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Richard from Canada
Online I can't seem to get an accurate chronological list of every legal Stones album out there in the North American market. Even with AI there seems to be at least one missing album. Does anyone here have that complete list? I am trying to organize my collection properly. Thanks.
Richard
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Undercover1
Missing Steel Wheels.....
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treaclefingers
OK, well Stone Age ain't in there yet either, and Jump Back originally came out in Europe in the 90s.
And what about the French picture album from 1970?
And all the box sets starting with the 3 CD singles boxes from 2004-6(?), 45x45 singles box set, the 1963-69 and 1971-2005, the MONO box form 2016, and then the coloured MONO box from 2023. The 1971-2016 box. And there were several different versions of GRRR, and HONK.
If we're going for completism there are a lot of gaps at the moment.
....and the MFSL series box from the 80s, as well as the individual MFSL Sticky and Some Girls.
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The Rolling Stones
The Rolling Stones No 2
Light The Fuse
Live In Paris 67 (digital iTunes release)
Around And Around
+ countless European compilations
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treaclefingers
OK, well Stone Age ain't in there yet either, and Jump Back originally came out in Europe in the 90s.
And what about the French picture album from 1970?
And all the box sets starting with the 3 CD singles boxes from 2004-6(?), 45x45 singles box set, the 1963-69 and 1971-2005, the MONO box form 2016, and then the coloured MONO box from 2023. The 1971-2016 box. And there were several different versions of GRRR, and HONK.
If we're going for completism there are a lot of gaps at the moment.
....and the MFSL series box from the 80s, as well as the individual MFSL Sticky and Some Girls.
He asked for US albums, not European or Japanese ones
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The Rolling Stones
The Rolling Stones No 2
Light The Fuse
Live In Paris 67 (digital iTunes release)
Around And Around
+ countless European compilations
Richard from Canada asked for "chronological list of every legal Stones album out there in the North American market"
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Doxa
And if I spotted rightly, the gorilla album is missing, as is ON AIR as well. And ROCK AND ROLL CIRCUS.
- Doxa
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Undercover1
Missing Steel Wheels.....
LOL I was reading that and my eyes went numb... and there's no STEEL WHEELS! I didn't even see that.
Also missing:
Brussels
Havana Moon
Tattoo You deluxe
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Missing Steel Wheels.....
LOL I was reading that and my eyes went numb... and there's no STEEL WHEELS! I didn't even see that.
Also missing:
Brussels
Havana Moon
Tattoo You deluxe
Thanks to both: it was a hastily made list. Now corrected
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So you'd have to create it, basically, by plugging in wherever chronologically, on one list:
For example... 1968-1981
Beggars
Through The Past Darkly
Let It Bleed
GYYYO
Sticky Fingers
Hot Rocks
Exile
More Hot Rocks
GHS
IORR
Metamorphosis
Made In The Shade
Rolled Gold
Black And Blue
Love You Live
Some Girls
Time Waits For No One
Sucking In The Seventies
Tattoo You
If you want to include every Decca era compilation... it's kind of pointless there's so many it's ridiculous. The two Big Hits, the two Rocks and Rolled Gold, original and reissue - which is basically Hot Rocks/More Hot Rocks combined, are all ya really need, but if you're collecting... good luck!
There are two Rolled Gold volumes, just like HR/MHR.
It's just a deluxe - expanded - reissue.
No, here's volume 2:
[iorr.org]
OMG that's ridiculous!
Allen Klien obviously thought Stones fans were dumb. The Stones only approved HOT ROCKS and MORE HOT ROCKS. Everything else was greedy Allen.
Well, HOT ROCKS was aimed for American market, while ROLLED GOLD, a couple of years later, for UK market. It, for example, includes all the early UK single A-sides in chronological order. For years it was considered THE compilation to cover the Decca years in certain markets. At the time I started collecting Stones albums here in Finland (early 80's), it was easier to run into than HOT ROCKS. I still think that it is one of the best Stones collections, compiled with a good taste.
But Klein's real greediness comes through in those countless, senseless compilations released through The 70's: STONE AGE, SWEET ROLLERS, MILESTONES, GIMME SHELTER, etc. etc. (And surely ROLLED GOLD vol 2 belongs to this list!). He kept on releasing them all over the world until The Stones were able to reach some kind of deal or a courtroom decision to stop it in early 80's (83?84?). Since then ABKCO's hands are limited to already by then released albums unless The Stones give an approval.
That said, some of those Klein compilations were pretty handy for a young collector. Especially NO STONE UNTURNED and COLLECTORS ONLY (what an apt title!) included single B-sides and other rare tracks difficult to find at the time.
- Doxa
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Yet UMe executives were extremely excited to have the entire Stones catalog "under one roof" or however they put it.
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Yet UMe executives were extremely excited to have the entire Stones catalog "under one roof" or however they put it.
Isn't ABKCO just distributed through Universal Music Group, which means that UMG doesn't own the publishing rights?
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The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.
For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.
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The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.
For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.
Don’t know where you have that information from, but the Decca releases in Europe was out of the hands of Klein until 1984.
So you are not correct.
And The Stones still have the power to veto any form of unreleased music from the Decca/London archives, which is why there are so few things unreleased things from the sixites. There is a reason why all ABKCO could do with their arcive material a few years ago, was to make copyright-dumps on Youtube for a few hours. It’s known they asked The Stones to make a deal with both Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed with many outtakes. But the band said no.
The few sixties things that has been released in recent times, always has a third party involved: BBC and Maysels films, for example.
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The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.
For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.
Don’t know where you have that information from, but the Decca releases in Europe was out of the hands of Klein until 1984.
So you are not correct.
