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Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Ricky ()
Date: July 9, 2024 21:09

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Richard from Canada
Online I can't seem to get an accurate chronological list of every legal Stones album out there in the North American market. Even with AI there seems to be at least one missing album. Does anyone here have that complete list? I am trying to organize my collection properly. Thanks.

Richard

This ??
ENGLAND'S NEWEST HITMAKERS - THE ROLLING STONES (5/64)
12 X 5 (10/64)
THE ROLLING STONES, NOW! (2/65)
OUT OF OUR HEADS (7/65)
DECEMBER'S CHILDREN (AND EVERYBODY'S) (11/65)
BIG HITS (HIGH TIDE AND GREEN GRASS) (4/66)
AFTERMATH (6/66)
GOT LIVE IF YOU WANT IT! (11/6)
BETWEEN THE BUTTONS (1/67)
FLOWERS (6/67)
THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES REQUEST (11/67)
BEGGARS BANQUET (12/68)
THROUGH THE PAST, DARKLY (BIG HITS VOL.2) (9/69)
THE PROMOTIONAL ALBUM (10/69)
LET IT BLEED (12/69)
GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! THE ROLLING STONES IN CONCERT (9/70)
STICKY FINGERS (4/71)
HOT ROCKS 1964 - 1971 (1/72)
EXILE ON MAIN ST (5/72)
MORE HOT ROCKS (BIG HITS & FAZED COOKIES) (12/72)
GOAT'S HEAD SOUP (8/73)
IT'S ONLY ROCK'N ROLL (10/74)
MADE IN THE SHADE (71 - 74) (6/75)
METAMORPHOSIS (64 - 69) (6/75)
SONGS OF THE ROLLING STONES (1975)
BLACK AND BLUE (4/76)
30 GREATEST HITS (10/77)
LOVE YOU LIVE (9/77)
SOME GIRLS (6/78)
EMOTIONAL RESCUE (6/80)
SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES (3/81)
TATTOO YOU (10/81)
STILL LIFE (AMERICAN CONCERT 1981) (6/82)
UNDERCOVER (11/83)
REWIND 1971 - 1984 (7/84)
DIRTY WORK (4/86)
THE ROLLING STONES SINGLES COLLECTION: THE LONDON YEARS (8/89)
STEEL WHEELS (8/89)
FLASHPOINT (4/91)
VOODOO LOUNGE (7/94)
STRIPPED (11/95)
BRIDGES TO BABYLON (8/97)
NO SECURITY (11/98)
FORTY LICKS (10/02)
JUMP BACK '71 - '93 (8/04)
LIVE LICKS (11/04)
A BIGGER BANG (9/05)
RARITIES 1971 - 2003 (11/05)
SHINE A LIGHT (4/08)
GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! THE ROLLING STONES IN CONCERT (40th ANNIVERSARY SUPER DELUXE EDITION) (11/09)
EXILE ON MAIN ST (SUPER DELUXE EDITION) (5/10)
SOME GIRLS - DELUXE (11/11)
SOME GIRLS - LIVE IN TEXAS '78 (9/12)
CHARLIE IS MY DARLING - IRELAND 1965 (11/12)
THE BRUSSELS AFFAIR (11/12)
GRRR! (12/12)
THE VERY BEST OF THE ROLLING STONES 1964 - 1971 (4/13)
SWEET SUMMER SUN - HYDE PARK LIVE (11/13)
FROM THE VAULT - HAMPTON COLISEUM (LIVE IN 1981) (11/14)
FROM THE VAULT - L. A. FORUM (LIVE IN 1975) (11/14)
THE MUSIC OF THE ROLLING STONES 1983-2015 (2014)
STICKY FINGERS DELUXE (6/15)
FROM THE VAULT - THE MARQUEE CLUB (LIVE IN 1971) (6/15)
FROM THE VAULT - TOKYO DOME (LIVE IN 1990) (10/15)
FROM THE VAULT - LIVE IN LEEDS 1982 (11/15)
TOTALLY STRIPPED (6/16)
HAVANA MOON (11/16)
BLUE & LONESOME (11/16)
ON AIR (12/17)
FROM THE VAULT: NO SECURITY - SAN JOSE '99 (7/18)
VOODOO LOUNGE UNCUT (11/18)
HONK (4/19)
BRIDGES TO BREMEN (6/19)
BRIDGES TO BUENOS AIRES (11/19)
GOATS HEAD SOUP DELUXE (9/20)
STEEL WHEELS LIVE ATLANTIC CITY NEW JERSEY (9/20)
A BIGGER BANG - LIVE ON COPACABANA BEACH (9/21)
TATTOO YOU DELUXE (10/21)
EL MOCAMBO 1977 (5/22)
LICKED LIVE IN NYC (6/22)
GRRR LIVE! (2/23)
HACKNEY DIAMONDS (10/23)
LIVE AT THE WILTERN (3/24)
LIVE AT RACKET · NYC (4/24)



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-11 19:58 by Ricky.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Undercover1 ()
Date: July 9, 2024 21:46

Missing Steel Wheels.....

