They didn't remix TY, why would they remix B&B which everyone agrees already is the best SOUNDING Stones album?

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I would see of the rumor is true a box like this:

Disc 1: orginal album (remixed)
Disc 2: outtakes/demos
Disc 3 & 4: Paris or Knebworth show
Blu Ray 1: Atmos mixes
Blu Ray 2: full concert and tour documentary

You forgot 3 or 4 types of color vinyl .

Haha, Doxa, maybe you're right that we are all so negative... But, once bitten and all that. We know from a decade of re-releases that they mostly underdeliver and fall far short of what could have been.

But who knows, perhaps this time they'll surprise us with 10 hours of outtakes, early versions, other songs, studio chatter etc...

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I would see of the rumor is true a box like this:

Disc 1: orginal album (remixed)
Disc 2: outtakes/demos
Disc 3 & 4: Paris or Knebworth show
Blu Ray 1: Atmos mixes
Blu Ray 2: full concert and tour documentary

You forgot 3 or 4 types of color vinyl .

Spot on!!

If only.

There is absolutely not one single reason to remix this album. It sounds sharp, focused and dynamic. The best recorded Stones album by a long mile. Even a remaster would possibly don’t do it justice. Use the CBS or Virgin digital master. And the analogue tape for the vinyl.

Perhaps the remix of GHS was, oh how classic, because of The Beatles albums being remixed.

That's over with. Not sure what more could be remixed due to the limitations of the masters although they could get the Peter Jackson treatment.

GHS had a decade long reputation for sounding "bad" or muddy... Hence the remix.

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GHS had a decade long reputation for sounding "bad" or muddy... Hence the remix.

Exactly. "Black & Blue" has long had the reputation as the best STONES recording sonically. Remixing it wouldn't make it sound better, only different.

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GHS had a decade long reputation for sounding "bad" or muddy... Hence the remix.

Exactly. "Black & Blue" has long had the reputation as the best STONES recording sonically. Remixing it wouldn't make it sound better, only different.

EMOTIONAL RESCUE sounds incredible. BLACK AND BLUE is fantastic, no doubt, but ER has a little more kick to it. Maybe it's the mastering or EQing but it's got a bottom to it that's just seeping out of the pocket, a little bit of rumble that kicks, unlike SOME GIRLS, which sounds like it was recorded in a glass room - probably the worst sounding Stones album, sonically.

Obviously the difference is sonically because if "produced" is used it's not the same.

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..EMOTIONAL RESCUE sounds incredible. BLACK AND BLUE is fantastic, no doubt, but ER has a little more kick to it. Maybe it's the mastering or EQing but it's got a bottom to it that's just seeping out of the pocket, a little bit of rumble that kicks, unlike SOME GIRLS, which sounds like it was recorded in a glass room - probably the worst sounding Stones album, sonically....

This is true of most SG releases... but not the original vinyl release, which is not an overtly "Hi Fi" sound ; it's less immediate in presentation, but has a more natural instrumental timbre and some depth.

So far only TATTOO YOU had a basic anniversary deluxe reissue (not quite two months after) because nothing else has been. If they had wanted to for EMOTIONAL RESCUE they missed it.

They do whatever BLACK AND BLUE deluxe that leaves just a few albums to mess with, although the VOODOO reissue was a joke. Surprised they're even bothering, actually.

Knowing what they have chosen to ignore (SOME GIRLS being the biggest sham, GHS the second) in regards to leftovers there's probably no reason to have any positive expectations for B&B 2025.

All the greatness that is Black & Blue needs to come to fit in today's standard earbuds. Streaming and compressing. As such it will need its dynamics clipped by someone that knows how. Such is the remaster. English Rose though, am I right?

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All the greatness that is Black & Blue needs to come to fit in today's standard earbuds. Streaming and compressing. As such it will need its dynamics clipped by someone that knows how. Such is the remaster. English Rose though, am I right?

Yes, it will be ruined like the rest of the albums have been because of earbuds. How people haven't gone deaf because of the brickwalling is perhaps a future study.

I don't get the reissues for the album, just the extras. In fact, why they bother to include the album in any of the super deluxe releases is pointless.

I read that there is a rumor of the Paris 76 show being released. I would love to get a release kind of like GHS with Brussels.

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I don't get the reissues for the album, just the extras. In fact, why they bother to include the album in any of the super deluxe releases is pointless.

There is a a funny social construction called money that makes funny things happen.

But then again it would be funny if someone buys, say, The Super Deluxe Edition of BLACK AND BLUE and finds out that there is not that album at all...

- Doxa

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I don't get the reissues for the album, just the extras. In fact, why they bother to include the album in any of the super deluxe releases is pointless.

There is a a funny social construction called money that makes funny things happen.

