In regard to the Blu-ray, I get the impression a pro shot video from Earls Court and some stuff from Paris 1976. My question, is the Paris footage the same as the broadcast version? Were there multiple Paris show professionally shot? My understanding is that the Stones did not own the broadcast version of Paris but possibly owned the rights to another pro shot of the Paris Stand.

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i don't think there are any other circulating versions

[dbboots.com] lists for 'Shame Shame Shame' 3 different runtimes of the 1975 recording.

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i don't think there are any other circulating versions

[dbboots.com] lists for 'Shame Shame Shame' 3 different runtimes of the 1975 recording.

i stand corrected

thanks

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Here’s a question: instead of overdubs and new Jagger vocals, why not polish-up the original track and release ‘as is’ After all, these recordings - ‘new vocals’ and all - are only going to appeal to us so-called diehard’s, anyway. Personally, I’d rather they’d have left Shame Shame Shame as an unfinished instrumental.

Actually it is a bit of falsification of history. I think they do it for an audience that doesn't actually exist: a (young) audience that is waiting for new outtakes from the '70s but doesn't know much about the Stones. Luckily they didn't do a collaboration with Yungblud!

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The song is fun. Nothing more nothing less. It's only rock n roll, guys.
If it had been worthy of a release they would have released it officialy on an album. But it's just an outtake finished with some new vocals. Enjoy it for what it is!

+ a new guitar track and the piano was deleted for some reason.

PS: I like it, too

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Are the running times already known from the songs on the outtakes disc?

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Are the running times already known from the songs on the outtakes disc?

All runtimes: [www.Qobuz.com] .

Anyone know if the Earl's Court discs are from a single show or a compilation from all six?.....
If it's a single show, anyone know which one?

I have read Sympathy was only played at two of the six shows - I know they played it on the first night but not sure about any others.



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Anyone know if the Earl's Court discs are from a single show or a compilation from all six?.....
If it's single show, anyone know which one?

I have read Sympathy was only played at two of the six shows - I know they played it on the first night but not sure about any others.

Sympathy was played on the first 3 shows
So 3/6 shows had Sympathy in the set.

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Anyone know if the Earl's Court discs are from a single show or a compilation from all six?.....
If it's single show, anyone know which one?

I have read Sympathy was only played at two of the six shows - I know they played it on the first night but not sure about any others.

Sympathy was played on the first 3 shows
So 3/6 shows had Sympathy in the set.

Ahh, right ok, thanks ...

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Are the running times already known from the songs on the outtakes disc?

All runtimes: [www.Qobuz.com] .

Good catch ! Well at least we're getting some long jams ;-) Hopefully they didn't feel it necessary to have Ronnie overdub some useless guitar parts like on SSS...

So it's "I Love Ladies" for Qobuzz and not "I Love a Lady" as per the official tracklist, odd ! At 5:35 it's between the two edits of the version we have that are 4:30 and 6:11.

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So it's "I Love Ladies" for Qobuz and not "I Love a Lady" as per the official tracklist, odd !

Interesting: it's 'I Love Ladies' on [Bravado.de] , [Music.Apple.com] and [TheRollingStonesShop.co.uk] - but it's 'I Love A Lady' on [www.jpc.de] and [Bravado.de] .

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So it's "I Love Ladies" for Qobuz and not "I Love a Lady" as per the official tracklist, odd !

Interesting: it's 'I Love Ladies' on [Bravado.de] , [Music.Apple.com] and [TheRollingStonesShop.co.uk] - but it's 'I Love A Lady' on [www.jpc.de] and [Bravado.de] .

In yesterday's social media teaser for the Black And Blue Deluxe, the advertised title is I Love Ladies, so I guess this is the correct one.

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I'm just happy they are putting out concert material, film and audio.

As Neil Young once said, "live music is better. Bumper stickers will be issued"!!!!!!!!!

Spot on!

I have no issue with the addition of Ronnie's leads or Mick's vocals and I can't feel bad about Prestons's piano, because the audio is so bad on the original leaked version, that I cannot form an opinion on Preson's part.

Would anyone really be very interested in a "lyric video"? It is now being teased everywhere that it will be online in an hour..

I think the Blu-ray is the original album with a 5.1 Dolby mix like GHS with Paris video. I think if Earls Court was filmed it probably would have been bootlegged long ago. I think Earls court will be cds

Nice to see also a 1976 show released. If I am correct from all the tours in the seventies we have at least one official release.

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Nice to see also a 1976 show released. If I am correct from all the tours in the seventies we have at least one official release.

Not yet. Europe 1970 is missing.

CD Japan just sent me an email about their SHM offering.

