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[StonesSessions.com] - (Appendix Sessions) - lists "I’ve Got Dreams To Remember" (S0720) during the Nov./Dec. 1982 sessions at Pathe Marconi Studios, Paris. Same on [NZentgraf.de] - (821201A).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-09-25 22:35 by Irix.
Thank you for the correction, Irix.
Well there's a very good reason for that mate. Otis' Dreams To Remember is the DIRECT inspiration for Sweet Sounds Of Heaven. First time I heard HD I thought, GREAT they included that 1982 gem on the new album!
Releasing it would diminish the magic of SSOH for sure....
Yes me too, those four videos are great and so representative of the special phase the band was in, not to mention their current concert appearance.
So many fans here have good suggestions and fully understandable expectations... makes you wonder what team makes all the creative decisions in such reissues and why do they often turn out to be so different from the common hardcore fan"s wishes.
And 1971 is a bit disappointing with a release of a show we already had in excellent quality. The teaser of the Roundhouse material is fantastic, but it also drives me a bit mad that they still have it in the can....
Mathijs
It's a framework for soul ballads. Other than that the songs are not very much alike. I Got The Blues is another one that uses that style.
It's soul ballads' 12 bar blues, if you like.
He did overdubs for Exile.
Rotterdam 1975 was set up as a rehearsal room, not a studio. They rehearsed, jammed, wrote, and listened and jammed along with play-backs from the 1974 Munich sessions.
We know Slave is from Rotterdam for certain, but Worried About You might be from Munich 1975 as the released version does not future Preston or Ollie Brown while both can be heard on the Rotterdam takes.
Mathijs
Mick and Ronnie live in the UK, Keith not. And Mick seems to be more active musically these days then Keith.
Mathijs
I'd be not suprised if Keith doesn't even know about the upcoming B&B Deluxe edition. I doubt he would care
According to jpc.de the Blu-Ray Disc is only Audio.
My understanding is they cannot get an agreement with the owners for the use of the Paris 76 broadcast material.
The rumored date of the Paris footage included on the reissue is June 5.
Judging from Mick’s outfit, I don’t think any footage from this show was used in the broadcasts.
[youtu.be]
When I look at the BR title list, I think it is the French TV (A2) special “Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs” (directed by Freddy Hausser).
[www.nzentgraf.de]
4th - 7th June: Telerecording of all four Paris shows by director Freddy Hausser
for the ‘Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs’-special (see 761220A).
songs from the regular broadcast:
- Honky Tonk Women (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Hand Of Fate (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Fool To Cry (MJ/KR)-Paris 7.6.76
- Hot Stuff (MJ/KR) -Paris 7.6.76
- Star Star (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- You Gotta Move (Fred McDowell/Rev. Gary Davis) -Paris 6.6.76
- You Can’t Always Get What You Want (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Band introduction -Paris 6.6.76
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Outa Space (Billy Preston/Joe Greene) -Paris 7.6.76
- Jumpin' Jack Flash (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Street Fighting Man (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
20th December: French TV (A2) 'Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs’. Director: Freddy Hausser. Incl.
- backstage footage from Paris 04.06.76
- interview with MJ, K & RW by Freddy Hausser (Paris, ca. 05.06.76).
- Honky Tonk Women (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Hand Of Fate (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Fool To Cry (MJ/KR)-Paris 7.6.76
- Hot Stuff (MJ/KR) -Paris 7.6.76
- Star Star (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- You Gotta Move (Fred McDowell/Rev. Gary Davis) -Paris 6.6.76
- You Can’t Always Get What You Want (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Band introduction -Paris 6.6.76
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Outa Space (Billy Preston/Joe Greene) -Paris 7.6.76
- Jumpin' Jack Flash (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Street Fighting Man (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
Note: Repeated on April 7, 1977 as 'Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs’, on
May 10, 1980 as 'Direct Live: Ce Soir Les Rolling Stones'.
Thank you Nico for all your infos!!
track list BR:
Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs, Paris-Juin 1976
Intro
Honky Tonk Women
Hand of Fate
Fool To Cry
Hot Stuff
Star Star
You Gotta Move
You Can’t Always Get What You Want
Band Introductions
Happy
Outa Space
Jumpin’ Jack Flash
Street Fighting Man
Such confusion over this release; whether Paris on Bluray is visual or just audio! It is the visual I think
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Re: Black and Blue 202
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Date: September 25, 2025 21:55
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Nice to see also a 1976 show released. If I am correct from all the tours in the seventies we have at least one official release.
