The new remix is interesting. It separates a lot of that old tape “glue”, which I’m actually not sure how much I love. Lots of EQ cleanup as well. It’s an interesting listen and I’m glad we have it however.

I don’t know what it is, but I’m not super in love with Billy Preston’s piano sound. How many songs did Hopkins actually record for these sessions? Just Fool to Cry? No unreleased material?



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Well, there's a terrific BBC Radio rendition of Berry's 'Too Much Monkey Business', performed by the Yardbirds, featuring Jeff Beck - so that's one, for now!

Oh, you are so right, Big AI. The Yardbirds did do that one from Berry.

Cold 'Hot'-less Stuff
Matrices for the remixed album from 1CD and 2CD editions
Matrix CD 1: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 24 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L551
Mould Sid Code: IFPI 94K1

Matrix CD 1: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 45 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L557
Mould Sid Code: IFPI 94K8

Matrix CD: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 54 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L551
Mould SID Code: IFPI 94K4

Well, the main part is the work order A0103530988-0101. It is identical for all three.

All three versions are cold 'Hot'-less.

What disc is with Superdeluxe box? Still waiting for mine to arrive.

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He didn't audition. He went there to help them recording a couple tracks. The very instant he understood that wasn't happening, he left.

All of this according to himself.

Jeff Beck in the Rolling Stones is like genius playing with bloody amateurs. I'm glad he didn't join them. If he did he might have ended up like Nils Lofgren ended up in th E-Street band, i.e. two solos each shows and having to play far below his capabilities for the rest of the show (but having a steading job). There surely is a reason why Mick Taylor quit…

Oh c’mon, he was not a genius The Stones are genius if anyone is.Tim Rice said Jagger is greatest lyricist ever.Maybe hyperbole, but still great.And the unique sound of the Stones lies in Keith Bill and Charlie.What great songs did Beck ever write? What great riffs.He never was able to play in a band for long where he had to be part of the band and not the focal point.His playing on Jagger ‘s solo albums are certainly not genius.Great guitarist , but no genius.And had he joined the Stones he would not have been like Segovia playing with a first year guitarist.

I can see why people regard Beck as one the best electric guitarists ever, right there with Hendrix, and from a technical point of view perhaps even the best. But I just can't listen to Beck...All this wizardry and his use of the tremolo bar makes it just not listenable for me. It's the same with Eddie van Halen: I can see that his technique is incredible, but I just can't stand any of his solo's, it's just not musical in any sense. The same with Bonamassa: incredible player, but to listen for more than 10 minutes to his endless screaming solos of 1000 notes per second is impossible for me.

Mathijs

Mathijs, I can more than understand having a dislike for his jazz-fusion work - not ‘my thing’ at all - but his Yardbirds work is pretty solid. Although, I too, dislike his post-1960’s sound - or did it start with the Jeff Beck Group? - I do, however, enjoy his live renditions of Hendrix’s Little Wing. His guitar is simply soaring.

Received my box set today (vinyl edition).

As for the book I personally think it’s pretty good, especially if you’re someone who doesn’t know this album well (and I imagine most non hardcore fans don’t). It gives a good overview.

There are a couple nice shots of Bill Wyman who seems to have been pushed aside on some of these re-releases. I did not see any photos of Ian Stewart tho, even in the concert pics (I’ll have to go look again) and since he’s credited, and an “original” member I would've enjoyed seeing one or two.

The Blu-ray was hidden at the back cover of the book and at first I thought they’d forgotten it. I know I can look up what’s on it but there is no printed material saying what is.

Overall I think this is one of the better box releases

I'm not sure which "guest" plays on which jam?

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I'm not sure which "guest" plays on which jam?

Mandel on Berry Jam

Beck and Robert A. Johnson on the other three.

Richards is on all of them, no Wood.

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Cold 'Hot'-less Stuff
Matrices for the remixed album from 1CD and 2CD editions
Matrix CD 1: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 24 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L551
Mould Sid Code: IFPI 94K1

Matrix CD 1: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 45 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L557
Mould Sid Code: IFPI 94K8

Matrix CD: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 54 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L551
Mould SID Code: IFPI 94K4

Well, the main part is the work order A0103530988-0101. It is identical for all three.

All three versions are cold 'Hot'-less.

What disc is with Superdeluxe box? Still waiting for mine to arrive.

I have the strong feeling that all physical editions (CD & LP) are hot-less (and will always be). The only fix was done quick and dirty on YouTube.

