The mystique surrounding the Rolling Stones' impromptu 1972 Dallas sessions during their legendary tour is a tale that never fails to captivate me. Amidst whispers of the band's need for additional rehearsal and a slight deviation from their usual course, they sought solace in a humble Dallas recording studio just before the filming of the iconic "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Rolling Stones."

These sessions, steeped in legend, possess a certain inexplicable magic. Instead of fine-tuning their tour repertoire, the Stones dove headfirst into timeless blues classics, weaving through freeform jam sessions and fleeting glimpses of their own iconic hits, destined never to grace the stage. Surprisingly absent from these sessions was "Dead Flowers," a song that would later steal the show in Dallas with its tight execution and intimate exchanges between Mick and Keith (as Mick reminds Keith of the last-chorus lyrics tweaks).

The lingering question remains - did the Stones forego rehearsing "Dead Flowers" altogether, opting instead to deliver it raw and unfiltered on stage? The thought seems almost inconceivable. Nevertheless, these sessions stand as a mesmerizing snapshot of a band at the pinnacle of their career, a testament to their unrivaled talent and enduring legacy.

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I think it was Retired Dog who said there are more tapes from the session out there, but the collector doesn’t have plans to release them.

It’s entirely possible they either ran through it or didn’t, as it’s a simple song and one they had been playing for a couple years with virtually the same lineup.

I would like to hear the 1972 shows be enhanced like Peter Jackson is doing with live Beatles.Dallas, Houston , Charlotte, Philadelphia and New York.The rehearsals don’t interest me much

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I think it was Retired Dog who said there are more tapes from the session out there, but the collector doesn’t have plans to release them.

It’s entirely possible they either ran through it or didn’t, as it’s a simple song and one they had been playing for a couple years with virtually the same lineup.

why though why die with it?

i understand if it was tapes of marketable recordings like quality studio outtakes or multitrack recordings of shows that the band maybe interested in releasing someday and there worried about incurring the bands mighty wrath by leaking them or exposing there source and getting them in trouble

but a loose studio rehearsal of random songs from fifty years ago?

i doubt they have any interest in releasing that and likely wouldn't care if a few hardcore fans get a bit more joy out of there scraps

if its just that they don't wanna share well fair enough it's there tapes but if they love the stones you would think they'd want those out there for fans to enjoy while the fans interested in it are still alive

and if it's the prospect of the bootleggers profiting off of them that one i get but i still think its better that stuff get out there then them taking it to there graves

at least donate it back to the stones (who knows if they still have the original tapes at all) so it can be preserved for future generations

also would love to see if robert frank shot any more footage of the rehearsals like the clip seen in that apple doc a few years back

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The mystique surrounding the Rolling Stones' impromptu 1972 Dallas sessions during their legendary tour is a tale that never fails to captivate me. Amidst whispers of the band's need for additional rehearsal and a slight deviation from their usual course, they sought solace in a humble Dallas recording studio just before the filming of the iconic "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Rolling Stones."

These sessions, steeped in legend, possess a certain inexplicable magic. Instead of fine-tuning their tour repertoire, the Stones dove headfirst into timeless blues classics, weaving through freeform jam sessions and fleeting glimpses of their own iconic hits, destined never to grace the stage. Surprisingly absent from these sessions was "Dead Flowers," a song that would later steal the show in Dallas with its tight execution and intimate exchanges between Mick and Keith (as Mick reminds Keith of the last-chorus lyrics tweaks).

The lingering question remains - did the Stones forego rehearsing "Dead Flowers" altogether, opting instead to deliver it raw and unfiltered on stage? The thought seems almost inconceivable. Nevertheless, these sessions stand as a mesmerizing snapshot of a band at the pinnacle of their career, a testament to their unrivaled talent and enduring legacy.