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 9, 2024 23:50

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Undercover1
Missing Steel Wheels.....

LOL I was reading that and my eyes went numb... and there's no STEEL WHEELS! I didn't even see that.

Also missing:

Brussels
Havana Moon
Tattoo You deluxe

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: July 10, 2024 13:59

And if I spotted rightly, the gorilla album is missing, as is ON AIR as well. And ROCK AND ROLL CIRCUS.

- Doxa



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-10 14:04 by Doxa.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: July 10, 2024 15:17

OK, well Stone Age ain't in there yet either, and Jump Back originally came out in Europe in the 90s.

And what about the French picture album from 1970?

And all the box sets starting with the 3 CD singles boxes from 2004-6(?), 45x45 singles box set, the 1963-69 and 1971-2005, the MONO box form 2016, and then the coloured MONO box from 2023. The 1971-2016 box. And there were several different versions of GRRR, and HONK.

If we're going for completism there are a lot of gaps at the moment.

....and the MFSL series box from the 80s, as well as the individual MFSL Sticky and Some Girls.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-10 15:19 by treaclefingers.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Date: July 10, 2024 20:20

The Rolling Stones
The Rolling Stones No 2
Light The Fuse
Live In Paris 67 (digital iTunes release)
Around And Around
+ countless European compilations

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Ricky ()
Date: July 10, 2024 20:45

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treaclefingers
OK, well Stone Age ain't in there yet either, and Jump Back originally came out in Europe in the 90s.

And what about the French picture album from 1970?

And all the box sets starting with the 3 CD singles boxes from 2004-6(?), 45x45 singles box set, the 1963-69 and 1971-2005, the MONO box form 2016, and then the coloured MONO box from 2023. The 1971-2016 box. And there were several different versions of GRRR, and HONK.

If we're going for completism there are a lot of gaps at the moment.

....and the MFSL series box from the 80s, as well as the individual MFSL Sticky and Some Girls.

He asked for US albums, not European or Japanese ones

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Ricky ()
Date: July 10, 2024 20:50

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DandelionPowderman
The Rolling Stones
The Rolling Stones No 2
Light The Fuse
Live In Paris 67 (digital iTunes release)
Around And Around
+ countless European compilations

Richard from Canada asked for "chronological list of every legal Stones album out there in the North American market"

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: July 10, 2024 21:30

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Ricky
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treaclefingers
OK, well Stone Age ain't in there yet either, and Jump Back originally came out in Europe in the 90s.

And what about the French picture album from 1970?

And all the box sets starting with the 3 CD singles boxes from 2004-6(?), 45x45 singles box set, the 1963-69 and 1971-2005, the MONO box form 2016, and then the coloured MONO box from 2023. The 1971-2016 box. And there were several different versions of GRRR, and HONK.

If we're going for completism there are a lot of gaps at the moment.

....and the MFSL series box from the 80s, as well as the individual MFSL Sticky and Some Girls.

He asked for US albums, not European or Japanese ones

So Ricky...are you suggesting "I got some 'splaining to do?"

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Date: July 11, 2024 10:30

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Ricky
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DandelionPowderman
The Rolling Stones
The Rolling Stones No 2
Light The Fuse
Live In Paris 67 (digital iTunes release)
Around And Around
+ countless European compilations

Richard from Canada asked for "chronological list of every legal Stones album out there in the North American market"

Ah, thanks!

Only two of them are valid, then smiling smiley

Light The Fuse
Live In Paris 1967



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-07-12 01:22 by DandelionPowderman.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 11, 2024 18:55

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Doxa
And if I spotted rightly, the gorilla album is missing, as is ON AIR as well. And ROCK AND ROLL CIRCUS.

- Doxa

LOL I really tune that one out so I didn't notice it missing.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Ricky ()
Date: July 11, 2024 20:01

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GasLightStreet
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Undercover1
Missing Steel Wheels.....