True I forgot that tour
I'll add the pasific "down under" -winter tour of 1973 - very different from '72 and Europe 1973.
We have seen pictures of 1972 master tapes in the vaults. Presumably these would be 16 track recordings and should be as good as the audio from the '71 shows. L&G audio is poor for an "official" release if you can even call it "official"
I absolutely agree. I have not heard very much from the European 1970 Tour, but Perth ‘73 was one of the first live bootlegs I was exposed too. It’s utterly terrific, and definitely could only benefit from a few production tweaks.
Perth was one of the earliest I had also. I would love to see a quality release from Australia '73.
The question is, do the Stones have a quality recording of the show? The audio from "Ladies and Gentlemen" left something to be desired. I read (unconfirmed) somewhere that the audio didn't come from the original tapes, but from a mint print of the film that was found in Stew's garage, so they didn't have a lot to work with.
That said, with Peter Jackson's technology on the Beatles releases, maybe it can be reworked. Of course, Jackson's technology is proprietary and he wouldn't come cheap, so that would mean spending money on the release. I doubt it would happen since the market for another release is literally dying fast.
Duck
Re: Black and Blue 2025
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plusplusjames
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Date: September 25, 2025 22:10
If I remember correctly, "Dreams to Remember" was recorded during these sessions. Odd how it is not included in the track list. Should have been.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
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Irix
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Date: September 25, 2025 22:30
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If I remember correctly, "Dreams to Remember" was recorded during these sessions.
[StonesSessions.com] - (Appendix Sessions) - lists "I’ve Got Dreams To Remember" (S0720) during the Nov./Dec. 1982 sessions at Pathe Marconi Studios, Paris. Same on [NZentgraf.de] - (821201A).
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Re: Black and Blue 2025
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plusplusjames
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Date: September 25, 2025 22:33
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If I remember correctly, "Dreams to Remember" was recorded during these sessions.
[StonesSessions.com] - (Appendix Sessions) - lists "I’ve Got Dreams To Remember" (S0720) during the Nov./Dec. 1982 sessions at Pathe Marconi Studios, Paris. Same on [www.NZentgraf.de] .
Thank you for the correction, Irix.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
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MadMax
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Date: September 25, 2025 23:40
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plusplusjames
If I remember correctly, "Dreams to Remember" was recorded during these sessions. Odd how it is not included in the track list. Should have been.
Well there's a very good reason for that mate. Otis' Dreams To Remember is the DIRECT inspiration for Sweet Sounds Of Heaven. First time I heard HD I thought, GREAT they included that 1982 gem on the new album!
Releasing it would diminish the magic of SSOH for sure....
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: September 25, 2025 23:42
so what are we to make of the lack of the black and blue promo videos on the blu-ray?
i was hoping that the mythical and elusive mercury restorations would show up on this
i was hoping that the mythical and elusive mercury restorations would show up on this
Re: Black and Blue 2025
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TIRED
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Date: September 26, 2025 00:19
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ProfessorWolf
so what are we to make of the lack of the black and blue promo videos on the blu-ray?
i was hoping that the mythical and elusive mercury restorations would show up on this
Yes me too, those four videos are great and so representative of the special phase the band was in, not to mention their current concert appearance.
So many fans here have good suggestions and fully understandable expectations... makes you wonder what team makes all the creative decisions in such reissues and why do they often turn out to be so different from the common hardcore fan"s wishes.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
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Date: September 26, 2025 02:15
looks like a terrifying fever dream
i caught the little joke at bill's expense
i caught the little joke at bill's expense
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: September 26, 2025 08:52
There's no way to know yet how this (deluxe) reissue fares compared to the previous five (oops - forgot VODOO although SF wasn't exactly, well, deluxe in regard to previously unreleased tracks) but it feels like it's going to be a failure.
OH WOW MAN MARBLE VINYL!!!
If the Stones had chosen to deluxe reissue EMOTIONAL RESCUE, with the title track hit and She's So Cold, in 2020, with an actual anniversary, duh, and the available leftovers (DUH)... I think it would've been a success.
The unedited title track. The various edits of the title track.