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Ian Stewart stated the rehearsals were planned to rehearse rarities especially for the filming of L&G, with Dead Flowers, Don't Lie To Me and Sweet Black Angel making it on the shows. If I recall correctly there is a 10 second snippet of the intro to Dead Flowers on the available tape, but without a doubt they rehearsed all songs they did live multiple times. I have not heard of any more material being available in tape trading circles.

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What about the rehearsals for the 1973 European tour.The sound is terrible.The taper sounds like he was outside the building

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The taper sounds like he was outside the building

That's exactly where he was.

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The mystique surrounding the Rolling Stones' impromptu 1972 Dallas sessions during their legendary tour is a tale that never fails to captivate me. Amidst whispers of the band's need for additional rehearsal and a slight deviation from their usual course, they sought solace in a humble Dallas recording studio just before the filming of the iconic "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Rolling Stones."

These sessions, steeped in legend, possess a certain inexplicable magic. Instead of fine-tuning their tour repertoire, the Stones dove headfirst into timeless blues classics, weaving through freeform jam sessions and fleeting glimpses of their own iconic hits, destined never to grace the stage. Surprisingly absent from these sessions was "Dead Flowers," a song that would later steal the show in Dallas with its tight execution and intimate exchanges between Mick and Keith (as Mick reminds Keith of the last-chorus lyrics tweaks).

The lingering question remains - did the Stones forego rehearsing "Dead Flowers" altogether, opting instead to deliver it raw and unfiltered on stage? The thought seems almost inconceivable. Nevertheless, these sessions stand as a mesmerizing snapshot of a band at the pinnacle of their career, a testament to their unrivaled talent and enduring legacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6bJw8j1SBE

They almost sound like the Dead here! Sign of the times?

Does the Stones business organization have an organizer of the vaults? It would seem that any recordings of the Stones have value. I would think the business side would be interested in creating a ultra complete record of the Stones, even buying private collection recordings. The vast Stones catalog will have value well into the future.

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Does the Stones business organization have an organizer of the vaults? It would seem that any recordings of the Stones have value. I would think the business side would be interested in creating a ultra complete record of the Stones, even buying private collection recordings. The vast Stones catalog will have value well into the future.

at least these Dallas rehearsals recordings have no economic value anymore – since they haven't been officially released before the end of 2022 they the have become public domain (according to EU law)

I would just think that someone in an official capacity for the group would be wise to create a complete and lasting timeline with as many complete shows and recordings, interviews, etc, as possible. I believe there is monetary and historic value in that. Think Neil Young archives, Tom Petty Radio etc...

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Does the Stones business organization have an organizer of the vaults? It would seem that any recordings of the Stones have value. I would think the business side would be interested in creating a ultra complete record of the Stones, even buying private collection recordings. The vast Stones catalog will have value well into the future.

at least these Dallas rehearsals recordings have no economic value anymore – since they haven't been officially released before the end of 2022 they the have become public domain (according to EU law)

Public domain but unavailable to anyone -so they can still release it and sell it.

Mathijs

What's hard to tell sometimes is who is playing what. As I recall the various members were jumping around to different instruments, so at points we very well may hear Mick Taylor on drums or keys, Keith Richards on bass, and Jagger on guitar.

For instance, "Key To The Highway" sounds like Richards and Jagger on lead and rhythm guitars, respectively.

There is a beautiful snippet of "Sweet Black Angel" that I would love to hear in its entirety.

It actually would be nice to see if we can come up with all the licks that are played but unnamed. Like Taylor working out the Tumbling Dice rhythm guitar and ending with double stops that are very, very much like his double stops in Winter -just before the first Ventilator Blues. Keith rehearsing the Bye Bye Jonnie intro, the intro to Sweet Black Angel, intro chords of Dead Flowers.

Mathijs

In 2007 a tape of the 1972 burbank rehearsals came up for auction. Form this tape 3 short sound fragments are known. Unfortunatley I don’t know who bought the tape or what happend to it. I posted earlier here on IORR about this tape:

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It actually would be nice to see if we can come up with all the licks that are played but unnamed. Like Taylor working out the Tumbling Dice rhythm guitar and ending with double stops that are very, very much like his double stops in Winter -just before the first Ventilator Blues. Keith rehearsing the Bye Bye Jonnie intro, the intro to Sweet Black Angel, intro chords of Dead Flowers.