But then again it would be funny if someone buys, say, The Super Deluxe Edition of BLACK AND BLUE and finds out that there is not that album at all...

- Doxa

You think it's UMe's way of getting me to buy their shitty remastering of whatever album since I didn't get any of them in their standard edition? It's like Ume knows.

I've only listened to the 2011 SOME GIRLS. Only three songs in, I think, and that was enough. Never played it again. SF and TY didn't bother. Only got the EXILE rarities stand alone album.

I will not be cajoled into listening/playing any remastered Stones album by Ume.

Would love to get more Fool to Cry versions (impossible).

Is there a projected release date yet?

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Is there a projected release date yet?

April 2026? 50th anniversary?

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They didn't remix TY, why would they remix B&B which everyone agrees already is the best SOUNDING Stones album?

Is it getting a remix? Haven't seen anything about a remix, just a deluxe reissue with leftover material since the album was reissued in 2009 already, again, for the third time.

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There must be so much super interesting material in the cans for Black & Blue.

I do not buy remasters. Bollocks. A good song is a good song. Satisfaction sounded good on AM radio because it is great songwriting. The same is true of Maybelline from Berry and You Really Got Me from The Kinks. These all sound good enough on LPs and CDs that are already out there. How many versions of Tattoo You do I need? Didn't I dig the very first one?

Gimme something I have not heard and do not mess with it by putting new vocals on it. If you do, gimme the original untampered version as well.

We will get a remaster that may sound different but they are the same songs that we have been listening to for decades. We will get a disc of outtakes, alt versions and that's that.

It appears you don't understand what remastering is about.

Some remasters sound better than others. Not all of the Virgin reissues were remastered by Bob Ludwig but SF-BAB, ER-U sound way better than the CBS versions, to my ears, and he didn't mess with them very much. I think it was in Goldmine that Mick said they compared Bob's remasters to original vinyl with the horns being ground zero for whether the remaster sounds right. EXILE was the headache but listen to the Virgin reissues of SF, EOMS and TY - they sound excellent.

Slave was a longer version on the Virgin. I think someone said Too Tough or Wanna Hold You is a little longer.

Anything that Bob Ludwig did, like the entire ABKCO catalog, sounds incredible. The ABKCO reissues sound incredible. Just like The Beatles entire catalog getting remastered sounds incredible - it was done right.

Anything Stephen Marcussen does is absolute trash but apparently someone told him to trash the Stones 1971 onward catalog.

When it comes to vinyl, my main field of experience, I find the ABKCO DSD remasters to be uniformly very good.

For all the post Decca stuff ...with so many cooks seasoning the broth down many years, it's a complete lottery.

Some OK, some not so good and some bloody appalling !

As for B&B ...yes It's great sounding record but, for my tastes, it's just a little too clear and open for the Stones.

I like to work a bit harder to hear what's happening. That's partly why I love Exile so much.



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Any news about this possible release? :-)

(I know, it's not official)

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Any news about this possible release?

Next year due to the 50th anniversary?

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Any news about this possible release?

Next year due to the 50th anniversary?

Yeah a lot of people are hopping for it. Me included

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There must be so much super interesting material in the cans for Black & Blue.

I do not buy remasters. Bollocks. A good song is a good song. Satisfaction sounded good on AM radio because it is great songwriting. The same is true of Maybelline from Berry and You Really Got Me from The Kinks. These all sound good enough on LPs and CDs that are already out there. How many versions of Tattoo You do I need? Didn't I dig the very first one?

Gimme something I have not heard and do not mess with it by putting new vocals on it. If you do, gimme the original untampered version as well.

We will get a remaster that may sound different but they are the same songs that we have been listening to for decades. We will get a disc of outtakes, alt versions and that's that.

It appears you don't understand what remastering is about.

Some remasters sound better than others. Not all of the Virgin reissues were remastered by Bob Ludwig but SF-BAB, ER-U sound way better than the CBS versions, to my ears, and he didn't mess with them very much. I think it was in Goldmine that Mick said they compared Bob's remasters to original vinyl with the horns being ground zero for whether the remaster sounds right. EXILE was the headache but listen to the Virgin reissues of SF, EOMS and TY - they sound excellent.

Slave was a longer version on the Virgin. I think someone said Too Tough or Wanna Hold You is a little longer.

Anything that Bob Ludwig did, like the entire ABKCO catalog, sounds incredible. The ABKCO reissues sound incredible. Just like The Beatles entire catalog getting remastered sounds incredible - it was done right.

Anything Stephen Marcussen does is absolute trash but apparently someone told him to trash the Stones 1971 onward catalog.

One of the best version of Black and Blue on CD is the first CBS (Columbia) CD. Virgin CDs from the 90's tend to have a harsher sound. But what actually Bob Ludwig did really well is to bring uniformity to the sound of these 70's albums. And they pair well with the ABKCO remasters from the same RL.