The battle between Mick and Keith's mixes. Anything else finished that wasn't included on TATTOO YOU.
There's also IORR and U. They missed the obvious dates with those two.
So absurd.
Are some of them too busy drinking tea and going to the Turks or Caribbean or Italy or India or Connecticut to give a damn?
There's no actual reason to know that.
Aside from Mick's "I can't be bothered" and Keith's amazed whutever-ness it's amazing anything happens. The two people to be the most bothered, Mick and Charlie, obviously, must've made a financial deal with UMe about the EXILE doc.
When they made the deal with UMG in 2008 and then again later they were most likely informed about UMe having the rights to release unreleased material.
Obviously they agreed to it because they participated in it.
Maybe there's some clause that says 'When we have released out last album then you can...' and so things will come out at some point, although if UMG waits just long enough then sales will be huge.
Why UMG? They dictate UMe.
UMG makes a deal with themselves with 2500 movie theatres to show a 10 minute documentary of the Stones in the studio for K with archival footage and whatever else is deemed necessary, even at 10% it makes more money than sales of the (deluxe) reissue.
And then it's done.
Will the Stones be forgotten in 2040? Probably not. But they're won't be any active reason to remember them - that's been done 18 times over. They tour in 2026... depending on when, Mick will be 82 or 83.
Someone will falter soon enough. They're getting to the age of things not working so well.
We all have an idea of who that will be and his name is not Mick Jagger or Ronnie Wood.
To sum it up, it's clear the Stones don't care, they just do what they do. That's understandable.
On their part. "Oh why would anyone want to hear..." etc.
It's that simple.
And... Mick can't be bothered.
OH WOW MAN MARBLE VINYL!!!
If the Stones had chosen to deluxe reissue EMOTIONAL RESCUE, with the title track hit and She's So Cold, in 2020, with an actual anniversary, duh, and the available leftovers (DUH)... I think it would've been a success.
The unedited title track. The various edits of the title track.
The battle between Mick and Keith's mixes. Anything else finished that wasn't included on TATTOO YOU.
There's also IORR and U. They missed the obvious dates with those two.
So absurd.
Are some of them too busy drinking tea and going to the Turks or Caribbean or Italy or India or Connecticut to give a damn?
There's no actual reason to know that.
Aside from Mick's "I can't be bothered" and Keith's amazed whutever-ness it's amazing anything happens. The two people to be the most bothered, Mick and Charlie, obviously, must've made a financial deal with UMe about the EXILE doc.
When they made the deal with UMG in 2008 and then again later they were most likely informed about UMe having the rights to release unreleased material.
Obviously they agreed to it because they participated in it.
Maybe there's some clause that says 'When we have released out last album then you can...' and so things will come out at some point, although if UMG waits just long enough then sales will be huge.
Why UMG? They dictate UMe.
UMG makes a deal with themselves with 2500 movie theatres to show a 10 minute documentary of the Stones in the studio for K with archival footage and whatever else is deemed necessary, even at 10% it makes more money than sales of the (deluxe) reissue.
And then it's done.
Will the Stones be forgotten in 2040? Probably not. But they're won't be any active reason to remember them - that's been done 18 times over. They tour in 2026... depending on when, Mick will be 82 or 83.
Someone will falter soon enough. They're getting to the age of things not working so well.
We all have an idea of who that will be and his name is not Mick Jagger or Ronnie Wood.
To sum it up, it's clear the Stones don't care, they just do what they do. That's understandable.
On their part. "Oh why would anyone want to hear..." etc.
It's that simple.
And... Mick can't be bothered.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: September 26, 2025 10:32
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Mabru
Nice to see also a 1976 show released. If I am correct from all the tours in the seventies we have at least one official release.
And 1971 is a bit disappointing with a release of a show we already had in excellent quality. The teaser of the Roundhouse material is fantastic, but it also drives me a bit mad that they still have it in the can....
Mathijs
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
guezeg
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Date: September 26, 2025 11:14
Yes, how come they haven't released the full Roundshouse show?!?
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Jalfstra
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Date: September 26, 2025 11:20
Why it's always Mick and Ronnie who are doing this deluxe versions and overdubbing outtakes?It seems like Keith doesn't want anything to do with it. Or could there be another reason?
