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Since 1989 when Matt Clifford joined. When he wasn't present fron VL to ABB Michael Davis did IT often on trombone.
What do you mean by not utilised?
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The horn section has consisted of only two sax players since 2012.
And the line-up has been the same since Australia 2014 (Tim Ries and Karl Denson).
Correct. I didn't state it as such but my point was that the horn section including personnel and the number of them has changed over their touring years and in recent years (like you point out since 2012) has again diminished in number.
Oh that long already. Saw them last almost 20 years ago, and really don’t remember.
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Can someone whose memory is better than mine fact-check this one for me. From what I remember, the Uptown Horns were not utilized at every stop on the Steel Wheels tour, correct, or is Sighunt losing his fast ball? Lol
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-05 02:04 by Sighunt.
Go back and watch Bitch from Atlantic city '89. If they played on Bitch, it was offstage.
It was done with keyboards. Those aren't real horns. No live horns on that song
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-05 03:20 by More Hot Rocks.
That was my original point. It's the most well-known full horn part on a Rolling Stones song.
They did use the horn section on Bitch from 1997-present.
I think the way Bobby Keys and Jim Price played on All down the line in 1972 was the
best horn playing I've ever heard and will ever hear in my life.
Check Ladies and Gentlemen to hear what I mean.
Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away
............Bobby Keys/Jim Price were the best horns ever in the Stones. They brought the soul, the rhythm, and the funk............end of discussion![/quote]
They felt it, and were an integral part of the groove.
Sometimes it was a just a stab or a honk...but it added a delicious extra jump.
edited to add...
and in those days they were part of the creative process...not just guys who clocked in to add a few fills and horn solo.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-08-09 09:49 by Spud.
in those days they were part of the creative process...not just guys who clocked in to add a few fills and horn solo.
YEP !!!! ..... sure were
ROCKMAN
So they had a Bobby sample they played from a keyboard during Bitch? That's ridiculous. Those are real horns. The only time the Stones ever used a keyboard live for fakery was 2000 Light Years and the cowbell for Honky Tonk.
Just watch the video Geeez. Why are you arguing? If you you don't like it thats not ny fault. Talk to Mick or Keith.
LOL I'm not arguing!!! Just because you can't see them performing doesn't mean it's keyboards!
for the same reason they had choir just for one song in 2014…
This image, perhaps more than any other, just seems to encapsulate my vision of the Exile sessions. You can just feel the moisture seeping from the walls.
TeaAtThree
There are no horns on SAR, only mellotron.
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Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
MeanDispo
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Date: July 4, 2024 07:32
On Steel Wheels tour, the Stones had a full 5 piece horn section - but the live horns were not utilized on Bitch (probably the Stones most famous song with horns)
however, the horns were eventually used on Bitch since then.
She's a Rainbow was never played live until 1997 and played sporadically ever since. But never played using the horn section (including the current tour)...
Too much trouble trying to coordinate the horn section with the band on these songs?
however, the horns were eventually used on Bitch since then.
She's a Rainbow was never played live until 1997 and played sporadically ever since. But never played using the horn section (including the current tour)...
Too much trouble trying to coordinate the horn section with the band on these songs?
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: July 4, 2024 09:40
Just "artistic decisions" taken about the arrangements at the respective times I would think ..
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Koen
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Date: July 4, 2024 12:41
Since when are they starting YCAGWYW with a horn, is that new?
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
hockenheim95
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Date: July 4, 2024 12:52
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Koen
Since when are they starting YCAGWYW with a horn, is that new?
Since 1989 when Matt Clifford joined. When he wasn't present fron VL to ABB Michael Davis did IT often on trombone.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: July 4, 2024 13:31
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MeanDispo
On Steel Wheels tour, the Stones had a full 5 piece horn section - but the live horns were not utilized on Bitch (probably the Stones most famous song with horns)
however, the horns were eventually used on Bitch since then.
She's a Rainbow was never played live until 1997 and played sporadically ever since. But never played using the horn section (including the current tour)...
Too much trouble trying to coordinate the horn section with the band on these songs?
What do you mean by not utilised?
[youtu.be]
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Sighunt
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Date: July 4, 2024 15:43
Interesting thread. During the Rolling Stones touring years showcasing albums that featured brass predominately like Sticky Fingers & Exile, they primarily had two horn players (Bobby Keys & Jim Price). I always kinda thought after hearing many of the soundboard boots from 72 and from the early Pacific/Australian tour from 73 that the horn section was pretty thin, and on songs, specifically like Bitch, Rocks Off, Happy, All Down the Line, would have been better suited to at least 3-4 consistent horn players to knock off those brass heavy tunes. It wasnt until later in their career on the Steel Wheels tour that they got a more solid brass section, and since that time to the present, the number and personnel of horn section personnel has varied (I am also including after the death of Keys). I think the current horn line-up for the Hackney Diamonds tour is back to being pretty thin.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-04 15:49 by Sighunt.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-04 15:49 by Sighunt.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
erikjjf
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Date: July 4, 2024 15:50
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Sighunt
I think the current horn line-up for the Hackney Diamonds tour is back to being pretty thin.