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There must be so much super interesting material in the cans for Black & Blue.

I do not buy remasters. Bollocks. A good song is a good song. Satisfaction sounded good on AM radio because it is great songwriting. The same is true of Maybelline from Berry and You Really Got Me from The Kinks. These all sound good enough on LPs and CDs that are already out there. How many versions of Tattoo You do I need? Didn't I dig the very first one?

Gimme something I have not heard and do not mess with it by putting new vocals on it. If you do, gimme the original untampered version as well.

We will get a remaster that may sound different but they are the same songs that we have been listening to for decades. We will get a disc of outtakes, alt versions and that's that.

It appears you don't understand what remastering is about.

Some remasters sound better than others. Not all of the Virgin reissues were remastered by Bob Ludwig but SF-BAB, ER-U sound way better than the CBS versions, to my ears, and he didn't mess with them very much. I think it was in Goldmine that Mick said they compared Bob's remasters to original vinyl with the horns being ground zero for whether the remaster sounds right. EXILE was the headache but listen to the Virgin reissues of SF, EOMS and TY - they sound excellent.

Slave was a longer version on the Virgin. I think someone said Too Tough or Wanna Hold You is a little longer.

Anything that Bob Ludwig did, like the entire ABKCO catalog, sounds incredible. The ABKCO reissues sound incredible. Just like The Beatles entire catalog getting remastered sounds incredible - it was done right.

Anything Stephen Marcussen does is absolute trash but apparently someone told him to trash the Stones 1971 onward catalog.

One of the best version of Black and Blue on CD is the first CBS (Columbia) CD. Virgin CDs from the 90's tend to have a harsher sound. But what actually Bob Ludwig did really well is to bring uniformity to the sound of these 70's albums. And they pair well with the ABKCO remasters from the same RL.

In terms of loudness and compression - yes, Bob Ludwig put everything on the same page. In terms of equalization - not really (taking into account that Virgin CDs of ER, UC, DW and SW are just louder clones of CBS discs).

Anyway, that old CBS disc of Black And Blue is very close to flat transfer that was made in 2011. That one was issued in Japan as SHM-SACD and later as SHM-CD. The only song on CBS CD that (apparently) was from a different tape is Melody. The rest are gently mastered tracks.

Virgin version is not only louder but also more aggressively equalized (that what you mentioned as harsher sound).

Sure, I'll buy the new remix or remaster. But I am very skeptical that it will be better compared to CBS CD.

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I don't get the reissues for the album, just the extras. In fact, why they bother to include the album in any of the super deluxe releases is pointless.

There is a a funny social construction called money that makes funny things happen.

But then again it would be funny if someone buys, say, The Super Deluxe Edition of BLACK AND BLUE and finds out that there is not that album at all...

- Doxa

You think it's UMe's way of getting me to buy their shitty remastering of whatever album since I didn't get any of them in their standard edition? It's like Ume knows.

I've only listened to the 2011 SOME GIRLS. Only three songs in, I think, and that was enough. Never played it again. SF and TY didn't bother. Only got the EXILE rarities stand alone album.

I will not be cajoled into listening/playing any remastered Stones album by Ume.

You appear to be a tough tough tough not f***ing around guy, but, really, I think you should show a bit more sympathy for the record industry. After all, they bring you the music that makes your heart grow fonder and enrichens your soul from musicians you without these corporations most likely would never had heard from. Seriously.

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I don't get the reissues for the album, just the extras. In fact, why they bother to include the album in any of the super deluxe releases is pointless.

There is a a funny social construction called money that makes funny things happen.

But then again it would be funny if someone buys, say, The Super Deluxe Edition of BLACK AND BLUE and finds out that there is not that album at all...

- Doxa

You think it's UMe's way of getting me to buy their shitty remastering of whatever album since I didn't get any of them in their standard edition? It's like Ume knows.

I've only listened to the 2011 SOME GIRLS. Only three songs in, I think, and that was enough. Never played it again. SF and TY didn't bother. Only got the EXILE rarities stand alone album.

I will not be cajoled into listening/playing any remastered Stones album by Ume.

You appear to be a tough tough tough not f***ing around guy, but, really, I think you should show a bit more sympathy for the record industry. After all, they bring you the music that makes your heart grow fonder and enrichens your soul from musicians you without these corporations most likely would never had heard from. Seriously.

I think the Some Girls deluxe stand alone cuts, as an album is better that most of what they have released since Undercover, excepting perhaps HD.

That is a fabulous country album and should have had it's own release and not been directly linked to Some Girls as some sort of castoffs, "songs that didn't quite make the cut" - type release. I think it's better than Blue & Lonesome.