Re: Black and Blue 2025
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DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 26, 2025 11:21
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plusplusjames
If I remember correctly, "Dreams to Remember" was recorded during these sessions. Odd how it is not included in the track list. Should have been.
Well there's a very good reason for that mate. Otis' Dreams To Remember is the DIRECT inspiration for Sweet Sounds Of Heaven. First time I heard HD I thought, GREAT they included that 1982 gem on the new album!
Releasing it would diminish the magic of SSOH for sure....
It's a framework for soul ballads. Other than that the songs are not very much alike. I Got The Blues is another one that uses that style.
It's soul ballads' 12 bar blues, if you like.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 26, 2025 11:23
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Jalfstra
Why it's always Mick and Ronnie who are doing this deluxe versions and overdubbing outtakes?It seems like Keith doesn't want anything to do with it. Or could there be another reason?
He did overdubs for Exile.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Jalfstra
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Date: September 26, 2025 11:25
Yeah, once, 15 years ago. But he wasn't involved in GHS, TY, Some Girls and now Black and Blue.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
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Mathijs
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Date: September 26, 2025 11:36
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Jagger's voice, guitar sound, solo and female vocals all sound 2025... What is actually the outtake part in this?
The Rotterdam studio recording, from the sessions that include Worried About You, Slave, Crazy Mama, Cherry Oh Baby, Act Together and Fool To Cry, was instrumental and it is one of several outtakes. The vocals are new (my guess is they were recorded in April or May).
Ronnie wasn't there for the Rotterdam sessions so that means he overdubbed possibly in December of 1975 or 2025 during the April and May Metropolis sessions for the new album.
Perhaps the liner notes will provide some information just like the GHS and TY reissues didn't.
Actually, Black and Blue was recorded at Musicland Studio's, Munich in December 1974 and March/April 1975. Only Worried About You and Slave were based in the the Rotterdam 1975 sessions.
Mathijs
Yes, a handful of songs were started in Rotterdam. Whether they recorded additional takes in Munich, it's likely given that the March-April Munich sessions refer to Crazy Mama 2 BLACK AND BLUE version at nzentgraf, version 3 referred to as the SIT70s version, which is just an edit for the Fool To Cry B-side, of which 3 is not a brand new recording.
Are those brand new takes or just additional work with the numeral referring to its working order of post-production, which generally seems to be the deal? Look at 1979's Hang Fire - versions 456... Neighbours 1 even though there is more than one take however in 1980 there's 2 and 3 (and Slave 2345 and Tops 2, Waiting On A Friend 234) but those are only overdubs since the band did not record in 1980 or 1981.
Considering what happened for TY it's likely some of the Rotterdam tracks had additional work done to them in Munich.
Rotterdam 1975 was set up as a rehearsal room, not a studio. They rehearsed, jammed, wrote, and listened and jammed along with play-backs from the 1974 Munich sessions.
We know Slave is from Rotterdam for certain, but Worried About You might be from Munich 1975 as the released version does not future Preston or Ollie Brown while both can be heard on the Rotterdam takes.
Mathijs
Re: Black and Blue 2025
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Mathijs
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Date: September 26, 2025 11:37
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Jalfstra
Why it's always Mick and Ronnie who are doing this deluxe versions and overdubbing outtakes?It seems like Keith doesn't want anything to do with it. Or could there be another reason?
Mick and Ronnie live in the UK, Keith not. And Mick seems to be more active musically these days then Keith.
Mathijs
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
StonedRambler
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Date: September 26, 2025 13:42
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MathijsQuote
Jalfstra
Why it's always Mick and Ronnie who are doing this deluxe versions and overdubbing outtakes?It seems like Keith doesn't want anything to do with it. Or could there be another reason?
Mick and Ronnie live in the UK, Keith not. And Mick seems to be more active musically these days then Keith.
Mathijs
I'd be not suprised if Keith doesn't even know about the upcoming B&B Deluxe edition. I doubt he would care
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
roby
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Date: September 26, 2025 13:46
I don't listen to B&B very often, but I like this album, even though you can obviously feel the decline after Mick Taylor's golden period. And also the regret that the Stones didn't keep Harvey Mandel or Wayne Perkins in the band.
Keith didn't invest much (not at all) in the Deluxe Edition, what a surprise.
The Stones are now Mick's band, HD is Mick's album (Keith is just there for decoration) and it will be the same for the next one.