The horn section has consisted of only two sax players since 2012.
And the line-up has been the same since Australia 2014 (Tim Ries and Karl Denson).
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
MeanDispo
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Date: July 4, 2024 15:53
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Sighunt
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Date: July 4, 2024 16:03
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Sighunt
I think the current horn line-up for the Hackney Diamonds tour is back to being pretty thin.
The horn section has consisted of only two sax players since 2012.
And the line-up has been the same since Australia 2014 (Tim Ries and Karl Denson).
Correct. I didn't state it as such but my point was that the horn section including personnel and the number of them has changed over their touring years and in recent years (like you point out since 2012) has again diminished in number.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Sighunt
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Date: July 4, 2024 16:06
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Sighunt
I think the current horn line-up for the Hackney Diamonds tour is back to being pretty thin.
The horn section has consisted of only two sax players since 2012.
And the line-up has been the same since Australia 2014 (Tim Ries and Karl Denson).
Correct. I didn't state it as such but my point was that the horn section including personnel and the number of them has changed over their touring years and in recent years (like you point out since 2012) has again diminished in number making their brass heavy tunes sound pretty thin.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Koen
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Date: July 4, 2024 18:16
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Koen
Since when are they starting YCAGWYW with a horn, is that new?
Since 1989 when Matt Clifford joined. When he wasn't present fron VL to ABB Michael Davis did IT often on trombone.
Oh that long already. Saw them last almost 20 years ago, and really don’t remember.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: July 5, 2024 01:15
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MeanDispo
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Sighunt
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Date: July 5, 2024 01:59
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GasLightStreetQuote
MeanDispo
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Can someone whose memory is better than mine fact-check this one for me. From what I remember, the Uptown Horns were not utilized at every stop on the Steel Wheels tour, correct, or is Sighunt losing his fast ball? Lol
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-05 02:04 by Sighunt.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
MeanDispo
()
Date: July 5, 2024 03:05
Go back and watch Bitch from Atlantic city '89. If they played on Bitch, it was offstage.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
MeanDispo
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Date: July 5, 2024 03:13
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GasLightStreetQuote
MeanDispo
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Go back and watch Bitch from Atlantic city '89. If they played on Bitch, it was offstage.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
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Date: July 5, 2024 03:17
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MeanDispoQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
MeanDispo
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Go back and watch Bitch from Atlantic city '89. If they played on Bitch, it was offstage.
It was done with keyboards. Those aren't real horns. No live horns on that song
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-05 03:20 by More Hot Rocks.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
MeanDispo
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Date: July 5, 2024 04:22
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More Hot RocksQuote
MeanDispoQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
MeanDispo
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Go back and watch Bitch from Atlantic city '89. If they played on Bitch, it was offstage.
It was done with keyboards. Those aren't real horns. No live horns on that song
That was my original point. It's the most well-known full horn part on a Rolling Stones song.
They did use the horn section on Bitch from 1997-present.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: July 5, 2024 09:52
We've never really heard live the way those wonderful raspy horn stabs punctuate the groove of Bitch on the record.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
marcovandereijk
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Date: July 5, 2024 12:10
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Sighunt
... I always kinda thought after hearing many of the soundboard boots from 72 and from the early Pacific/Australian tour from 73 that the horn section was pretty thin, and on songs, specifically like Bitch, Rocks Off, Happy, All Down the Line, would have been better suited to at least 3-4 consistent horn players to knock off those brass heavy tunes...
.
I think the way Bobby Keys and Jim Price played on All down the line in 1972 was the
best horn playing I've ever heard and will ever hear in my life.
Check Ladies and Gentlemen to hear what I mean.
Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
MeanDispo
()
Date: July 7, 2024 04:09
So...back to the original topic...
Why would the band pay big money to have a horn section, only to not use it on She's A Rainbow?
The song seems empty to me without the horns. I wonder if the horn part (probably a mellotron) was a point of contention between Mick and Keith (who also produced the track) and thats why it was never performed until 1997.
Thoughts?
Why would the band pay big money to have a horn section, only to not use it on She's A Rainbow?
The song seems empty to me without the horns. I wonder if the horn part (probably a mellotron) was a point of contention between Mick and Keith (who also produced the track) and thats why it was never performed until 1997.
Thoughts?