LOL I was reading that and my eyes went numb... and there's no STEEL WHEELS! I didn't even see that.

Also missing:

Brussels
Havana Moon
Tattoo You deluxe


Thanks to both: it was a hastily made list. Now corrected

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 11, 2024 23:31

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Ricky
Quote
GasLightStreet
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Undercover1
Missing Steel Wheels.....

LOL I was reading that and my eyes went numb... and there's no STEEL WHEELS! I didn't even see that.

Also missing:

Brussels
Havana Moon
Tattoo You deluxe


Thanks to both: it was a hastily made list. Now corrected

It's A LOT to look at!

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 14, 2024 21:23

24 official (live) bootlegs, not all FROM THE VAULT.

I have 6 hard copies, I think, and three digital (or I did, stupid Google Play).

Anyone have them all?

The box set of GYYYO is probably the best expanded edition of any of their reissues (at least in name only). Mocambo has to be the best live release, though, with LIVE IN TEXAS and BRUSSELS tied for 2nd.

Perhaps TOTALLY STRIPPED is on its own (I got the 3 TS shows, FRIDAY, BRUSSELS, TOKYO, HAMPTON and ROUNDHOUSE/LEEDS on Google Play/YouTube Music, which does me almost no good at all). I swear I have 1982's LIVE AT LEEDS on CD. It's interesting to compare that to HAMPTON, which is a lot of fun on a rainy day.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: July 15, 2024 01:32

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Doxa
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GasLightStreet
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DandelionPowderman
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GasLightStreet
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DandelionPowderman
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GasLightStreet
So you'd have to create it, basically, by plugging in wherever chronologically, on one list:

For example... 1968-1981

Beggars
Through The Past Darkly
Let It Bleed
GYYYO
Sticky Fingers
Hot Rocks
Exile
More Hot Rocks
GHS
IORR
Metamorphosis
Made In The Shade
Rolled Gold
Black And Blue
Love You Live
Some Girls
Time Waits For No One
Sucking In The Seventies
Tattoo You


If you want to include every Decca era compilation... it's kind of pointless there's so many it's ridiculous. The two Big Hits, the two Rocks and Rolled Gold, original and reissue - which is basically Hot Rocks/More Hot Rocks combined, are all ya really need, but if you're collecting... good luck!

There are two Rolled Gold volumes, just like HR/MHR.

It's just a deluxe - expanded - reissue.

No, here's volume 2:

[iorr.org]

OMG that's ridiculous!

Allen Klien obviously thought Stones fans were dumb. The Stones only approved HOT ROCKS and MORE HOT ROCKS. Everything else was greedy Allen.

Well, HOT ROCKS was aimed for American market, while ROLLED GOLD, a couple of years later, for UK market. It, for example, includes all the early UK single A-sides in chronological order. For years it was considered THE compilation to cover the Decca years in certain markets. At the time I started collecting Stones albums here in Finland (early 80's), it was easier to run into than HOT ROCKS. I still think that it is one of the best Stones collections, compiled with a good taste.

But Klein's real greediness comes through in those countless, senseless compilations released through The 70's: STONE AGE, SWEET ROLLERS, MILESTONES, GIMME SHELTER, etc. etc. (And surely ROLLED GOLD vol 2 belongs to this list!). He kept on releasing them all over the world until The Stones were able to reach some kind of deal or a courtroom decision to stop it in early 80's (83?84?). Since then ABKCO's hands are limited to already by then released albums unless The Stones give an approval.

That said, some of those Klein compilations were pretty handy for a young collector. Especially NO STONE UNTURNED and COLLECTORS ONLY (what an apt title!) included single B-sides and other rare tracks difficult to find at the time.

- Doxa

That’s not accurate. Klein had zero to do with what Decca in England released. He had no power, nor did The Stones, over those Decca compilations like Stone Age or Milestones. Decca could release what they wanted as long as it was in Europe. This also included Decca in Germany with their endless compilations. All that stopped, however, when Klein gained the rights to control the recordings worldwide.
It was sometime during the eighties.
There is an interview online with Klein and Oldham where Klein explains that the London CD’s are not in their control, for example.



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Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 15, 2024 10:06

ABKCO Music owned the publishing of The Rolling Stones 1960s catalog, which extended into the 1970s as far as 5 songs on EXILE.

The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.

In 2024 it doesn't matter - Decca and ABKCO are under UMG/UMe, whatever you want to call them. HACKNEY DIAMONDS was released by Polydor and Geffen: names owned by UMe.