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Keith didn't invest much (not at all) in the Deluxe Edition, what a surprise.
The Stones are now Mick's band, HD is Mick's album (Keith is just there for decoration) and it will be the same for the next one.
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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
frankotero
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Date: September 26, 2025 13:59
roby- very brave comments. Although I love Ronnie I have to agree with you. Let's be honest/unpopular together. A rare commodity I think.
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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
TIRED
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Date: September 26, 2025 14:47
According to jpc.de the Blu-Ray Disc is only Audio.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
JMARKO
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Date: September 26, 2025 15:11
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maumau
I remember coming across a program on Antenne2 in 1982 in which, while presenting the Stones' European tour, they aired excerpts from a 1976 concert in Paris. Could this be what we're talking about in the reissue of Black and Blue?
My understanding is they cannot get an agreement with the owners for the use of the Paris 76 broadcast material.
The rumored date of the Paris footage included on the reissue is June 5.
Judging from Mick’s outfit, I don’t think any footage from this show was used in the broadcasts.
[youtu.be]
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
werther2003
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Date: September 26, 2025 15:47
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maumau
I remember coming across a program on Antenne2 in 1982 in which, while presenting the Stones' European tour, they aired excerpts from a 1976 concert in Paris. Could this be what we're talking about in the reissue of Black and Blue?
My understanding is they cannot get an agreement with the owners for the use of the Paris 76 broadcast material.
The rumored date of the Paris footage included on the reissue is June 5.
Judging from Mick’s outfit, I don’t think any footage from this show was used in the broadcasts.
[youtu.be]
When I look at the BR title list, I think it is the French TV (A2) special “Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs” (directed by Freddy Hausser).
[www.nzentgraf.de]
4th - 7th June: Telerecording of all four Paris shows by director Freddy Hausser
for the ‘Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs’-special (see 761220A).
songs from the regular broadcast:
- Honky Tonk Women (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Hand Of Fate (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Fool To Cry (MJ/KR)-Paris 7.6.76
- Hot Stuff (MJ/KR) -Paris 7.6.76
- Star Star (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- You Gotta Move (Fred McDowell/Rev. Gary Davis) -Paris 6.6.76
- You Can’t Always Get What You Want (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Band introduction -Paris 6.6.76
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Outa Space (Billy Preston/Joe Greene) -Paris 7.6.76
- Jumpin' Jack Flash (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Street Fighting Man (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
20th December: French TV (A2) 'Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs’. Director: Freddy Hausser. Incl.
- backstage footage from Paris 04.06.76
- interview with MJ, K & RW by Freddy Hausser (Paris, ca. 05.06.76).
- Honky Tonk Women (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Hand Of Fate (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Fool To Cry (MJ/KR)-Paris 7.6.76
- Hot Stuff (MJ/KR) -Paris 7.6.76
- Star Star (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- You Gotta Move (Fred McDowell/Rev. Gary Davis) -Paris 6.6.76
- You Can’t Always Get What You Want (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Band introduction -Paris 6.6.76
- Happy (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Outa Space (Billy Preston/Joe Greene) -Paris 7.6.76
- Jumpin' Jack Flash (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
- Street Fighting Man (MJ/KR) -Paris 6.6.76
Note: Repeated on April 7, 1977 as 'Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs’, on
May 10, 1980 as 'Direct Live: Ce Soir Les Rolling Stones'.
Thank you Nico for all your infos!!
track list BR:
Les Rolling Stones Aux Abattoirs, Paris-Juin 1976
Intro
Honky Tonk Women
Hand of Fate
Fool To Cry
Hot Stuff
Star Star
You Gotta Move
You Can’t Always Get What You Want
Band Introductions
Happy
Outa Space
Jumpin’ Jack Flash
Street Fighting Man
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Taylor1
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Date: September 26, 2025 16:02
Does this deluxe video contain the show where Mick has the striped red and white shirt on during the performance of Street Fighting Man? That video has been on bootlegs for years.
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
IrelandCalling4
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Date: September 26, 2025 16:57
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TIRED
According to jpc.de the Blu-Ray Disc is only Audio.
Such confusion over this release; whether Paris on Bluray is visual or just audio! It is the visual I think
Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by:
Mabru
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Date: September 26, 2025 17:02
Paris is video restored in 4K and Earls Court only audio on the blu ray if i am correct
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