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
stonesurvive
()
Date: August 9, 2024 08:51
I think the way Bobby Keys and Jim Price played on All down the line in 1972 was the
best horn playing I've ever heard and will ever hear in my life.
Check Ladies and Gentlemen to hear what I mean.[/quote]
............Bobby Keys/Jim Price were the best horns ever in the Stones. They brought the soul, the rhythm, and the funk............end of discussion!
best horn playing I've ever heard and will ever hear in my life.
Check Ladies and Gentlemen to hear what I mean.[/quote]
............Bobby Keys/Jim Price were the best horns ever in the Stones. They brought the soul, the rhythm, and the funk............end of discussion!
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: August 9, 2024 09:43
Quote
stonesurvive
I think the way Bobby Keys and Jim Price played on All down the line in 1972 was the
best horn playing I've ever heard and will ever hear in my life.
Check Ladies and Gentlemen to hear what I mean.
............Bobby Keys/Jim Price were the best horns ever in the Stones. They brought the soul, the rhythm, and the funk............end of discussion![/quote]
They felt it, and were an integral part of the groove.
Sometimes it was a just a stab or a honk...but it added a delicious extra jump.
edited to add...
and in those days they were part of the creative process...not just guys who clocked in to add a few fills and horn solo.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-08-09 09:49 by Spud.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: August 9, 2024 09:57
in those days they were part of the creative process...not just guys who clocked in to add a few fills and horn solo.
YEP !!!! ..... sure were
ROCKMAN
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 9, 2024 18:13
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MeanDispoQuote
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MeanDispo
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Go back and watch Bitch from Atlantic city '89. If they played on Bitch, it was offstage.
It was done with keyboards. Those aren't real horns. No live horns on that song
So they had a Bobby sample they played from a keyboard during Bitch? That's ridiculous. Those are real horns. The only time the Stones ever used a keyboard live for fakery was 2000 Light Years and the cowbell for Honky Tonk.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
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Date: August 9, 2024 18:42
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GasLightStreetQuote
More Hot RocksQuote
MeanDispoQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
MeanDispo
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Go back and watch Bitch from Atlantic city '89. If they played on Bitch, it was offstage.
It was done with keyboards. Those aren't real horns. No live horns on that song
So they had a Bobby sample they played from a keyboard during Bitch? That's ridiculous. Those are real horns. The only time the Stones ever used a keyboard live for fakery was 2000 Light Years and the cowbell for Honky Tonk.
Just watch the video Geeez. Why are you arguing? If you you don't like it thats not ny fault. Talk to Mick or Keith.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
ds1984
()
Date: August 9, 2024 19:10
Although very very surprising but I think that the Stones are using keys on Bitch in 1989.
The horn section enters on Harlem Shuffle.
The horn section enters on Harlem Shuffle.
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 9, 2024 22:11
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MeanDispo
They didnt use the horn section on Bitch in 1989. The horn parts were played on keyboards. And the horn part on She's A Rainbow isnt played at all,
The Uptown Horns played on Bitch for 1989-90.
Go back and watch Bitch from Atlantic city '89. If they played on Bitch, it was offstage.
It was done with keyboards. Those aren't real horns. No live horns on that song
So they had a Bobby sample they played from a keyboard during Bitch? That's ridiculous. Those are real horns. The only time the Stones ever used a keyboard live for fakery was 2000 Light Years and the cowbell for Honky Tonk.
Just watch the video Geeez. Why are you arguing? If you you don't like it thats not ny fault. Talk to Mick or Keith.
LOL I'm not arguing!!! Just because you can't see them performing doesn't mean it's keyboards!
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
slewan
()
Date: August 9, 2024 23:03
Quote
MeanDispo
So...back to the original topic...
Why would the band pay big money to have a horn section, only to not use it on She's A Rainbow?
for the same reason they had choir just for one song in 2014…
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
TeaAtThree
()
Date: August 10, 2024 04:25
Quote
Rockman
in those days they were part of the creative process...not just guys who clocked in to add a few fills and horn solo.
YEP !!!! ..... sure were
This image, perhaps more than any other, just seems to encapsulate my vision of the Exile sessions. You can just feel the moisture seeping from the walls.
TeaAtThree
Re: Horns on Bitch and She's A Rainbow
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: August 10, 2024 16:46
Quote
MeanDispo
On Steel Wheels tour, the Stones had a full 5 piece horn section - but the live horns were not utilized on Bitch (probably the Stones most famous song with horns)
however, the horns were eventually used on Bitch since then.
She's a Rainbow was never played live until 1997 and played sporadically ever since. But never played using the horn section (including the current tour)...
Too much trouble trying to coordinate the horn section with the band on these songs?
There are no horns on SAR, only mellotron.
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