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For Black and Blue 2025, I've made a small sales statistic - [iorr.org] . Interestingly, the 4CD+BR edition was the best-selling one. Since most Stones fans grew up with Vinyl, one would think the Vinyl edition would sell better, but this wasn't the case.
And they don't skip when someone walks past the turntable.
wow i like that better then the actual black and blue cover
Think I’ll hold off on the survey until the weekend lol
Instead of the jams they could've included actual songs.
They also could've included unedited versions of Worried About You and Slave - those takes are most likely over 7 minutes long like a lot of what they did for decades. A no-fade of Crazy Mama. If it was recorded, the original idea of what became Start Me Up, which I've only read about, never actually come across any evidence of such a thing. Cellophane Trousers is an obvious one to include - the highly touted "all new music" for UNDERCOVER not being true but no one in 1983 probably knew that then - unless someone here had some studio boots from the 1975 sessions.
Black and Blue's cover art has always been my favorite of all Stones albums. I keep planning to find frames for a couple of fold-out LP covers, B&B being one.
I agree the newly released alternative promo art is kick-ass too. That needs to be released as a poster or litho.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-12 06:34 by TheBluesHadaBaby.
I don't think the release was pushed back. There are some delays in shipping the Vinyl in some countries but that has been the case with other releases too.
In Germany for example release date is this Friday on Amazon, Bravado and JPC.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-12 09:33 by hockenheim95.
Are you taking about the reggae version sometimes called Never Stop? What about the one on Tattoo You Deluxe? I have that on several boots. The Art Collins Tapes has what you’re referring too also. Would’ve nice to have any of those included here.
Great review! I am not sure if I agree on your review of the Paris video: I find the image and sound aren't any better than my old VHS tape, unfortunately.
Mathijs
The one we have heard is from the Some Girls sessions. Allegedly, there is an early version from the Black And Blue sessions, but that has never been confirmed.
Built That Way seems like a no-brainer
Looking forward to Earl’s Court! Listening to GHS disc 2 and agree some missed opportunity with BAB bonus disc but looking forward to I love Ladies!
Thank you…
Awesome, thank you. So many great photos of them exist, but this one IMO ranks way up there.
I believe great music should always arrive in great graphic art, and am disappointed when, as too often happens it doesn't. No disappointment here.
sounds like the real treat in this box for me will be earls court
thank you for your wonderful review
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Re: Black and Blue 2025
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Irix
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Date: November 10, 2025 12:35
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GasLightStreet
With vinyl outselling CDs and cassettes as a hard copy format CDs continue to sell but based on things I've read CDs are still selling less each year.
For Black and Blue 2025, I've made a small sales statistic - [iorr.org] . Interestingly, the 4CD+BR edition was the best-selling one. Since most Stones fans grew up with Vinyl, one would think the Vinyl edition would sell better, but this wasn't the case.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: November 10, 2025 16:27
Personally I don't see much reason to buy vinyl these days unless it's a very special pressing. Since word got out they use the same digital files for vinyl and CDs I normally go for the CD set, they take less space and not as heavy. Although if I had a small collection it would be great to have the full LP size editions.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
kovach
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Date: November 10, 2025 18:50
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frankotero
Personally I don't see much reason to buy vinyl these days unless it's a very special pressing. Since word got out they use the same digital files for vinyl and CDs I normally go for the CD set, they take less space and not as heavy. Although if I had a small collection it would be great to have the full LP size editions.
And they don't skip when someone walks past the turntable.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: November 10, 2025 20:03
Disappointed the deluxe addition doesn’t have alternate takes of songs released on the album.And alternate takes of Worried About You and Slave.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
shadooby
()
Date: November 10, 2025 21:25
Yup. They missed out on a lot on the ouuttakes disc. Such a missed opportunity it really makes no sense. Not sure who’s really putting these sets together anymore.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: November 10, 2025 22:53
Quote
TIRED
cool image now on jpc.de:
wow i like that better then the actual black and blue cover
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Maindefender
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Date: November 10, 2025 23:14
Quick response from uMusic customer care regarding Hot Stuff:
“Thank you for your patience! The official audio for this track will be what you will receive and hear when your item arrives!“
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-10 23:15 by Maindefender.
“Thank you for your patience! The official audio for this track will be what you will receive and hear when your item arrives!“
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-10 23:15 by Maindefender.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
ironbelly
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Date: November 11, 2025 00:32
I love customer support no matter country or companyQuote
Maindefender
Quick response from uMusic customer care regarding Hot Stuff:
“Thank you for your patience! The official audio for this track will be what you will receive and hear when your item arrives!“
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
gotdablouse
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Date: November 11, 2025 00:32
Now that's helpful !