Mathijs

At 8:40 from the YouTube link in the OP there is a riff I just can’t place. Are you familiar?

If we're just talking wish fulfillment, I would imagine the full Montreux rehearsals would be the most enjoyable out of the three (Montreux, Burbank, Dallas) for the song selection - in STP Robert Greenfield wrote, "from six at night until six in the morning in a small movie house, the Stones roughed out a list of about thirty-five songs from which they would choose the basic set for the tour".

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If we're just talking wish fulfillment, I would imagine the full Montreux rehearsals would be the most enjoyable out of the three (Montreux, Burbank, Dallas) for the song selection - in STP Robert Greenfield wrote, "from six at night until six in the morning in a small movie house, the Stones roughed out a list of about thirty-five songs from which they would choose the basic set for the tour".

Could very well be. Although they may have played along with the record like Loving Cup on many of them.

I would like to hear Rotterdam rehearsals 1973 in soundboard quality.Especially,100Years Ago, Silver Train,and Midnight Rambler.

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The mystique surrounding the Rolling Stones' impromptu 1972 Dallas sessions during their legendary tour is a tale that never fails to captivate me. Amidst whispers of the band's need for additional rehearsal and a slight deviation from their usual course, they sought solace in a humble Dallas recording studio just before the filming of the iconic "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Rolling Stones."

These sessions, steeped in legend, possess a certain inexplicable magic. Instead of fine-tuning their tour repertoire, the Stones dove headfirst into timeless blues classics, weaving through freeform jam sessions and fleeting glimpses of their own iconic hits, destined never to grace the stage. Surprisingly absent from these sessions was "Dead Flowers," a song that would later steal the show in Dallas with its tight execution and intimate exchanges between Mick and Keith (as Mick reminds Keith of the last-chorus lyrics tweaks).

The lingering question remains - did the Stones forego rehearsing "Dead Flowers" altogether, opting instead to deliver it raw and unfiltered on stage? The thought seems almost inconceivable. Nevertheless, these sessions stand as a mesmerizing snapshot of a band at the pinnacle of their career, a testament to their unrivaled talent and enduring legacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6bJw8j1SBE

They almost sound like the Dead here! Sign of the times?

That's beyond comical!

Funniest thing I've read this year here!

Interesting for a little bit but overall quite unlistenable, a mish mash of gibberish.

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Interesting for a little bit but overall quite unlistenable, a mish mash of gibberish.

Ever since I owned the Scorpio boot around 1993 I've been thinking the label's boss (the Byrdman) got ripped off by the owner of the tape : he sold him a 2,5hrs DAT of some of the most boring bits of the original 72 tape.

Listen to the boot : every time the music starts to get interesting, the tape switches to guitar "jamming" that is noodling.

Okay we get "Let It Loose" and a bit of "Ventilator Blues" but where's the rest?
SBAngel? Don't Lie To me?

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It actually would be nice to see if we can come up with all the licks that are played but unnamed. Like Taylor working out the Tumbling Dice rhythm guitar and ending with double stops that are very, very much like his double stops in Winter -just before the first Ventilator Blues. Keith rehearsing the Bye Bye Jonnie intro, the intro to Sweet Black Angel, intro chords of Dead Flowers.

Mathijs

At 8:40 from the YouTube link in the OP there is a riff I just can’t place. Are you familiar?

Anybody? It's almost like a hybrid of Satisfaction and Monkey Man. Driving me crazy!

Sounds like they ran out of fuel.

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The mystique surrounding the Rolling Stones' impromptu 1972 Dallas sessions during their legendary tour is a tale that never fails to captivate me. Amidst whispers of the band's need for additional rehearsal and a slight deviation from their usual course, they sought solace in a humble Dallas recording studio just before the filming of the iconic "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Rolling Stones."