YET The Rolling Stones have 0% control over the ABKCO Music publishing (1963-1970 - which includes 5 tracks on EXILE).

The Rolling Stones, signed with UMG, have 0% control over their UMG owned ABKCO Records albums.

Yet UMe executives were extremely excited to have the entire Stones catalog "under one roof" or however they put it.

For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: July 15, 2024 11:33

Well. I suppose that's because UMG now own the whole catalogue ...and Stones have no more control over them than they did over ABKCO.

Though you might now expect UMG to have a bit more imagination with how they use that total control.

For the Stones themselves...well, though not as bad as he used to be, Mick still doesn't like living the past.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: July 15, 2024 13:25

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GasLightStreet

Yet UMe executives were extremely excited to have the entire Stones catalog "under one roof" or however they put it.

Isn't ABKCO just distributed through Universal Music Group, which means that UMG doesn't own the publishing rights?

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 16, 2024 00:16

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Irix
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GasLightStreet

Yet UMe executives were extremely excited to have the entire Stones catalog "under one roof" or however they put it.

Isn't ABKCO just distributed through Universal Music Group, which means that UMG doesn't own the publishing rights?

Correct. Distributed "all under one roof". UMe doesn't own 1971-2005 as well.

Agreement between ABKCO and The Rolling Stones, as stated in that court hearing in 1984, from what I understand, allowed, for example, HOT ROCKS etc to be issued and reissued on CD as well as FORTY LICKS to be reissued (which still doesn't make much sense considering that ridiculous 2012 compilation of 40, 50 or 80 songs is still in print).

The Stones via whatever label, which they've done multiple times now with Atlantic, CBS, Virgin and now UMe, can release Brown Sugar and Wild Horses on as many compilations as they want because they own the recordings (as far as I know - they took the tapes, obviously, with them to finish the songs in London and mix STICKY FINGERS but the publishing rights are ABKCO Music).

ABKCO could include the rest of the tracks on STICKY FINGERS and the five on EXILE to release on a comp if the Stones agree to it.

Otherwise BS and WH are fair game no matter what for ABCKO to release as many times they want (the Stones have released them more times than ABCKO - ABCKO 4 times, Stones - Brown Sugar 7 times, Wild Horses 5 times not including STICKY FINGERS).

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: July 21, 2024 06:43

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GasLightStreet
The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.

For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.

Don’t know where you have that information from, but the Decca releases in Europe was out of the hands of Klein until 1984.
So you are not correct.

And The Stones still have the power to veto any form of unreleased music from the Decca/London archives, which is why there are so few things unreleased things from the sixites. There is a reason why all ABKCO could do with their arcive material a few years ago, was to make copyright-dumps on Youtube for a few hours. It’s known they asked The Stones to make a deal with both Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed with many outtakes. But the band said no.

The few sixties things that has been released in recent times, always has a third party involved: BBC and Maysels films, for example.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 21, 2024 22:21

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Blueranger
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GasLightStreet
The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.

For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.

Don’t know where you have that information from, but the Decca releases in Europe was out of the hands of Klein until 1984.
So you are not correct.

And The Stones still have the power to veto any form of unreleased music from the Decca/London archives, which is why there are so few things unreleased things from the sixites. There is a reason why all ABKCO could do with their arcive material a few years ago, was to make copyright-dumps on Youtube for a few hours. It’s known they asked The Stones to make a deal with both Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed with many outtakes. But the band said no.

The few sixties things that has been released in recent times, always has a third party involved: BBC and Maysels films, for example.

To my understanding, Andrew Oldham started Nanker Phelge Music to manage the publishing rights of The Rolling Stones, which later on the interests were sold to Klein. Klein started Nanker Pheldge USA, which eventually took complete control over NPM, to manage Jagger-Richards, in which to Klein's doing, Klein made all the money from.

Guess who owned NPUSA? ABKCO Corporation.

Guess who leased the songs to Decca?

ABKCO.

Klein killed London Records. He gleefully allowed Decca to publish as many compilations that they wanted. Because Klein owned the publishing to anything recorded in 1962 through all but one song on STICKY FINGERS and five on EXILE, he was able to release leftovers on METAMORPHOSIS because the Stones, namely Mick and Keith, had zero control over any of the what is known as ABKCO Music.

So that's why people say Klein was greedy.

Apparently he could've done more, even with the agreement with Brown Sugar and Wild Horses, with the rest of the songs on SF and the 5 on EOMS.