Yeah, pretty ridiculous TBH...I guess they just can't be bothered to do things properly like pretty much everyone else out there, just commission a guy to remix (not paying him enough to do any kind of QC apparently), upsample an old crappy video (instead of working out a deal to access the original tapes), rerecord a couple of songs, throw in some jams, that'll do...
I'll wait to hear if the book is any good and has anything new apart from the decades old stories that have been rehashed to death before buying this set, might as well stream it for free if not.
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shadooby
Yup. They missed out on a lot on the ouuttakes disc. Such a missed opportunity it really makes no sense. Not sure who’s really putting these sets together anymore.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous TBH...I guess they just can't be bothered to do things properly like pretty much everyone else out there, just commission a guy to remix (not paying him enough to do any kind of QC apparently), upsample an old crappy video (instead of working out a deal to access the original tapes), rerecord a couple of songs, throw in some jams, that'll do...
I'll wait to hear if the book is any good and has anything new apart from the decades old stories that have been rehashed to death before buying this set, might as well stream it for free if not.
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IORR Links : Essential Studio Outtakes CDs : Audio - History of Rarest Outtakes : Audio
Re: Black and Blue 2025
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Maindefender
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Date: November 11, 2025 01:16
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ironbellyI love customer support no matter country or companyQuote
Maindefender
Quick response from uMusic customer care regarding Hot Stuff:
“Thank you for your patience! The official audio for this track will be what you will receive and hear when your item arrives!“
Think I’ll hold off on the survey until the weekend lol
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Lien
()
Date: November 11, 2025 22:34
.The Sound Lounge
216-220 High Street
Sutton SM1 1NU
Rolling Stones ‘Black and Blue’ night: Marcus Bonfanti, David Sinclair, Helen Hurd live + pre-recorded Ronnie Wood interview + win the new box set!
A special evening in celebration of the classic 1976 album
No Stones fan will want to miss this unique night, on the eve of release of the much-anticipated deluxe reissue of the band’s key 1976 album ‘Black and Blue.’
Music writer, Sound Lounge patron and longtime Stones contributor Paul Sexton (also the author of ‘Charlie’s Good Tonight: The Authorised Biography of Charlie Watts’) has written the extensive essay for the 2025 edition, which features a brand new interview with the band’s recent arrival of the time, Ronnie Wood. Tonight you can hear audio highlights from that conversation as well as previously unissued tracks from the new edition AND live interpretations of tracks from the LP by a hand-picked band of contributors including songwriter-frontmen Marcus Bonfanti and David Sinclair, the latter’s DS4 guitarist and bandmate Geoff Peel, rock vocalist Helen Hurd and the rhythm section from Keiron Marshall’s Blues Matters, Tom Daley and Nigel Appleton.
But even that’s not all! Courtesy of Universal Music, everyone who buys a ticket for tonight’s event will be entered into a prize draw to WIN one of the various formats of the new release. You’d be a fool to cry - the hand of fate is telling you to check into the memory motel for some hot stuff ????
Tickets ; [vivenu.com]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-11 23:41 by Lien.
216-220 High Street
Sutton SM1 1NU
Rolling Stones ‘Black and Blue’ night: Marcus Bonfanti, David Sinclair, Helen Hurd live + pre-recorded Ronnie Wood interview + win the new box set!
A special evening in celebration of the classic 1976 album
No Stones fan will want to miss this unique night, on the eve of release of the much-anticipated deluxe reissue of the band’s key 1976 album ‘Black and Blue.’
Music writer, Sound Lounge patron and longtime Stones contributor Paul Sexton (also the author of ‘Charlie’s Good Tonight: The Authorised Biography of Charlie Watts’) has written the extensive essay for the 2025 edition, which features a brand new interview with the band’s recent arrival of the time, Ronnie Wood. Tonight you can hear audio highlights from that conversation as well as previously unissued tracks from the new edition AND live interpretations of tracks from the LP by a hand-picked band of contributors including songwriter-frontmen Marcus Bonfanti and David Sinclair, the latter’s DS4 guitarist and bandmate Geoff Peel, rock vocalist Helen Hurd and the rhythm section from Keiron Marshall’s Blues Matters, Tom Daley and Nigel Appleton.
But even that’s not all! Courtesy of Universal Music, everyone who buys a ticket for tonight’s event will be entered into a prize draw to WIN one of the various formats of the new release. You’d be a fool to cry - the hand of fate is telling you to check into the memory motel for some hot stuff ????
