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Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: RnT ()
Date: January 13, 2025 18:33

Rock acts mean less and less to young people. They like individual tracks but not as many listen to complete albums as was usual in 'the old days'. So they just come for the few big names left, the legends, not even knowing many of the songs. In a way I don't mind.I saw the Sheepdogs in November and they were amazing. Full house meant about 700 people, Tix we're less than 30 euro's. The sound was perfect, I could buy a beer at the bar every 30 minutes and walk my way back to my spot in the venue. To be honest, I prefer to enjoy my rock 'n roll that way instead of trying to recognize a song in a 60k hall with terrible sound, having paid a fortune.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 13, 2025 18:47

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RnT
Rock acts mean less and less to young people. They like individual tracks but not as many listen to complete albums as was usual in 'the old days'. So they just come for the few big names left, the legends, not even knowing many of the songs. In a way I don't mind.I saw the Sheepdogs in November and they were amazing. Full house meant about 700 people, Tix we're less than 30 euro's. The sound was perfect, I could buy a beer at the bar every 30 minutes and walk my way back to my spot in the venue. To be honest, I prefer to enjoy my rock 'n roll that way instead of trying to recognize a song in a 60k hall with terrible sound, having paid a fortune.

Personally the main thing that's sad to me is that it's harder to find people to talk to about the music.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: January 13, 2025 18:59

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Glimmerest
Personally the main thing that's sad to me is that it's harder to find people to talk to about the music.
Sadly, that's true of all media these days. Everything is just so fractured, which is why every media company is hanging on by a thread. No one can crack the code on how to hold people's attention. But I agree, hard to find anyone that's on the same page anymore.

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RnT
Rock acts mean less and less to young people. They like individual tracks but not as many listen to complete albums as was usual in 'the old days'.
There's some truth to that, though its also worth noting its not like playing full albums back in the day would have resulted in excellent results from the crowd. By and large, even when it was more likely people were listening to the whole record, people come to concerts for the hits. The Stones would always get a better reaction playing Sympathy For The Devil than Jigsaw Puzzle. Just saying, its not like the Stones setlist for their entire career hasn't been largely hits driven. Its just what you do. I don't know that deep cuts were any truly more appreciated back then than now.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-01-13 22:40 by RollingFreak.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 13, 2025 20:06

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RollingFreak
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Glimmerest
Personally the main thing that's sad to me is that it's harder to find people to talk to about the music.
Sadly, that's true of all media these days. Everything is just so fractured, which is why every media company is hanging on by a thread. No one can crack the code on how to hold people's attention. But I agree, hard to find anyone that's on the same page anymore.

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RnT
Rock acts mean less and less to young people. They like individual tracks but not as many listen to complete albums as was usual in 'the old days'.
There's some truth to that, though its also worth noting its not like playing full albums back in the day would have resulted in excellent results from the crowd. By and large, even when it was more likely people were listening to the whole record, people come to concerts for the hits. The Stones would always get a better reaction playing Sympathy For The Devil than Jigsaw Puzzle. Just saying, its not like the Stones setlist for their entire career has been largely hits driven. Its just what you do. I don't know that deep cuts were any truly more appreciated back then than now.

I think you make a great point

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '2
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: January 13, 2025 22:20

I still like to believe that many of the ‘younger’ fans attending these forthcoming shows will be thirsty for Definitely Maybe and (What’s The Story) Morning Glory? If anything, it may be the older, nostalgists whom really want the ‘hits’ Of course, the second of those two aforementioned albums is a ‘hits-fest’ in itself!

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '2
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: January 13, 2025 22:45

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Big Al
I still like to believe that many of the ‘younger’ fans attending these forthcoming shows will be thirsty for Definitely Maybe and (What’s The Story) Morning Glory? If anything, it may be the older, nostalgists whom really want the ‘hits’ Of course, the second of those two aforementioned albums is a ‘hits-fest’ in itself!