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Cold 'Hot'-less Stuff
Matrices for the remixed album from 1CD and 2CD editions
Matrix CD 1: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 24 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L551
Mould Sid Code: IFPI 94K1

Matrix CD 1: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 45 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L557
Mould Sid Code: IFPI 94K8

Matrix CD: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 54 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L551
Mould SID Code: IFPI 94K4

Well, the main part is the work order A0103530988-0101. It is identical for all three.

All three versions are cold 'Hot'-less.

What disc is with Superdeluxe box? Still waiting for mine to arrive.

I have the strong feeling that all physical editions (CD & LP) are hot-less (and will always be). The only fix was done quick and dirty on YouTube.

I wonder what happens if (enough) people start to complain? Will the Stones offer a replacement?

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I have the strong feeling that all physical editions (CD & LP) are hot-less (and will always be). The only fix was done quick and dirty on YouTube.

The fix was done for all streaming platforms/digital downloads. Not only on youtube. For Hi-Res too. Although, Hi-Res does not sound any better - DR7 is DR7 for all formats.

I have a slight hope for Japanese edition UICY-80684. The release is delayed till December 5. They have some extra time to make changes. You know, they have a history with 'slightly different' versions and takes in Japan. Not for The Rolling Stones yet, but for that other, lesser known, guitar driven British pop-combo from Liverpool.



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I have a slight hope for Japanese edition UICY-80684. The release is delayed till December 5. They have some extra time to make changes.

YES lets hope so Ironbelly .... I am waiting



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The only fix was done quick and dirty on YouTube.

It was done across all music media platforms to my knowledge. Apple has the fixed version.

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Although, Hi-Res does not sound any better - DR7 is DR7 for all formats.

Would be interesting to know, if the Dolby Atmos on the BluRay has a better mastering. If so, a stereo-downmix could help.

Paris. Ooh la la. Been busy with work and all so first listen in the set was this on bluray. Awesome. Can’t get enough.. stuff. Sorry. But yeah. Where’s my replacement for the missing “hot” in the stuff? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Paris. Ooh la la. Been busy with work and all so first listen in the set was this on bluray. Awesome. Can’t get enough.. stuff. Sorry. But yeah. Where’s my replacement for the missing “hot” in the stuff? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's probably not going to happen. Why bother reprinting X amount of hard copies that aren't that many sold to begin with? The digital fix was easier.

Well to be honest, I probably wouldn’t have even noticed it was missing until someone pointed it out here.

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Paris. Ooh la la. Been busy with work and all so first listen in the set was this on bluray. Awesome. Can’t get enough.. stuff. Sorry. But yeah. Where’s my replacement for the missing “hot” in the stuff? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's probably not going to happen. Why bother reprinting X amount of hard copies that aren't that many sold to begin with? The digital fix was easier.

They did correct the channel switch on Tokyo Live and did send out new hard copies. However, they probably didn't think it was worth it. Let's see!

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Fantastic release! Love everything, including the jams. Like being in the room when people are auditioning. Great stuff

Actually, I prefer Earl's Court to LA Friday.

I have to say they are growing on me...the sound is fabulous, really a miracle how they got such a good sound. Frustrating though to know they have loads more in this incredible quality!

I grew up on LA Friday, I have been listening to the gig for the last 40 years. It was one of the great cassette bootlegs I had when I was 12...So for me to prefer Earl's Court over LA would be sacrilege. But I'll do my best!

Mathijs

Haha, I get that, totally get that!

So, after a couple of days listening: I still have mixed feelings about the Earl's Court release. On the new tracks they play fantastic -Hand of Fate, Hot Stuff and especially Hey Negrita, several tracks are just great, like HTW and IYCRM, but from IORR on I find the performance lacking quite a bit. Brown Sugar, Midnight Rambler, JJF, SFM are all subpar, and Sympathy was so much better in 1975 I think.

I prefer the 1975 setlist over 1976, I miss All Down The Line, Fingerprint File, Angie, Wild Horses, Heartbreaker...

And sound wise I absolutely prefer LA Friday: On LA Friday the drums sound fantastic, the guitars aggressive and clear, and Jagger's voice is upfront. And this is my biggest gripe with EC: Jagger's vocals are mixed way in the back, and sound boxy and boomy. In fact so much that Star Star is quite unlistenable. The drums sound quite boomy and compressed as well, the hi-hat is hardly audible and the snare sounds like a tom.