Tickets ; [vivenu.com]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-11 23:41 by Lien.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
frankotero
()
Date: November 11, 2025 23:24
Clearly somebody's hearing the release before the original date that seems to be pushed back. Anyhow, to those in attendance I wish you happy rocking!
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: November 12, 2025 05:21
Quote
gotdablouse
Now that's helpful !Quote
shadooby
Yup. They missed out on a lot on the ouuttakes disc. Such a missed opportunity it really makes no sense. Not sure who’s really putting these sets together anymore.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous TBH...I guess they just can't be bothered to do things properly like pretty much everyone else out there, just commission a guy to remix (not paying him enough to do any kind of QC apparently), upsample an old crappy video (instead of working out a deal to access the original tapes), rerecord a couple of songs, throw in some jams, that'll do...
I'll wait to hear if the book is any good and has anything new apart from the decades old stories that have been rehashed to death before buying this set, might as well stream it for free if not.
Instead of the jams they could've included actual songs.
They also could've included unedited versions of Worried About You and Slave - those takes are most likely over 7 minutes long like a lot of what they did for decades. A no-fade of Crazy Mama. If it was recorded, the original idea of what became Start Me Up, which I've only read about, never actually come across any evidence of such a thing. Cellophane Trousers is an obvious one to include - the highly touted "all new music" for UNDERCOVER not being true but no one in 1983 probably knew that then - unless someone here had some studio boots from the 1975 sessions.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
TheBluesHadaBaby
()
Date: November 12, 2025 06:31
Quote
ProfessorWolfQuote
TIRED
cool image now on jpc.de:
wow i like that better then the actual black and blue cover
Black and Blue's cover art has always been my favorite of all Stones albums. I keep planning to find frames for a couple of fold-out LP covers, B&B being one.
I agree the newly released alternative promo art is kick-ass too. That needs to be released as a poster or litho.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-12 06:34 by TheBluesHadaBaby.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
hockenheim95
()
Date: November 12, 2025 09:32
Quote
frankotero
Clearly somebody's hearing the release before the original date that seems to be pushed back. Anyhow, to those in attendance I wish you happy rocking!
I don't think the release was pushed back. There are some delays in shipping the Vinyl in some countries but that has been the case with other releases too.
In Germany for example release date is this Friday on Amazon, Bravado and JPC.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-12 09:33 by hockenheim95.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
claudine
()
Date: November 12, 2025 10:39
Quote
TIRED
cool image now on jpc.de:
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
shadooby
()
Date: November 12, 2025 12:39
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
gotdablouse
Now that's helpful !Quote
shadooby
Yup. They missed out on a lot on the ouuttakes disc. Such a missed opportunity it really makes no sense. Not sure who’s really putting these sets together anymore.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous TBH...I guess they just can't be bothered to do things properly like pretty much everyone else out there, just commission a guy to remix (not paying him enough to do any kind of QC apparently), upsample an old crappy video (instead of working out a deal to access the original tapes), rerecord a couple of songs, throw in some jams, that'll do...
I'll wait to hear if the book is any good and has anything new apart from the decades old stories that have been rehashed to death before buying this set, might as well stream it for free if not.
Instead of the jams they could've included actual songs.
They also could've included unedited versions of Worried About You and Slave - those takes are most likely over 7 minutes long like a lot of what they did for decades. A no-fade of Crazy Mama. If it was recorded, the original idea of what became Start Me Up, which I've only read about, never actually come across any evidence of such a thing. Cellophane Trousers is an obvious one to include - the highly touted "all new music" for UNDERCOVER not being true but no one in 1983 probably knew that then - unless someone here had some studio boots from the 1975 sessions.
Are you taking about the reggae version sometimes called Never Stop? What about the one on Tattoo You Deluxe? I have that on several boots. The Art Collins Tapes has what you’re referring too also. Would’ve nice to have any of those included here.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
MadMetaphoricalMax
()
Date: November 12, 2025 13:28
Here's a link to my review of the full set for The Arts Desk ...
https://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/rolling-stones-black-blue-turns-50-new-reissue
Hope you enjoy the read - the takeaway for me is that Les Abbatoirs is BRILLIANT - beautifully filmed, and not as lo fi as the web versions are (though still only mid-range quality), the Earls COurt set is great, stronger than quite a lot of LYL, with less sloppy Mick Vocals and the band sounds great in that cavern...
The jams, well, some of them are ok, but as I say in the piece there is so much they could have chosen, and these jams are the dullest - the boxed set needs to come with a nice fat wrap of smack & blow to get that live in the studio jam feeling...