Oasis is largely known for those two albums, and the outtakes/b sides from them. I think similar to GNR playing Appetite for Destruction, you can kinda play anything from those albums and people will be happy. Between those 2 albums and their B sides, you have about 40 songs to choose from (Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, The Masterplan compilation basically makes up that list). There's the fairly obvious 20 you can play, with about 10 others that could be mixed in, and while they aren't all hits, I think Oasis hasn't been around long enough that all 30 of those songs would get a pretty equal great reaction. Yes, stuff like Wonderwall and Don't Look Back In Anger trump a lot of other stuff, but songs like Acquiesce, Talk Tonight, Round Are Way, Half The World Away, The Masterplan, Whatever (and those are all just b sides/non album singles) are stuff fans want. They're a rare band that I agree they could play anything off those albums and they are almost accepted as "hits". But also, look at it from the other way, they're a band that had a 15 year career and are known for essentially 3 years worth of material.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '2
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: January 22, 2025 16:41

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RollingFreak
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Big Al
I still like to believe that many of the ‘younger’ fans attending these forthcoming shows will be thirsty for Definitely Maybe and (What’s The Story) Morning Glory? If anything, it may be the older, nostalgists whom really want the ‘hits’ Of course, the second of those two aforementioned albums is a ‘hits-fest’ in itself!

Oasis is largely known for those two albums, and the outtakes/b sides from them. I think similar to GNR playing Appetite for Destruction, you can kinda play anything from those albums and people will be happy. Between those 2 albums and their B sides, you have about 40 songs to choose from (Definitely Maybe, Morning Glory, The Masterplan compilation basically makes up that list). There's the fairly obvious 20 you can play, with about 10 others that could be mixed in, and while they aren't all hits, I think Oasis hasn't been around long enough that all 30 of those songs would get a pretty equal great reaction. Yes, stuff like Wonderwall and Don't Look Back In Anger trump a lot of other stuff, but songs like Acquiesce, Talk Tonight, Round Are Way, Half The World Away, The Masterplan, Whatever (and those are all just b sides/non album singles) are stuff fans want. They're a rare band that I agree they could play anything off those albums and they are almost accepted as "hits". But also, look at it from the other way, they're a band that had a 15 year career and are known for essentially 3 years worth of material.

A good post, RollingFreak. It is an undoubtable fact that their credibility, at least, stems from the era surrounding those first two albums. They had plenty of hit-singles - in the U.K - after their creative peak, but it's those first two albums that'll forever matter the most.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: January 22, 2025 16:42

Oh my goodness: Liam is planning to abstain from alcohol!

[metro.co.uk]

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 22, 2025 18:22

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Big Al
Oh my goodness: Liam is planning to abstain from alcohol!

[metro.co.uk]

Maybe he wont father a daughter to ingore for the third time

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: January 27, 2025 06:08

…sorry for not quoting, but in observation of an earlier post, I saw Oasis through the 90s and 00s and never saw Liam sing Wonderwall. It was always big brother screeching ‘mmmaaaaaaybe’ if you could hear him over the crowd.

I guess I would have enjoyed hearing Liam do it once too

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: January 27, 2025 11:09

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Munichhilton
…sorry for not quoting, but in observation of an earlier post, I saw Oasis through the 90s and 00s and never saw Liam sing Wonderwall. It was always big brother screeching ‘mmmaaaaaaybe’ if you could hear him over the crowd.

I guess I would have enjoyed hearing Liam do it once too

Interesting, I saw Liam sing it in '96 and '97 and then 2005, 06, 08 and 09. Only in 2002-03 they skipped to perform it.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: January 27, 2025 11:46

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RnT
Rock acts mean less and less to young people. They like individual tracks but not as many listen to complete albums as was usual in 'the old days'. So they just come for the few big names left, the legends, not even knowing many of the songs. In a way I don't mind.I saw the Sheepdogs in November and they were amazing. Full house meant about 700 people, Tix we're less than 30 euro's. The sound was perfect, I could buy a beer at the bar every 30 minutes and walk my way back to my spot in the venue. To be honest, I prefer to enjoy my rock 'n roll that way instead of trying to recognize a song in a 60k hall with terrible sound, having paid a fortune.

