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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: mick64 ()
Date: November 25, 2024 18:54

I would like it to include Fool to Cry, which is almost 6 minutes long, a wonderful solo by Keith, I think.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: rbk ()
Date: November 25, 2024 18:58

The best sounding Stones album ever. They didn't have time to muck it up with overdubs and second guessing. I'd love to hear a third LP side of four songs from the same sessions in the same sonic quality.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: November 26, 2024 09:31

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Taylor1
B&B is not better than GHS or IORR but it has a be sound .Bot Cherry Oh Baby, Melody , Hey Negrita are lesser songs.When it came out it was largely panned by the critics.Some Girls was seen as a great improvement

Hey Negrita is awesome. Melody is good for what it is, fits nicely.

Cherry Oh Baby is a little uninspired.

Cherry oh Baby has a minimalist feel to it probably pleasing to Keith. Their root reaggae musical approach on that song has always worked for me. I know some people don't like that interpretation but I believe the Stones took their inspiration and delivered that reaggae away from a more commcercially acceptable version like EC " I shot the Sheriff". And I salut them for taking that chance at showing they could balance their knowledge, their musical skills and their musical restraints.

Yeah I don't knock them for trying, I just don't think it worked out. And as for Clapton's rendition of I Shot The Sheriff, I absolutely loathe that. It's just sooo... white bread.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: frenki09 ()
Date: November 26, 2024 10:04

We all know well that this is going to be a missed opportunity. Basically all bands, artists put out amazing box sets that please the die hard fans who are still around and are willing to pay for these overpriced sets.

Paul McCartney
Black Sabbath
Jethro Tull (The best series of rereleases in my book.)
Bob Dylan (Of course)
The Who
Bruce Springsteen
The Beach Boys
Johnny Cash
Eric Clapton
Fleetwood Mac
and the list goes on...

There must be so much super interesting material in the cans for Black & Blue.

I do not buy remasters. Bollocks. A good song is a good song. Satisfaction sounded good on AM radio because it is great songwriting. The same is true of Maybelline from Berry and You Really Got Me from The Kinks. These all sound good enough on LPs and CDs that are already out there. How many versions of Tattoo You do I need? Didn't I dig the very first one?

Gimme something I have not heard and do not mess with it by putting new vocals on it. If you do, gimme the original untampered version as well.

We will get a remaster that may sound different but they are the same songs that we have been listening to for decades. We will get a disc of outtakes, alt versions and that's that.

Gimme 20 discs of Black & Blue boogie. That's what I want. With Jeff, with Rory, with Ron, with God knows who...

What is wrong with our beloved band for putting out a Sticky Fingers Super Deluxe box set and include a DVD of two songs? Who needs those silly cards, postcards, stickers and things?

The stuff that we -- the fans -- have been treated with is a disgrace compared to what other artists, labels have put out in recent years. And I just cannot understand why we get so little...

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 26, 2024 10:28

The Leeds-show, the Roundhouse tracks, the outtakes/work in progress.

IMO, SF Deluxe was a great release. They could have released a full show from the Roundhouse, to make it excellent. The Marquee show was pretty lackluster, so it didn't bother me that we only got two tracks on a DVD sampler.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Barkerboy2 ()
Date: November 26, 2024 11:17

This is fantastic news if it comes to fruition. Hopefully it will be more along the lines of TY or SG rather than the naff SF we got!
I think if Black and Blue is treated to a deluxe, then that bodes well for IORR etc.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: DeeGee ()
Date: November 26, 2024 12:27

Why do a remix + 76 live box in 2025? It's "only" its 49th anniversary....
Wouldnt 2026 make more sense?
50th anniversary?

Just thinking.....

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: November 26, 2024 12:48

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frenki09
We all know well that this is going to be a missed opportunity. Basically all bands, artists put out amazing box sets that please the die hard fans who are still around and are willing to pay for these overpriced sets.

Paul McCartney
Black Sabbath
Jethro Tull (The best series of rereleases in my book.)
Bob Dylan (Of course)
The Who
Bruce Springsteen
The Beach Boys
Johnny Cash
Eric Clapton
Fleetwood Mac
and the list goes on...