These sessions, steeped in legend, possess a certain inexplicable magic. Instead of fine-tuning their tour repertoire, the Stones dove headfirst into timeless blues classics, weaving through freeform jam sessions and fleeting glimpses of their own iconic hits, destined never to grace the stage. Surprisingly absent from these sessions was "Dead Flowers," a song that would later steal the show in Dallas with its tight execution and intimate exchanges between Mick and Keith (as Mick reminds Keith of the last-chorus lyrics tweaks).

The lingering question remains - did the Stones forego rehearsing "Dead Flowers" altogether, opting instead to deliver it raw and unfiltered on stage? The thought seems almost inconceivable. Nevertheless, these sessions stand as a mesmerizing snapshot of a band at the pinnacle of their career, a testament to their unrivaled talent and enduring legacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6bJw8j1SBE

They almost sound like the Dead here! Sign of the times?

That's beyond comical!

Funniest thing I've read this year here!

I didn't know about these 1972 rehearsals before. To me, in that link they sound almost like a jam band to me. Very relaxed, quite some noodling ...

But apart from that, the Stones aren't too bad in their (rare) jam band moments either, think e.g. of CYHMK or Slave. Some occasional jamming suits them quite well, me thinks.

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Interesting for a little bit but overall quite unlistenable, a mish mash of gibberish.

Ever since I owned the Scorpio boot around 1993 I've been thinking the label's boss (the Byrdman) got ripped off by the owner of the tape : he sold him a 2,5hrs DAT of some of the most boring bits of the original 72 tape.

Listen to the boot : every time the music starts to get interesting, the tape switches to guitar "jamming" that is noodling.

Okay we get "Let It Loose" and a bit of "Ventilator Blues" but where's the rest?
SBAngel? Don't Lie To me?

You nailed it: it's basically unlistenable. For me there is zero reason to ever listen to any of that ever again, it's awful. It sounds like they're just fooking off and, based on how it sounds, they are, and considering how they were performing in 1972 (and 1973) what is there to rehearse? What, Mick Taylor noodling more? Or playing JJF and SFM even faster!!!?? but... imagine someone having similar from 1994 or 1998... and claiming OH MY GOD THE STONES etc.

I'd rather hear a soundcheck.

Maybe the Byrdman bought the 1st reel of the rehearsals that is the one that included warming-up, shooting the musical sh!t.

The best thing musically speaking came later on.

(just guessing).

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considering how they were performing in 1972 (and 1973) what is there to rehearse? What, Mick Taylor noodling more? Or playing JJF and SFM even faster!!!??

What was there to rehearse was that they thought they could do better, they thought the last couple shows were a bit lackluster and they missed cues. Then, they wanted to add rarities to the setlist to be filmed in Houston and Fort Worth which resulted in Dead Flowers, Don't Lie to Me and Sweet Black Angel.

The unfortunate thing is that they rehearsed for 8 hours, and we get two hours of noodling.

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considering how they were performing in 1972 (and 1973) what is there to rehearse? What, Mick Taylor noodling more? Or playing JJF and SFM even faster!!!??

What was there to rehearse was that they thought they could do better, they thought the last couple shows were a bit lackluster and they missed cues. Then, they wanted to add rarities to the setlist to be filmed in Houston and Fort Worth which resulted in Dead Flowers, Don't Lie to Me and Sweet Black Angel.

The unfortunate thing is that they rehearsed for 8 hours, and we get two hours of noodling.

Mathijs

I personally LOVE this set and find it fascinating. The dirty old blues numbers, some great lead playing by Richards, some riffs I which sound familiar, but I can't place.





For the love of all that is holy, WHAT IS THE RIFF AT 15:50?


Dallas Rehearsal Video

Taylor playing a black SG is interesting.

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For the love of all that is holy, WHAT IS THE RIFF AT 15:50?

Like this. Could also be an open g string involved. Insignificant though. Hope this helps.