know others have said theirs were fine, but..



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Just found out the Steve Wilson Remix on the Bluray (5.1 mix) has a dynamic range of 14. Played Hand Of Fate so far and I'm very happy with it.

Regardless of whatever, today I was listening to the remix and pondered:

What would Gazza think?

Which got me thinking, why do the Rolling Stones take so long to do these expanded deluxe 'extra' reissues?

It dawned on me - they don't care.

It's contractual. Otherwise they wouldn't bother.

Jimmy Cliff just died at 81. On top of many others that have died, off the top of my head, all younger than Mick and Keith.

We all keep considering better from them, whether its archival live releases or deluxe reissues or a new album - they continue. They're so far beyond that they should be able to imitate themselves fantastically.

They don't. They continue, here and eventually there.



The reason why, I think, anyway, that we continue to consider better is - they keep going. They have slowed down in regard to touring, as far back as 2014? I haven't recently looked. NO FILTER was probably it. Slowed down in the amount of shows... and it has overlapped into new albums.

Don't blame them. Oh, wait. It was Mick that said something along the lines of 'We're not The Beach Boys, we're a functioning band.'

Either Mick forgot he said that or he stopped caring.

Here we are, on the verge of another new Stones album in four or five months, the second in roughly 3 years and second after 18 years.

It's very likely The Rolling Stones will play something, at least one song, from BLACK AND BLUE in 2026. If they play two, great. Pretty sure those will be Fool To Cry and Memory Motel. They're not really capable of playing anything else other than Melody at this point.

Hopefully they do play Memory Motel as the last encore. What a way to go out for their last European tour.

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Regardless of whatever, today I was listening to the remix and pondered:

What would Gazza think?

Which got me thinking, why do the Rolling Stones take so long to do these expanded deluxe 'extra' reissues?

It dawned on me - they don't care.

It's contractual. Otherwise they wouldn't bother.

Jimmy Cliff just died at 81. On top of many others that have died, off the top of my head, all younger than Mick and Keith.

We all keep considering better from them, whether its archival live releases or deluxe reissues or a new album - they continue. They're so far beyond that they should be able to imitate themselves fantastically.

They don't. They continue, here and eventually there.



The reason why, I think, anyway, that we continue to consider better is - they keep going. They have slowed down in regard to touring, as far back as 2014? I haven't recently looked. NO FILTER was probably it. Slowed down in the amount of shows... and it has overlapped into new albums.

Don't blame them. Oh, wait. It was Mick that said something along the lines of 'We're not The Beach Boys, we're a functioning band.'

Either Mick forgot he said that or he stopped caring.

Here we are, on the verge of another new Stones album in four or five months, the second in roughly 3 years and second after 18 years.

It's very likely The Rolling Stones will play something, at least one song, from BLACK AND BLUE in 2026. If they play two, great. Pretty sure those will be Fool To Cry and Memory Motel. They're not really capable of playing anything else other than Melody at this point.

Hopefully they do play Memory Motel as the last encore. What a way to go out for their last European tour.

Yep, Memory Motel as the last one would be ACE!