There must be so much super interesting material in the cans for Black & Blue.

I do not buy remasters. Bollocks. A good song is a good song. Satisfaction sounded good on AM radio because it is great songwriting. The same is true of Maybelline from Berry and You Really Got Me from The Kinks. These all sound good enough on LPs and CDs that are already out there. How many versions of Tattoo You do I need? Didn't I dig the very first one?

Gimme something I have not heard and do not mess with it by putting new vocals on it. If you do, gimme the original untampered version as well.

We will get a remaster that may sound different but they are the same songs that we have been listening to for decades. We will get a disc of outtakes, alt versions and that's that.

Gimme 20 discs of Black & Blue boogie. That's what I want. With Jeff, with Rory, with Ron, with God knows who...

What is wrong with our beloved band for putting out a Sticky Fingers Super Deluxe box set and include a DVD of two songs? Who needs those silly cards, postcards, stickers and things?

The stuff that we -- the fans -- have been treated with is a disgrace compared to what other artists, labels have put out in recent years. And I just cannot understand why we get so little...

Good post, frenki09.

Regarding box-sets: I will occasionally view some of the 'unboxing videos' on YouTube.; and with many of these 'super-deluxe' sets, I'm baffled by the ridiculousness of the lavishness and content: marbles with a Pink Floyd set; figurines with a George Harrison one, etc. It just seems too much, personally. I know the record companies are catering for a certain, middle-aged, affluent demographic, but it seems somewhat babyish to me. At least the Stones' sets have been a little more understated, comparatively. A book is fine; but toys and trinkets??

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: SomeGuy ()
Date: November 26, 2024 13:35

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Big Al
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frenki09
We all know well that this is going to be a missed opportunity. Basically all bands, artists put out amazing box sets that please the die hard fans who are still around and are willing to pay for these overpriced sets.

Paul McCartney
Black Sabbath
Jethro Tull (The best series of rereleases in my book.)
Bob Dylan (Of course)
The Who
Bruce Springsteen
The Beach Boys
Johnny Cash
Eric Clapton
Fleetwood Mac
and the list goes on...

There must be so much super interesting material in the cans for Black & Blue.

I do not buy remasters. Bollocks. A good song is a good song. Satisfaction sounded good on AM radio because it is great songwriting. The same is true of Maybelline from Berry and You Really Got Me from The Kinks. These all sound good enough on LPs and CDs that are already out there. How many versions of Tattoo You do I need? Didn't I dig the very first one?

Gimme something I have not heard and do not mess with it by putting new vocals on it. If you do, gimme the original untampered version as well.

We will get a remaster that may sound different but they are the same songs that we have been listening to for decades. We will get a disc of outtakes, alt versions and that's that.

Gimme 20 discs of Black & Blue boogie. That's what I want. With Jeff, with Rory, with Ron, with God knows who...

What is wrong with our beloved band for putting out a Sticky Fingers Super Deluxe box set and include a DVD of two songs? Who needs those silly cards, postcards, stickers and things?

The stuff that we -- the fans -- have been treated with is a disgrace compared to what other artists, labels have put out in recent years. And I just cannot understand why we get so little...

Good post, frenki09.

Regarding box-sets: I will occasionally view some of the 'unboxing videos' on YouTube.; and with many of these 'super-deluxe' sets, I'm baffled by the ridiculousness of the lavishness and content: marbles with a Pink Floyd set; figurines with a George Harrison one, etc. It just seems too much, personally. I know the record companies are catering for a certain, middle-aged, affluent demographic, but it seems somewhat babyish to me. At least the Stones' sets have been a little more understated, comparatively. A book is fine; but toys and trinkets??

The most ridiculous box set there is must surely be the John Lennon one, I forget which album it was, but it's a huge plastic cube with all kinds of trinkets and stuff inside, postcards, pictures, flags, scribbled notes, and oh, some twenty versions of the same record, both on bluray, vinyl and cd, offering thirty demos of the same songs, and whathaveyounot. All this for one and a half thousand pounds or there about.

