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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: November 15, 2025 17:57

The Paris audio from the Blue ray is excellent stereo, in fact even better than Earl's Court: less boomy, better drum sound.

Mathijs



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-15 18:03 by Mathijs.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: quietbeatle ()
Date: November 15, 2025 19:27

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Mathijs
The Paris audio from the Blue ray is excellent stereo, in fact even better than Earl's Court: less boomy, better drum sound.

Mathijs

Can you share the audio? Thanks so much if so

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: plusplusjames ()
Date: November 15, 2025 19:34

One thing about I Love Ladies... Mick sure sings those lyrics like he means them!

I can't imagine for the life of me why "I Love Ladies" and "Shame Shame Shame" were not originally included in Black 'n Blue back in 1976. That album only had 8 songs on it. They could've have filled it out with these additional tracks.

Keith would've gotten over the disco direction. Anyway, that was vibe of the time, what with Studio 54 emerging.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: shadooby ()
Date: November 15, 2025 19:38

Mick’s ‘76 falsetto would’ve sounded better than 2025’s too.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: RobertJohnson ()
Date: November 15, 2025 19:46

I am very happy with the Super Deluxe Edition. I particularly like the jams. The Berry jam reveals that Keith may not be the best guitarist of all time, but he is definitely the best Berry guitarist. The blues jam shows the band at its best. And Earls Court is a gem that is on a par with LA 75 in terms of quality and sound. Both guitarists are at the peak of their abilities, and Billy Preston's keyboard playing is absolutely virtuosic. So far, I've only streamed it, so I can't comment on the Blu-ray yet.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 15, 2025 20:03

The 2 disc edition showed up yesterday, the super is delayed. Haven't listened to the album yet but have listened to disc 2 except Shame Shame Shame on Apple Music. The instrumentals I suppose will work for house cleaning music, otherwise there's not much there.

The printed lyrics are different - and supposedly with keeping with the original remix release of Hot Stuff, there is a line that says

SHAKE I UP

Reviews about the 120 page book don't sound encouraging.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 15, 2025 21:30

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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: November 15, 2025 21:42

IMO the MVPs of the jams are Charlie and Bill. They were something special.

Jeff Beck on Blue Jam is icing on the cake.

Richards and Mandel on Berry Jam are great too



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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 15, 2025 21:56

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GasLightStreet
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micha063
Another teaser:

Fool To Cry Live from Les Abattoirs:



Keith didn't fall asleep that time.

It's funky. Some great playing in that. Mick's timing is horrendous as usual. Billy really makes the song work.



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TheflyingDutchman
Mick is syncopating just like Keith. Nothing horrendous about it . Nothing funky either. Even Darryl Jones didn't play funk with the Rolling Stones. Bill played an octave based classic disco line on "Miss You".That's about it. Here are the Rolling Stones doing a Black and Blue song called "Fool to cry". Doing their utmost. Presenting a straight forward live version of a romantic rock ballad. A decent performance thanks to Preston as well.

Compared to the LP version and any other live performances eons later it absolutely is funky.

Mick's timing of phrases is sped up, hurried, whatever, which is the meaning behind "horrendous", something he's done over the years for reasons unknown.



Jagger always admired James Brown, both as a singer and as a stage performer.That's the subconscious reasoning behind your reply I assume.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: MelBelli ()
Date: November 15, 2025 22:56

Cross-posted from the Riff Cousins thread. Hope no one minds!

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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 16, 2025 03:17

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MelBelli
Cross-posted from the Riff Cousins thread. Hope no one minds!

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At some point some Stones cover band will play that song and a someone at home/couch player will chime in like that person did.

I guess that means I mind; no need for couch players to play what is available to listen to.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: November 16, 2025 11:54

So now we kind of know what the Stones would have sounded like if Beck had joined

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: November 16, 2025 11:59

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Taylor1
So now we kind of know what the Stones would have sounded like if Beck had joined

We knew that since the outtakes came out in the early 1980's.

And you only have to listen to She's The Boss and Primitive Cool how awful it would have been had he joined.

But according to Robert A. Johnson: the great guitar hunt never was a great guitar hunt, when he arrived in Rotterdam they made clear they already settled for Wood.

Mathijs



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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: KeithNacho ()
Date: November 16, 2025 12:36

Berry jam is a masterpiece compilation of berry's licks. Hats off Keith.
Love ladies is the song i have enjoyed the most since.....30 years ago?
The shame cover is outstanding.
In both, Jagger at his best.
Now i have more pieces to make my own tatoo you 2

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: JMARCOU ()
Date: November 16, 2025 12:55

For me and many friends of mine, the live parts are excellents.
The studio part is disappointing.
J.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: November 16, 2025 13:06

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KeithNacho
Now i have more pieces to make my own tatoo you 2

Add songs like Plundered My Soul and Criss Cross Man there might be enough.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: IrelandCalling4 ()
Date: November 16, 2025 14:55

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frankotero
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KeithNacho
Now i have more pieces to make my own tatoo you 2

Add songs like Plundered My Soul and Criss Cross Man there might be enough.

I've a killer Tattoo You 2 playlist also - the TY Lost & Found tracks, plus Criss Criss/All the Rage/Scarlet/Plundered/So Divine. Will add I Love Ladies and Shame Shame to it

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: November 16, 2025 16:36

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Taylor1
So now we kind of know what the Stones would have sounded like if Beck had joined

It would have been fantastic. You're right about "kind of" because I can only imagine how awesome he would have sounded on Jumping Jack Flash and Heartbreaker etc.