And The Stones still have the power to veto any form of unreleased music from the Decca/London archives, which is why there are so few things unreleased things from the sixites. There is a reason why all ABKCO could do with their arcive material a few years ago, was to make copyright-dumps on Youtube for a few hours. It’s known they asked The Stones to make a deal with both Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed with many outtakes. But the band said no.
The few sixties things that has been released in recent times, always has a third party involved: BBC and Maysels films, for example.
To my understanding, Andrew Oldham started Nanker Phelge Music to manage the publishing rights of The Rolling Stones, which later on the interests were sold to Klein. Klein started Nanker Pheldge USA, which eventually took complete control over NPM, to manage Jagger-Richards, in which to Klein's doing, Klein made all the money from.
Guess who owned NPUSA? ABKCO Corporation.
Guess who leased the songs to Decca?
ABKCO.
Klein killed London Records. He gleefully allowed Decca to publish as many compilations that they wanted. Because Klein owned the publishing to anything recorded in 1962 through all but one song on STICKY FINGERS and five on EXILE, he was able to release leftovers on METAMORPHOSIS because the Stones, namely Mick and Keith, had zero control over any of the what is known as ABKCO Music.
So that's why people say Klein was greedy.
Apparently he could've done more, even with the agreement with Brown Sugar and Wild Horses, with the rest of the songs on SF and the 5 on EOMS.
To my understanding, since the court hearing in 1984 ABKCO Records was not allowed to publish anything unreleased, only what was already available, hence what's only been remastered on CD by ABKCO, which doesn't explain the 2007 digital issue of ROLLED GOLD+ with an additional 12 tracks added to it.
Extremely likely reasons for the proposed 1972 live album being shelved is because of the very high royalty rate that ABKCO demanded (Klein took 100% of the publishing rights, remember), which was knocked down in a lawsuit for the Stones to be able to release LOVE YOU LIVE.
So that's my understanding of it, which boils down to one thing:
Klein owned the rights to the music and leased it to Decca.
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OMG that's ridiculous!
Allen Klien obviously thought Stones fans were dumb. The Stones only approved HOT ROCKS and MORE HOT ROCKS. Everything else was greedy Allen.
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The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.
For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.
Don’t know where you have that information from, but the Decca releases in Europe was out of the hands of Klein until 1984.
So you are not correct.
And The Stones still have the power to veto any form of unreleased music from the Decca/London archives, which is why there are so few things unreleased things from the sixites. There is a reason why all ABKCO could do with their arcive material a few years ago, was to make copyright-dumps on Youtube for a few hours. It’s known they asked The Stones to make a deal with both Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed with many outtakes. But the band said no.
The few sixties things that has been released in recent times, always has a third party involved: BBC and Maysels films, for example.
To my understanding, Andrew Oldham started Nanker Phelge Music to manage the publishing rights of The Rolling Stones, which later on the interests were sold to Klein. Klein started Nanker Pheldge USA, which eventually took complete control over NPM, to manage Jagger-Richards, in which to Klein's doing, Klein made all the money from.
Guess who owned NPUSA? ABKCO Corporation.
Guess who leased the songs to Decca?
ABKCO.
Klein killed London Records. He gleefully allowed Decca to publish as many compilations that they wanted. Because Klein owned the publishing to anything recorded in 1962 through all but one song on STICKY FINGERS and five on EXILE, he was able to release leftovers on METAMORPHOSIS because the Stones, namely Mick and Keith, had zero control over any of the what is known as ABKCO Music.
So that's why people say Klein was greedy.
Apparently he could've done more, even with the agreement with Brown Sugar and Wild Horses, with the rest of the songs on SF and the 5 on EOMS.
To my understanding, since the court hearing in 1984 ABKCO Records was not allowed to publish anything unreleased, only what was already available, hence what's only been remastered on CD by ABKCO, which doesn't explain the 2007 digital issue of ROLLED GOLD+ with an additional 12 tracks added to it.
Extremely likely reasons for the proposed 1972 live album being shelved is because of the very high royalty rate that ABKCO demanded (Klein took 100% of the publishing rights, remember), which was knocked down in a lawsuit for the Stones to be able to release LOVE YOU LIVE.
So that's my understanding of it, which boils down to one thing:
Klein owned the rights to the music and leased it to Decca.
Well, there are quotes out there on the internet stating the opposite: Klein did not control the Decca Europe releases.
Anyway, Rolled Gold+ happend because ABKCO can put out any compilation they want, as long as it doesn’t include anything that hasn’t been released before.
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Rockman
thee last one is the classic Hackney Diamonds .... I know that much
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MADE IN THE SHADE, TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE, SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES and REWIND as well as Sticky Fingers (Spanish edition) were released for the whole world, not only in Japan. See e.g.
[www.discogs.com]
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MADE IN THE SHADE, TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE, SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES and REWIND as well as Sticky Fingers (Spanish edition) were released for the whole world, not only in Japan. See e.g.
[www.discogs.com]
MADE IN THE SHADE was a world wide release.
TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE was available everywhere but the US - and it still isn't. JUMP BACK was a UK release until 2004 but is the 1993 release, it was never updated.
REWIND was the third and last compilation to have different tracks on it in the UK vs the US. The first was HIGH TIDE and then THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY (the last Stones authorized Decca/London/ABKCO compilation).
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MADE IN THE SHADE, TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE, SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES and REWIND as well as Sticky Fingers (Spanish edition) were released for the whole world, not only in Japan. See e.g.
[www.discogs.com]
MADE IN THE SHADE was a world wide release.
TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE was available everywhere but the US - and it still isn't. JUMP BACK was a UK release until 2004 but is the 1993 release, it was never updated.
REWIND was the third and last compilation to have different tracks on it in the UK vs the US. The first was HIGH TIDE and then THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY (the last Stones authorized Decca/London/ABKCO compilation).
Wasn't the 2019 reissue released in the US?