It’s not just albums that don’t hold young people’s interest. TikTok, SnapChat, dating apps etc all give them a 20-30 second “life frame”. If an event is not captured, and then captures their attention in that time, it’s just swiped over/thru.

It’s an instant gratification world now and 40 minutes of LISTENING to an album is generally beyond them. They hear/feel their music, they don’t listen to it. An album is an anachronism to them.

Of course, there ARE exceptions. Taylor Swift, anyone? But that audience, whilst large, is narrow.

Rod

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 28, 2025 01:34

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bitusa2012
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RnT
Rock acts mean less and less to young people. They like individual tracks but not as many listen to complete albums as was usual in 'the old days'. So they just come for the few big names left, the legends, not even knowing many of the songs. In a way I don't mind.I saw the Sheepdogs in November and they were amazing. Full house meant about 700 people, Tix we're less than 30 euro's. The sound was perfect, I could buy a beer at the bar every 30 minutes and walk my way back to my spot in the venue. To be honest, I prefer to enjoy my rock 'n roll that way instead of trying to recognize a song in a 60k hall with terrible sound, having paid a fortune.

It’s not just albums that don’t hold young people’s interest. TikTok, SnapChat, dating apps etc all give them a 20-30 second “life frame”. If an event is not captured, and then captures their attention in that time, it’s just swiped over/thru.

It’s an instant gratification world now and 40 minutes of LISTENING to an album is generally beyond them. They hear/feel their music, they don’t listen to it. An album is an anachronism to them.

Of course, there ARE exceptions. Taylor Swift, anyone? But that audience, whilst large, is narrow.

Imho as someone in my 20s, I think this is a bit of a generalization, while many people are social media addicts, most of them aren't incapable of paying attention if there is a selling point, there are hours long video essays and podcasts that get millions of views regularly too. I don't think an album is an impossible sell if there is momentum behind it.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: January 28, 2025 10:33

I think you're right ...but listening to whole albums just isn't the way that most folks typically consume music in today's world.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Glimmerest ()
Date: January 28, 2025 14:19

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Spud
I think you're right ...but listening to whole albums just isn't the way that most folks typically consume music in today's world.

I can agree with that.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: January 28, 2025 19:39

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Spud
I think you're right ...but listening to whole albums just isn't the way that most folks typically consume music in today's world.

There are a lot of albums that just aren't worth hearing all the way through. Back in the day, the singles were good but the rest of the albums were also solid. Today? I finally heard that Chappelle Roan and I did think the singles were really good. I got the hype. Listened to the album and eh, those songs were the only ones that stayed with me. I got why they got big but people weren't specifically talking about the album. And credit where credit is due, its hard to get 10-12 songs that are all good at the same time. So not a knock. But I think anothe reason "albums" aren't as big a deal, at least in pop, is because its about the single and then you fluff out the rest of the record.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: February 4, 2025 08:18

Welsh legends, The Manic Street Preachers, have been mentioned a few times in this thread. There’s been some wishful thinking over a support-slot.

Of course, we knew, but here they explain why they’ll not be supporting Oasis in Cardiff, later this year.

[www.walesonline.co.uk]

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: February 4, 2025 12:06

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Big Al
Welsh legends, The Manic Street Preachers, have been mentioned a few times in this thread. There’s been some wishful thinking over a support-slot.

Of course, we knew, but here they explain why they’ll not be supporting Oasis in Cardiff, later this year.

[www.walesonline.co.uk]

Nice one Al! smileys with beer I was hoping for them to finally be announced for Cardiff but Cast and Ashcroft will be interesting as I've never seen them live

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: peoplewitheyes ()
Date: February 4, 2025 13:07

Not sure I've ever seen the adjective 'interesting' applied to Cast or Ashcroft grinning smiley

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: SomeTorontoGirl ()
Date: February 9, 2025 12:52

From today’s Guardian. Wasn’t sure if this should be in Oasis or TicketBastards thread, but it may directly affect Oasis ticket buyers. Let’s hope this crap ends …. FAST!