IMO, I Love Ladies is the best thing they've released since Tattoo You



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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: November 16, 2025 18:07

6 unreleased songs on Exile in 2010
11 unreleased songs on SG in 2011 (So Young was released in 1994)
3 unreleased songs on GHS in 2020
8 unreleased songs on TY in 2021
2 unreleased songs on B&B in 2025

That's 30 unreleased songs from 1970-1980 released during the last 15 years (2010-2025)

+ 2 covers on Boogie Wih Stu in 2011
+ 2 new songs on GRRR in 2012
+ Ghost Town in 2020
+ Zydeco's song from 2025

We have 3 albums worth of new/old material released during the last 15 years plus Blue and Lonesome and Hackney Diamonds.



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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: kkhoranstoned ()
Date: November 16, 2025 18:59

Question will the stones be doing interviews about this release?

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 16, 2025 19:21

GeorgeLicks posted that Mick had taken some time off recently (Portugal ?) to have a rest before doing some promo work for B&B.

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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: georgelicks ()
Date: November 16, 2025 19:25

That's what was circulating in the industry a few weeks ago; he always did interviews before each reissue. It surprises me that he hasn't done anything until now.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: drwatts ()
Date: November 16, 2025 19:39

Sympathy. Whew!!! I wish they'd play it funky like this these days. Woo Woo!

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 16, 2025 19:48

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Mathijs
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Taylor1
So now we kind of know what the Stones would have sounded like if Beck had joined

We knew that since the outtakes came out in the early 1980's.

And you only have to listen to She's The Boss and Primitive Cool how awful it would have been had he joined.

But according to Robert A. Johnson: the great guitar hunt never was a great guitar hunt, when he arrived in Rotterdam they made clear they already settled for Wood.

Mathijs

Yeah that was something that stood out in the article...which might be incorrect because Perkins was still clearly in "contention" after that (spending time with Keith at Redlands)...now maybe they had settled for Wood then considered Perkins (at least Keith) and then went back to Wood.

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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 16, 2025 19:54

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KeithNacho
Berry jam is a masterpiece compilation of berry's licks. Hats off Keith.
Love ladies is the song i have enjoyed the most since.....30 years ago?
The shame cover is outstanding.
In both, Jagger at his best.
Now i have more pieces to make my own tatoo you 2

Yep, great track with its TTYs2 vibes. It reminds me of another great lost track, "Crushed Pearl" with Mick's vocals, kindly shared by Glimmerman earlier this year.


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gotdablouse

Has anyone had a chance to take a close look at the book ? Anything new/interesting in terms of interviews, sessions logs, credits ?

So has anyone opened the book that comes with the Super Deluxe ? Probably nothing of interest/new if there haven't been any comments :-(

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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 16, 2025 20:29

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TravelinMan
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Taylor1
So now we kind of know what the Stones would have sounded like if Beck had joined

It would have been fantastic. You're right about "kind of" because I can only imagine how awesome he would have sounded on Jumping Jack Flash and Heartbreaker etc.

IMO, I Love Ladies is the best thing they've released since Tattoo You


Thank God it didn't happen. Great albums like "Blow by Blow" and "Wired" might probably not have existed. It would have been musical suicide for a musical giant like Jeff Beck had he joined the Stones.



Beck himself spoke about his audition for the band in 2012 and recalled that, after spending the day together, they realised they were on completely different paths.

“Eventually, we got into the same room together and I started playing Bill Wyman’s bass so hard the dust was flying off,” Beck told Ultimate Classic Rock. “I wandered off and the engineer, Glyn Johns, said, ‘That’s incredible!’ I said, ‘One for the archives, mate. I’m leaving tomorrow.’

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: TravelinMan ()
Date: November 16, 2025 20:35

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TheflyingDutchman
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TravelinMan
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Taylor1
So now we kind of know what the Stones would have sounded like if Beck had joined

It would have been fantastic. You're right about "kind of" because I can only imagine how awesome he would have sounded on Jumping Jack Flash and Heartbreaker etc.

IMO, I Love Ladies is the best thing they've released since Tattoo You


Thank God it didn't happen. Great albums like "Blow by Blow" and "Wired" might probably not have existed. It would have been musical suicide for musical giant like Jeff Beck had he joined the Stones.



Beck himself spoke about his audition for the band in 2012 and recalled that, after spending the day together, they realised they were on completely different paths.

“Eventually, we got into the same room together and I started playing Bill Wyman’s bass so hard the dust was flying off,” Beck told Ultimate Classic Rock. “I wandered off and the engineer, Glyn Johns, said, ‘That’s incredible!’ I said, ‘One for the archives, mate. I’m leaving tomorrow.’

Oh for sure I agree. It is the stuff of fantasies. Beck would never have done it, but I would have loved to hear him on some of the warhorses.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 16, 2025 20:48

The Earls Court performances of Hand Of Fate and Hey Negrita are incredible. Even Fool To Cry is way out there.

Ain't Too Proud To Beg is strange.

What a weird band. Live the new material is killer, and slower older material is killer and everything else is a super fast grunt or has some odd tones and pace, like IORR.

Much better live album than LA FRIDAY thanks to the new songs.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 16, 2025 21:40

The 2 compact disc release has the Hot Stuff error!!!!

Still waiting for the Super to arrive. Knowing the 2 disc reissue has it the super should - and that means the vinyl as well.

Which makes sense - why recall a few thousand copies? Can hear the correct version on AppleMusic.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: November 16, 2025 21:45

Harvey Mandel sounds great on Chuck Berry Jam

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