The main album remix is good, but again, it goes for separation and clarity, and that is not always what you want in a Stones record. I wonder of the fade in on Hey Negrita carries over into the final package... it's not right!
https://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/rolling-stones-black-blue-turns-50-new-reissue
Hope you enjoy the read - the takeaway for me is that Les Abbatoirs is BRILLIANT - beautifully filmed, and not as lo fi as the web versions are (though still only mid-range quality), the Earls COurt set is great, stronger than quite a lot of LYL, with less sloppy Mick Vocals and the band sounds great in that cavern...
The jams, well, some of them are ok, but as I say in the piece there is so much they could have chosen, and these jams are the dullest - the boxed set needs to come with a nice fat wrap of smack & blow to get that live in the studio jam feeling...
The main album remix is good, but again, it goes for separation and clarity, and that is not always what you want in a Stones record. I wonder of the fade in on Hey Negrita carries over into the final package... it's not right!
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: November 12, 2025 15:38
Quote
MadMetaphoricalMax
Here's a link to my review of the full set for The Arts Desk ...
https://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/rolling-stones-black-blue-turns-50-new-reissue
Hope you enjoy the read - the takeaway for me is that Les Abbatoirs is BRILLIANT - beautifully filmed, and not as lo fi as the web versions are (though still only mid-range quality), the Earls COurt set is great, stronger than quite a lot of LYL, with less sloppy Mick Vocals and the band sounds great in that cavern...
The jams, well, some of them are ok, but as I say in the piece there is so much they could have chosen, and these jams are the dullest - the boxed set needs to come with a nice fat wrap of smack & blow to get that live in the studio jam feeling...
The main album remix is good, but again, it goes for separation and clarity, and that is not always what you want in a Stones record. I wonder of the fade in on Hey Negrita carries over into the final package... it's not right!
Great review! I am not sure if I agree on your review of the Paris video: I find the image and sound aren't any better than my old VHS tape, unfortunately.
Mathijs
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
MadMetaphoricalMax
()
Date: November 12, 2025 16:10
Thanks Mathijs! I was glad that at least it was higher def than the Fool to Cry they put out on YouTube the other day! To my ears has a nice full sound, and those concert colours - the whole ambience - is gorgeous. ANd it is the first time I've seen anything but very low fi snippets...
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 12, 2025 16:18
Quote
shadoobyQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
gotdablouse
Now that's helpful !Quote
shadooby
Yup. They missed out on a lot on the ouuttakes disc. Such a missed opportunity it really makes no sense. Not sure who’s really putting these sets together anymore.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous TBH...I guess they just can't be bothered to do things properly like pretty much everyone else out there, just commission a guy to remix (not paying him enough to do any kind of QC apparently), upsample an old crappy video (instead of working out a deal to access the original tapes), rerecord a couple of songs, throw in some jams, that'll do...
I'll wait to hear if the book is any good and has anything new apart from the decades old stories that have been rehashed to death before buying this set, might as well stream it for free if not.
Instead of the jams they could've included actual songs.
They also could've included unedited versions of Worried About You and Slave - those takes are most likely over 7 minutes long like a lot of what they did for decades. A no-fade of Crazy Mama. If it was recorded, the original idea of what became Start Me Up, which I've only read about, never actually come across any evidence of such a thing. Cellophane Trousers is an obvious one to include - the highly touted "all new music" for UNDERCOVER not being true but no one in 1983 probably knew that then - unless someone here had some studio boots from the 1975 sessions.
Are you taking about the reggae version sometimes called Never Stop? What about the one on Tattoo You Deluxe? I have that on several boots. The Art Collins Tapes has what you’re referring too also. Would’ve nice to have any of those included here.
The one we have heard is from the Some Girls sessions. Allegedly, there is an early version from the Black And Blue sessions, but that has never been confirmed.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
TravelinMan
()
Date: November 12, 2025 16:44
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
gotdablouse
Now that's helpful !Quote
shadooby
Yup. They missed out on a lot on the ouuttakes disc. Such a missed opportunity it really makes no sense. Not sure who’s really putting these sets together anymore.
Yeah, pretty ridiculous TBH...I guess they just can't be bothered to do things properly like pretty much everyone else out there, just commission a guy to remix (not paying him enough to do any kind of QC apparently), upsample an old crappy video (instead of working out a deal to access the original tapes), rerecord a couple of songs, throw in some jams, that'll do...
I'll wait to hear if the book is any good and has anything new apart from the decades old stories that have been rehashed to death before buying this set, might as well stream it for free if not.
Instead of the jams they could've included actual songs.