I am happy we have the recording, I think it is much better than I expected of a 1976 show, but I prefer LA Friday in just about every aspect. It might be that I am a bit too conditioned after 40 years of listening to LA Friday....

Mathijs

Agreed. Flat and mediocre performance.
I find when Jagger is up and about (80% of the time) the shows are excellent.
Even though the Taylor era shows can have the odd flat show, at least you had some searing solo to admire and maybe lift the show.
Anyway...good to hear.

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Paris. Ooh la la. Been busy with work and all so first listen in the set was this on bluray. Awesome. Can’t get enough.. stuff. Sorry. But yeah. Where’s my replacement for the missing “hot” in the stuff? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's probably not going to happen. Why bother reprinting X amount of hard copies that aren't that many sold to begin with? The digital fix was easier.

They did correct the channel switch on Tokyo Live and did send out new hard copies. However, they probably didn't think it was worth it. Let's see!

In the case of Tokyo'90 it was more or less clear - there was a contact listed on Eagle Rock web page. Where to sent a question about replacement this time?

PS. I sent the following letter to udiscover@umusic.com
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Dear Madam/Sir,

I am writing to you regarding the recent release of The Rolling Stones – Black and Blue (2025 Remix).
I purchased the 2-CD deluxe edition (catalogue number: Rolling Stones Records – 00602478229640, Polydor – 00602478229640), and I have identified an obvious mastering error on CD1, Track 1 – “Hot Stuff”: the word “Hot” is missing at approximately 2:50.

The disc matrix information is as follows:
Matrix CD1: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 24 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L551
Mould SID Code: IFPI 94K1

This mastering defect has already been noted in the Uncut magazine review, and the mistake has reportedly been corrected in the streaming and download versions.

I would therefore like to know whether there are any plans to replace the faulty discs. If so, I would appreciate information on how I can request or apply for a replacement.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.
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Let's see how it will work.



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Paris. Ooh la la. Been busy with work and all so first listen in the set was this on bluray. Awesome. Can’t get enough.. stuff. Sorry. But yeah. Where’s my replacement for the missing “hot” in the stuff? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's probably not going to happen. Why bother reprinting X amount of hard copies that aren't that many sold to begin with? The digital fix was easier.

There are two well-known cases when they actually sent replacement CDs.

1. Singles 1971–2006 box set (a.k.a. 45x45).
The original Disc 23, Track 2 — I Think I’m Going Mad — had a glitch (mastering, or more likely, a glass-master cutting defect). That disc was replaced twice.

- The first replacement fixed the glitch but introduced a new problem: the cue point was set in the wrong place, so the start of Track 2 was accidentally glued to the end of Track 1. As a result, the first seconds of Track 2 were missing when played individually.

- After another wave of complaints, they sent a second replacement disc with all issues finally corrected.

Keep in mind, the whole box was limited to only 10,000 copies. Yet they still bothered to offer replacements to everyone who complained — two times, no less.

2. Tokyo ’90 CDs from The Vault series.
This time the left and right channels were swapped. I don’t know how many copies were sold (maybe georgelicks knows), but replacements were definitely sent on request. Probably not more than a few hundred people asked for it.

So, you know, it is worth trying to ask. They’ve fixed their mistakes before, even when the numbers were tiny.

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Paris. Ooh la la. Been busy with work and all so first listen in the set was this on bluray. Awesome. Can’t get enough.. stuff. Sorry. But yeah. Where’s my replacement for the missing “hot” in the stuff? Inquiring minds want to know.

It's probably not going to happen. Why bother reprinting X amount of hard copies that aren't that many sold to begin with? The digital fix was easier.

They did correct the channel switch on Tokyo Live and did send out new hard copies. However, they probably didn't think it was worth it. Let's see!

In the case of Tokyo'90 it was more or less clear - there was a contact listed on Eagle Rock web page. Where to sent a question about replacement this time?

PS. I sent the following letter to udiscover@umusic.com
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Dear Madam/Sir,

I am writing to you regarding the recent release of The Rolling Stones – Black and Blue (2025 Remix).
I purchased the 2-CD deluxe edition (catalogue number: Rolling Stones Records – 00602478229640, Polydor – 00602478229640), and I have identified an obvious mastering error on CD1, Track 1 – “Hot Stuff”: the word “Hot” is missing at approximately 2:50.