Dreams ‘crushed’ as Ticketmaster cancels fans’ Oasis ’25 tickets

Those affected were accused of being bots and asked to fill out a form for the tour’s promoters to review

Nadeem Badshah and agency
Sat 8 Feb 2025 23.54 GMT

Oasis fans have said their “dreams have been crushed” after Ticketmaster cancelled their tickets to the band’s reunion tour, accusing them of being bots.

Several people have received an email from the company that said bots were identified making their purchase for Oasis Live ’25 tickets, and urged them to fill out a form to rectify the issue.

One fan who planned to see the band live with three friends at Heaton Park in Manchester on 19 July said she felt “crushed” after finding out her tickets were cancelled.

Leighah Conroy, 24, from Cumbria, said her friend, who does not wish to be named, bought the tickets last August but received an email from Ticketmaster on Friday claiming it was “identified that bots were used to make this purchase”.

Conroy said: “To say that we’re bots is totally out of order for Ticketmaster because we tried all day to get the tickets.

“Our heads have been pretty battered these past 24 hours. I felt sick in the stomach. It’s a band you’ll never experience or see again and it’s been on my bucket list for years. It just feels like my dreams have been completely crushed.”

She said each ticket cost about £150 while a hotel stay cost £200 a person and a further £40 for travel.

Marta Bonnet, a fan from Spain, said she spent more than £3,000 for herself, her husband and two teenage children to see Oasis at Wembley and received the same email on Friday.

She initially thought the email was fake, but after realising it was from Ticketmaster she said she does not intend to buy tickets from the company in the future, despite being a loyal customer.

Bonnet, 48, a lawyer from Tenerife, said: “At first we thought this email was fake or a spam email, but no, it was true.

“We usually use Ticketmaster to buy our tickets … But now, how can I trust this page, which is supposed to be the official page? I really can’t believe what has happened.”

Bonnet managed to buy four premium tickets for just more than £1,000 last August and spent about £2,082 (€2,000) on accommodation and flights, but said it is unlikely she will be refunded for her plane tickets.

A spokesperson from Ticketmaster said: “Anyone who has been contacted and believes a refund was made in error has been sent a form to fill in for the tour’s promoters to review.”

The Competition and Markets Authority launched an investigation into Ticketmaster in September regarding the sale of Oasis tickets, including so-called dynamic pricing.

Ticketmaster said at the time it does not set concert prices and its website states this is down to the “event organiser” who “has priced these tickets according to their market value”.

PA Media contributed to this report

[www.theguardian.com]


Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: February 9, 2025 16:11

Meanwhile Ticker Master continues to support brokers like Viagogo. Business as usual.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: February 9, 2025 16:13

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peoplewitheyes
Not sure I've ever seen the adjective 'interesting' applied to Cast or Ashcroft grinning smiley

I grew up in the 90's watching their videos on MTV and bought a couple of singles and I got A Northern Soul but I was never a big fan of either but I'd rather have them supporting than say for instance Arctic Monkeys or some new stuff I can't relate to, hence my "interesting" expectations.

I saw Ocean Colour Scene, 60 ft Dolls and The Bluetones open up for Oasis in the 90's and later on Jet and Kasabian but the best support I've seen for Oasis was The Hiss, a band from Birmingham, Georgia in Hamburg 2003. They were ace. I asked Andy Bell a couple of years ago if he knew what happened to them but apparentely they just disappeared.

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: February 9, 2025 21:39

Stereophonic would’ve been fun. I saw Travis open for Oasis a couple times…maybe bring them along

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: February 9, 2025 22:06

I like the idea that anyone these days CAN'T get into a concert. Its easier today than it ever has been, in my mind. If your tickets got cancelled and you still want to go, you'll be able to with minimal effort.

smileys with beer ochRe: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: February 9, 2025 22:20

It's a shame Oasis were forced to turn down the offer to open for our boys in '95 cause of touring commitments. F*ckin' hell that would've been Bruxelles '73 1st show part 2.
Only one way to go afterwards, Cyanide. Then again, maybe not as one would've missed out on Be Here Now, B2B (hell of an album),40 Licks, WTSMG and about a thousand other beautiful things. And that's just music