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Nice to see also a 1976 show released. If I am correct from all the tours in the seventies we have at least one official release.

Not yet. Europe 1970 is missing.

True I forgot that tour

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Nice to see also a 1976 show released. If I am correct from all the tours in the seventies we have at least one official release.

Not yet. Europe 1970 is missing.

True I forgot that tour

I'll add the pasific "down under" -winter tour of 1973 - very different from '72 and Europe 1973.

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Nice to see also a 1976 show released. If I am correct from all the tours in the seventies we have at least one official release.

Not yet. Europe 1970 is missing.

True I forgot that tour

I'll add the pasific "down under" -winter tour of 1973 - very different from '72 and Europe 1973.

I absolutely agree. I have not heard very much from the European 1970 Tour, but Perth ‘73 was one of the first live bootlegs I was exposed too. It’s utterly terrific, and definitely could only benefit from a few production tweaks.

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The song is fun. Nothing more nothing less. It's only rock n roll, guys.
If it had been worthy of a release they would have released it officialy on an album. But it's just an outtake finished with some new vocals. Enjoy it for what it is!

+ a new guitar track and the piano was deleted for some reason.

PS: I like it, too

Do we know at this point if there's a plan to release the track as an official single (CD or otherwise)?

Ride like the wind at double speed.....

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The song is fun. Nothing more nothing less. It's only rock n roll, guys.
If it had been worthy of a release they would have released it officialy on an album. But it's just an outtake finished with some new vocals. Enjoy it for what it is!

+ a new guitar track and the piano was deleted for some reason.

PS: I like it, too

Right, it's a fun little dance track. Everyone so serious. If you prefer the outtake, go listen to that.

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Nice to see also a 1976 show released. If I am correct from all the tours in the seventies we have at least one official release.

Not yet. Europe 1970 is missing.

True I forgot that tour

I'll add the pasific "down under" -winter tour of 1973 - very different from '72 and Europe 1973.

I absolutely agree. I have not heard very much from the European 1970 Tour, but Perth ‘73 was one of the first live bootlegs I was exposed too. It’s utterly terrific, and definitely could only benefit from a few production tweaks.

Perth was one of the earliest I had also. I would love to see a quality release from Australia '73.

The question is, do the Stones have a quality recording of the show? The audio from "Ladies and Gentlemen" left something to be desired. I read (unconfirmed) somewhere that the audio didn't come from the original tapes, but from a mint print of the film that was found in Stew's garage, so they didn't have a lot to work with.

That said, with Peter Jackson's technology on the Beatles releases, maybe it can be reworked. Of course, Jackson's technology is proprietary and he wouldn't come cheap, so that would mean spending money on the release. I doubt it would happen since the market for another release is literally dying fast.

Duck

I remember coming across a program on Antenne2 in 1982 in which, while presenting the Stones' European tour, they aired excerpts from a 1976 concert in Paris. Could this be what we're talking about in the reissue of Black and Blue?

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Would anyone really be very interested in a "lyric video"? It is now being teased everywhere that it will be online in an hour..

I watched it. It's the third time listening to the song and it's borderline migraine inducing.

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Jagger's voice, guitar sound, solo and female vocals all sound 2025... What is actually the outtake part in this?

The Rotterdam studio recording, from the sessions that include Worried About You, Slave, Crazy Mama, Cherry Oh Baby, Act Together and Fool To Cry, was instrumental and it is one of several outtakes. The vocals are new (my guess is they were recorded in April or May).

Ronnie wasn't there for the Rotterdam sessions so that means he overdubbed possibly in December of 1975 or 2025 during the April and May Metropolis sessions for the new album.

Perhaps the liner notes will provide some information just like the GHS and TY reissues didn't.

Actually, Black and Blue was recorded at Musicland Studio's, Munich in December 1974 and March/April 1975. Only Worried About You and Slave were based in the the Rotterdam 1975 sessions.

Mathijs

Yes, a handful of songs were started in Rotterdam. Whether they recorded additional takes in Munich, it's likely given that the March-April Munich sessions refer to Crazy Mama 2 BLACK AND BLUE version at nzentgraf, version 3 referred to as the SIT70s version, which is just an edit for the Fool To Cry B-side, of which 3 is not a brand new recording.

Are those brand new takes or just additional work with the numeral referring to its working order of post-production, which generally seems to be the deal? Look at 1979's Hang Fire - versions 456... Neighbours 1 even though there is more than one take however in 1980 there's 2 and 3 (and Slave 2345 and Tops 2, Waiting On A Friend 234) but those are only overdubs since the band did not record in 1980 or 1981.

Considering what happened for TY it's likely some of the Rotterdam tracks had additional work done to them in Munich.



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