The disc matrix information is as follows:
Matrix CD1: (Universal Logo) 00602475070375 A0103530988-0101 24 A00
Mastering SID Code: IFPI L551
Mould SID Code: IFPI 94K1

This mastering defect has already been noted in the Uncut magazine review, and the mistake has reportedly been corrected in the streaming and download versions.

I would therefore like to know whether there are any plans to replace the faulty discs. If so, I would appreciate information on how I can request or apply for a replacement.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.
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Let's see how it will work.

Wouldn't it be impossible to remove a word in the mix during the mastering process. Otherwise, thanks for letting them know!

Harvey Mandel, what a great guitarist.

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Wouldn't it be impossible to remove a word in the mix during the mastering process.

It must have been by Steven Wilson during the re-mix when he aligned the tracks. Here're pictures of him in his home studio: [SoundOnSound.com] . The brickwalled mastering was probably by someone else.

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Harvey Mandel, what a great guitarist.

Not my favourite. Drowning in his own effects. He can play, of course, but not my cup of tea. On the Berry jam it's very evident that he was a bad fit for the Stones.

I agree with Bill

«Harvey Mandel had too many effects, echoes and foot pedals. Keith ended up saying: “Bollocks to all that, just play the @#$%& thing!” We weren’t a gimmicks band. We were just messing with people to see how they fitted, really. And no one quite did.

Harvey Mandel used too many electronic effects, which wasn't really Stonesy. He wasn't right at all. He was into his own thing.»



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Wouldn't it be impossible to remove a word in the mix during the mastering process.

It must have been by Steven Wilson during the re-mix when he aligned the tracks. Here're pictures of him in his home studio: [SoundOnSound.com] . The brickwalled mastering was probably by someone else.

Yep, sounds plausible.

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Harvey Mandel, what a great guitarist.

Not my favourite. Drowning in his own effects. He can play, of course, but not my cup of tea. On the Berry jam it's very evident that he was a bad fit for the Stones.

I agree with Bill

«Harvey Mandel had too many effects, echoes and foot pedals. Keith ended up saying: “Bollocks to all that, just play the @#$%& thing!” We weren’t a gimmicks band. We were just messing with people to see how they fitted, really. And no one quite did.

Harvey Mandel used too many electronic effects, which wasn't really Stonesy. He wasn't right at all. He was into his own thing.»

Works great on "Hot Stuff" though an otherwise pretty nondescript "jam". Besides he didn't have any outrageous effects on "Memory Motel". As usual the Stones (mostly Keith) just used people and say stuff that fits the story/mood of the day. It happened so many times over the years, Brian, Taylor, Preston, etc...

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Harvey Mandel, what a great guitarist.

Not my favourite. Drowning in his own effects. He can play, of course, but not my cup of tea. On the Berry jam it's very evident that he was a bad fit for the Stones.

I agree with Bill

«Harvey Mandel had too many effects, echoes and foot pedals. Keith ended up saying: “Bollocks to all that, just play the @#$%& thing!” We weren’t a gimmicks band. We were just messing with people to see how they fitted, really. And no one quite did.

Harvey Mandel used too many electronic effects, which wasn't really Stonesy. He wasn't right at all. He was into his own thing.»

Works great on "Hot Stuff" though an otherwise pretty nondescript "jam". Besides he didn't have any outrageous effects on "Memory Motel". As usual the Stones (mostly Keith) just used people and say stuff that fits the story/mood of the day. It happened so many times over the years, Brian, Taylor, Preston, etc...

I agree with this. Mandel can and would use effects, but he didn't always. Anybody into American blues music needs to listen to Stand Back! Here Comes Charley Musselwhite's South Side Band. It is an absolute must listen to actual Chicago blues legends.

Besides, the Stones went into the whole phasing/flanging on every guitar there for a few years so I think the comment is an excuse more than anything else.

Anyone else get warped vinyl?

Played all three discs of Earl’s Court this morning and they’re so warped you can see it from across the room.

Enjoying Shame Shame and getting into I love the ladies(a lot going on in this track).The Chuck Berry Jam is awesome.Can’t really detect any drastic changes to the album.However this is from listening from Spotify.Maybe when the vinyl arrives the changes will be more apparent.The Earls Court recording is amazing,almost as good as El Mocambo.Liking the snippets from Les Abattoirs .

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Anyone else get warped vinyl?

Which edition? Black or Coloured? The stickers of the black 1LP/2LP/5LP say 'Made in France' - so probably pressed by MPO.