On the other hand, the good thing about the Stones' reissues is exactly what is offered: lots of 'new' material, and hardly any demo versions that you dont need anyway. I know of no other band that offers so much 'value for your money' regarding reissues than the Stones, to be honest. Ergo, I think the Stones' reissues are actually the best reissues around.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: November 26, 2024 13:40

Yes It's nonsense .

If they concentrated a little more on making the content sound good !

They also need to recognise that the "certain middle aged demographic" aren't all affluent and can't stretch to the high cost of these products ...which is largely due to fancy packaging

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: November 26, 2024 13:54

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Big Al


Good post, frenki09.

Regarding box-sets: I will occasionally view some of the 'unboxing videos' on YouTube.; and with many of these 'super-deluxe' sets, I'm baffled by the ridiculousness of the lavishness and content: marbles with a Pink Floyd set; figurines with a George Harrison one, etc. It just seems too much, personally. I know the record companies are catering for a certain, middle-aged, affluent demographic, but it seems somewhat babyish to me. At least the Stones' sets have been a little more understated, comparatively. A book is fine; but toys and trinkets??

The most ridiculous box set there is must surely be the John Lennon one, I forget which album it was, but it's a huge plastic cube with all kinds of trinkets and stuff inside, postcards, pictures, flags, scribbled notes, and oh, some twenty versions of the same record, both on bluray, vinyl and cd, offering thirty demos of the same songs, and whathaveyounot. All this for one and a half thousand pounds or there about.

On the other hand, the good thing about the Stones' reissues is exactly what is offered: lots of 'new' material, and hardly any demo versions that you dont need anyway. I know of no other band that offers so much 'value for your money' regarding reissues than the Stones, to be honest. Ergo, I think the Stones' reissues are actually the best reissues around.[/quote]

Yeah, that's what I feel. They're nicely packaged and contain appropriate musical content. The sets are not outlandish and ridiculous. The Stones' sets are far more about the music. I need to watch an unboxing video of this John Lennon set you mention; I think 'Mind Games' is the album, by the way.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: November 26, 2024 14:10

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Big Al

The most ridiculous box set there is must surely be the John Lennon one, I forget which album it was

It was the 2024 'Mind Games' $1,695 Mega Deluxe Box - [iorr.org] . George Harrison's 2021 'All Things Must Pass' Uber Deluxe Box was $999 - [iorr.org] . Paul McCartney's 2022 7" Singles Box was $612 - [iorr.org] .


[SuperDeluxeEdition.com] , Box contents picture



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Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: November 26, 2024 14:55

Great Harvey Mandel and Wayne Perkins job on electric guitar and acoustic guitar.

One of them should have stayed in the band... smiling smiley

***
I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: SomeGuy ()
Date: November 26, 2024 16:31

Mind Games it was, indeed. You can watch the unboxing on SDE (Super Deluxe Edition). Just search for those words and you will find the site, I'm sure.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Silver Dagger ()
Date: November 26, 2024 16:37

I can see this being a 4 disc set with the original album, atmos mix, outtakes and a DVD/Blu-Ray of either Paris 76 or Knebworth 76. Really looking forward to this one.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: IrelandCalling4 ()
Date: November 26, 2024 17:01

Any archive project is great news, and I'm sure we'll get some outtakes. The album itself I've always loved. The real treat here for me would be Paris '76 - finally - if we get a BluRay of that. A full Paris show, plus a second disc of the TV special broadcast at the time with a mix of tracks from a few nights.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: November 26, 2024 18:37

If there is one major plus of my subscription to a music streaming service is that I stopped spending fortunes for these super deluxe boxes.

Some are still worth buying, but most of them are overpriced packages of cheap rubbish.



C

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 26, 2024 20:25

I think the super deluxes are worth it if you're interested in more than just listening. Afterall, you get to actually own it, read it, not just rent the audio.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: November 26, 2024 20:28

I know this won't happen but it would be way out of orbit if they included the full 11 minutes or whatever of Slave. the 1975 version. Of course, that means no saxophone but whatever.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: blivet ()
Date: November 26, 2024 22:38

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GasLightStreet
Which presents an issue that they oddly felt threatened in regard to royalties.

For ONE SONG on an album.