They also could've included unedited versions of Worried About You and Slave - those takes are most likely over 7 minutes long like a lot of what they did for decades. A no-fade of Crazy Mama. If it was recorded, the original idea of what became Start Me Up, which I've only read about, never actually come across any evidence of such a thing. Cellophane Trousers is an obvious one to include - the highly touted "all new music" for UNDERCOVER not being true but no one in 1983 probably knew that then - unless someone here had some studio boots from the 1975 sessions.
Built That Way seems like a no-brainer
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 12, 2025 16:55
Black And Blue releaseparty in Oslo tonight!
Showtime 7 pm at Røverstaden (underneath Konserthuset)
RobberBride and yours truly will be in the panel.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-12 16:57 by DandelionPowderman.
Showtime 7 pm at Røverstaden (underneath Konserthuset)
RobberBride and yours truly will be in the panel.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-11-12 16:57 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
hockenheim95
()
Date: November 12, 2025 17:34
To anyone who already heard it - how is the sound of the Earls Court show?
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
MadMetaphoricalMax
()
Date: November 12, 2025 17:44
From my Arts Desk review:
"As for the Earls Court concert, it’s a great listen, less ragged that a lot of what went on Love You Live back in 1977, and features strikingly different takes on a number of songs, including a raved-up “Street Fighting Man” and a striking, set-closing “Sympathy for the Devil”. It retains something of the cavernous sound of the venue, with plenty of bottom end, and Jagger’s singing is a lot less sloppy, from the opening assault and battery of “Honky Tonk Women” through a superb “Hey Negrita” and “You Gotta Move”."
I really liked it, in short.
"As for the Earls Court concert, it’s a great listen, less ragged that a lot of what went on Love You Live back in 1977, and features strikingly different takes on a number of songs, including a raved-up “Street Fighting Man” and a striking, set-closing “Sympathy for the Devil”. It retains something of the cavernous sound of the venue, with plenty of bottom end, and Jagger’s singing is a lot less sloppy, from the opening assault and battery of “Honky Tonk Women” through a superb “Hey Negrita” and “You Gotta Move”."
I really liked it, in short.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Maindefender
()
Date: November 12, 2025 18:17
Quote
MadMetaphoricalMax
Here's a link to my review of the full set for The Arts Desk ...
https://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/rolling-stones-black-blue-turns-50-new-reissue
Hope you enjoy the read - the takeaway for me is that Les Abbatoirs is BRILLIANT - beautifully filmed, and not as lo fi as the web versions are (though still only mid-range quality), the Earls COurt set is great, stronger than quite a lot of LYL, with less sloppy Mick Vocals and the band sounds great in that cavern...
The jams, well, some of them are ok, but as I say in the piece there is so much they could have chosen, and these jams are the dullest - the boxed set needs to come with a nice fat wrap of smack & blow to get that live in the studio jam feeling...
The main album remix is good, but again, it goes for separation and clarity, and that is not always what you want in a Stones record. I wonder of the fade in on Hey Negrita carries over into the final package... it's not right!
Looking forward to Earl’s Court! Listening to GHS disc 2 and agree some missed opportunity with BAB bonus disc but looking forward to I love Ladies!
Thank you…
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
TheBluesHadaBaby
()
Date: November 12, 2025 18:26
Quote
claudineQuote
TIRED
cool image now on jpc.de:
Awesome, thank you. So many great photos of them exist, but this one IMO ranks way up there.
I believe great music should always arrive in great graphic art, and am disappointed when, as too often happens it doesn't. No disappointment here.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: November 12, 2025 19:31
Quote
MadMetaphoricalMax
From my Arts Desk review:
"As for the Earls Court concert, it’s a great listen, less ragged that a lot of what went on Love You Live back in 1977, and features strikingly different takes on a number of songs, including a raved-up “Street Fighting Man” and a striking, set-closing “Sympathy for the Devil”. It retains something of the cavernous sound of the venue, with plenty of bottom end, and Jagger’s singing is a lot less sloppy, from the opening assault and battery of “Honky Tonk Women” through a superb “Hey Negrita” and “You Gotta Move”."
I really liked it, in short.
sounds like the real treat in this box for me will be earls court
thank you for your wonderful review
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
MadMetaphoricalMax
()
Date: November 12, 2025 19:59
Thank you Professor Wolfman! and I hope you wont think I've over-praised the live set!
It strikes me that this early Ron period, 75-77,is the most covered, in terms of live albums, period of their career - Love You Live, LA Forum, EL Mocambo, and now this Earls COurt one...
It strikes me that this early Ron period, 75-77,is the most covered, in terms of live albums, period of their career - Love You Live, LA Forum, EL Mocambo, and now this Earls COurt one...
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