Re: smileys with beer ochRe: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: February 10, 2025 19:13

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MadMax
It's a shame Oasis were forced to turn down the offer to open for our boys in '95 cause of touring commitments. F*ckin' hell that would've been Bruxelles '73 1st show part 2.
Only one way to go afterwards, Cyanide. Then again, maybe not as one would've missed out on Be Here Now, B2B (hell of an album),40 Licks, WTSMG and about a thousand other beautiful things. And that's just music

I wasn’t aware that the Oasis were offered a support a lot on the Voodoo Lounge Tour. This must’ve been during the latter-stages of their promotion of Definitely Maybe. Do you know the locations, MadMax. Anyway, it was a missed opportunity; fast-forward to ‘96, and there’d be zero chance of the - now - insanely popular Oasis opening for anyone; at least not in the U.K., that is!

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: February 10, 2025 20:16

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Munichhilton
Stereophonic would’ve been fun. I saw Travis open for Oasis a couple times…maybe bring them along

Both great bands! I think it was during the Dig Out Your Soul European - or was it North America? - dates that the terrific Travis were an opener. On the show I attended, it was Kasabian; a ‘good’ band, but not a favourite, admittedly. I look back, and realise there were so many great British bands in the 90’s and early 2000’s! What happened??

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: February 11, 2025 03:35

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Big Al
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Munichhilton
Stereophonic would’ve been fun. I saw Travis open for Oasis a couple times…maybe bring them along

Both great bands! I think it was during the Dig Out Your Soul European - or was it North America? - dates that the terrific Travis were an opener. On the show I attended, it was Kasabian; a ‘good’ band, but not a favourite, admittedly. I look back, and realise there were so many great British bands in the 90’s and early 2000’s! What happened??

You’re right. I’d never heard of them but bought the CD the next day. Turn and Driftwood were very anthemic performances. They also did a Britney Spears song

Re: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: February 11, 2025 10:23

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Munichhilton
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Big Al
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Munichhilton
Stereophonic would’ve been fun. I saw Travis open for Oasis a couple times…maybe bring them along

Both great bands! I think it was during the Dig Out Your Soul European - or was it North America? - dates that the terrific Travis were an opener. On the show I attended, it was Kasabian; a ‘good’ band, but not a favourite, admittedly. I look back, and realise there were so many great British bands in the 90’s and early 2000’s! What happened??

You’re right. I’d never heard of them but bought the CD the next day. Turn and Driftwood were very anthemic performances. They also did a Britney Spears song

Their second album, The Man Who, was a huge success in the U.K. Why Does It Always Rain On Me? Was a big part of the 1999-2000 soundscape; you’d hear it everywhere. If it were not for Travis, the likes of Coldplay probably wouldn’t have gotten the break they did. Actually, in the U.K., The Man Who is amongst the top-50 biggest-selling albums of all time. It must be nearing 3 million copies.

They’re rendition of ‘Baby One More Time’ was a b-side, if I remember. Hey, she was huge then, too!

Re: smileys with beer ochRe: OT: Oasis Reunion - Live '25
Posted by: MadMax ()
Date: February 11, 2025 11:45

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Big Al
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MadMax
It's a shame Oasis were forced to turn down the offer to open for our boys in '95 cause of touring commitments. F*ckin' hell that would've been Bruxelles '73 1st show part 2.
Only one way to go afterwards, Cyanide. Then again, maybe not as one would've missed out on Be Here Now, B2B (hell of an album),40 Licks, WTSMG and about a thousand other beautiful things. And that's just music

I wasn’t aware that the Oasis were offered a support a lot on the Voodoo Lounge Tour. This must’ve been during the latter-stages of their promotion of Definitely Maybe. Do you know the locations, MadMax. Anyway, it was a missed opportunity; fast-forward to ‘96, and there’d be zero chance of the - now - insanely popular Oasis opening for anyone; at least not in the U.K., that is!

Yes Al, Noel stated in late '95 in NME that they were offered the support slot at Wembley Stadium but couldn't do them due to touring commitments. He was quoted as saying that "he personally would have loved to do it" but it wasn't possible.

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