Possibly a throwback to the Allen Klein days of getting screwed over

That has got to be a huge part of it. They were swindled out of their life's work. I can't imagine the mental and emotional scars that must leave on an artist. Even if it wasn't conscious, they must have made a decision that they were going to hold on to every songwriting credit they could with an iron fist.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: peoplewitheyes ()
Date: November 27, 2024 00:27

Very well put, Frenki. Compared to all those bands you have listed (I have particular knowledge of The Who and the Beach Boys), the Stones reissues have been most underwhelming

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: November 27, 2024 01:11

Hmm..is there any official or some other more detailed info there about this reissue? Like what it will contain, etc? I already read here reviews how the whole thing is missed opportunity and sucks big time...grinning smiley

- Doxa

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: November 27, 2024 10:20

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Doxa

Hmm..is there any official or some other more detailed info there about this reissue?

Apart from the rumor itself, there's nothing official or detailed.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: November 27, 2024 11:31

Yeah but we've all learnt so much ....
And rollmops is a switched on groove cat ....



ROCKMAN

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Date: November 27, 2024 11:38

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powerage78
Great Harvey Mandel and Wayne Perkins job on electric guitar and acoustic guitar.

One of them should have stayed in the band... smiling smiley

Also great playing by Ronnie on Hey Negrita and Crazy Mama.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: November 27, 2024 12:00

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Irix
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Doxa

Hmm..is there any official or some other more detailed info there about this reissue?

Apart from the rumor itself, there's nothing official or detailed.
Thatis why the whole thing is missed opportunity and sucks big time winking smiley.

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: November 27, 2024 12:18

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rbk
The best sounding Stones album ever. They didn't have time to muck it up with overdubs and second guessing. I'd love to hear a third LP side of four songs from the same sessions in the same sonic quality.

The sound quality of BaB mostly is due to the fact that they mastered 35 minutes to a 45 minutes vinyl release, so there is really little compression. The same reason why IORR sounds so bad -they just made it too long and had to compress it.

Anyways, I'd love a full set of outtakes, 4 discs of Rotterdam Rehearsals, and the full Knebworth gig on CD and Blue ray DVD.

That's really it.

Mathijs

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: November 27, 2024 12:39

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Mathijs
Quote
rbk
The best sounding Stones album ever. They didn't have time to muck it up with overdubs and second guessing. I'd love to hear a third LP side of four songs from the same sessions in the same sonic quality.

The sound quality of BaB mostly is due to the fact that they mastered 35 minutes to a 45 minutes vinyl release, so there is really little compression. The same reason why IORR sounds so bad -they just made it too long and had to compress it.

Anyways, I'd love a full set of outtakes, 4 discs of Rotterdam Rehearsals, and the full Knebworth gig on CD and Blue ray DVD.

That's really it. Why with today’s technology, can’t they de compress IORR? And why is it when you isolate the instruments on a track separator, especially the lead guitars sound goes up and down? But I would really like your opinion of decompressing.

Mathijs

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: November 27, 2024 13:24

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Taylor1
Quote
Mathijs
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rbk
The best sounding Stones album ever. They didn't have time to muck it up with overdubs and second guessing. I'd love to hear a third LP side of four songs from the same sessions in the same sonic quality.

The sound quality of BaB mostly is due to the fact that they mastered 35 minutes to a 45 minutes vinyl release, so there is really little compression. The same reason why IORR sounds so bad -they just made it too long and had to compress it.

Anyways, I'd love a full set of outtakes, 4 discs of Rotterdam Rehearsals, and the full Knebworth gig on CD and Blue ray DVD.

That's really it. Why with today’s technology, can’t they de compress IORR? And why is it when you isolate the instruments on a track separator, especially the lead guitars sound goes up and down? But I would really like your opinion of decompressing.

Mathijs

They without a doubt still have the master tapes, so they can just do a remaster and remix, like they did with Goat's Head.

Mathijs

Re: Black and Blue 2025
Posted by: Mabru ()
Date: November 27, 2024 14:23

I would see of the rumor is true a box like this:

Disc 1: orginal album (remixed)
Disc 2: outtakes/demos
Disc 3 & 4: Paris or Knebworth show
Blu Ray 1: Atmos mixes
Blu Ray 2: full concert and tour documentary

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