To my understanding, since the court hearing in 1984 ABKCO Records was not allowed to publish anything unreleased, only what was already available, hence what's only been remastered on CD by ABKCO, which doesn't explain the 2007 digital issue of ROLLED GOLD+ with an additional 12 tracks added to it.

Extremely likely reasons for the proposed 1972 live album being shelved is because of the very high royalty rate that ABKCO demanded (Klein took 100% of the publishing rights, remember), which was knocked down in a lawsuit for the Stones to be able to release LOVE YOU LIVE.

So that's my understanding of it, which boils down to one thing:

Klein owned the rights to the music and leased it to Decca.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: July 22, 2024 00:46

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GasLightStreet
Quote
Blueranger
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GasLightStreet
The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.

For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.

Don’t know where you have that information from, but the Decca releases in Europe was out of the hands of Klein until 1984.
So you are not correct.

And The Stones still have the power to veto any form of unreleased music from the Decca/London archives, which is why there are so few things unreleased things from the sixites. There is a reason why all ABKCO could do with their arcive material a few years ago, was to make copyright-dumps on Youtube for a few hours. It’s known they asked The Stones to make a deal with both Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed with many outtakes. But the band said no.

The few sixties things that has been released in recent times, always has a third party involved: BBC and Maysels films, for example.

To my understanding, Andrew Oldham started Nanker Phelge Music to manage the publishing rights of The Rolling Stones, which later on the interests were sold to Klein. Klein started Nanker Pheldge USA, which eventually took complete control over NPM, to manage Jagger-Richards, in which to Klein's doing, Klein made all the money from.

Guess who owned NPUSA? ABKCO Corporation.

Guess who leased the songs to Decca?

ABKCO.

Klein killed London Records. He gleefully allowed Decca to publish as many compilations that they wanted. Because Klein owned the publishing to anything recorded in 1962 through all but one song on STICKY FINGERS and five on EXILE, he was able to release leftovers on METAMORPHOSIS because the Stones, namely Mick and Keith, had zero control over any of the what is known as ABKCO Music.

So that's why people say Klein was greedy.

Apparently he could've done more, even with the agreement with Brown Sugar and Wild Horses, with the rest of the songs on SF and the 5 on EOMS.

To my understanding, since the court hearing in 1984 ABKCO Records was not allowed to publish anything unreleased, only what was already available, hence what's only been remastered on CD by ABKCO, which doesn't explain the 2007 digital issue of ROLLED GOLD+ with an additional 12 tracks added to it.

Extremely likely reasons for the proposed 1972 live album being shelved is because of the very high royalty rate that ABKCO demanded (Klein took 100% of the publishing rights, remember), which was knocked down in a lawsuit for the Stones to be able to release LOVE YOU LIVE.

So that's my understanding of it, which boils down to one thing:

Klein owned the rights to the music and leased it to Decca.

Well, there are quotes out there on the internet stating the opposite: Klein did not control the Decca Europe releases.

Anyway, Rolled Gold+ happend because ABKCO can put out any compilation they want, as long as it doesn’t include anything that hasn’t been released before.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: makim ()
Date: July 22, 2024 19:03

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DandelionPowderman
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GasLightStreet


No, here's volume 2:

[iorr.org]

OMG that's ridiculous!

Allen Klien obviously thought Stones fans were dumb. The Stones only approved HOT ROCKS and MORE HOT ROCKS. Everything else was greedy Allen.

I don't think so, Hot Rocks / More Hot Rocks were compilations for the US market but they were not released in Europe (or am I mistaken?). Rolled Gold and later Rolled Gold Vol. 2 were compilations for some European markets, among them Germany. Rolled Gold was the first Stones music I bought in the second half of the seventies and I still love it.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: July 23, 2024 05:57

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Blueranger
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GasLightStreet
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Blueranger
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GasLightStreet
The Decca releases were because of Allen Klein. If ABKCO Music didn't allow it, it didn't get released.

For whatever reason The Rolling Stones still have zero ability to say 123 about ABKCO releasing whatever they want.

Don’t know where you have that information from, but the Decca releases in Europe was out of the hands of Klein until 1984.
So you are not correct.

And The Stones still have the power to veto any form of unreleased music from the Decca/London archives, which is why there are so few things unreleased things from the sixites. There is a reason why all ABKCO could do with their arcive material a few years ago, was to make copyright-dumps on Youtube for a few hours. It’s known they asked The Stones to make a deal with both Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed with many outtakes. But the band said no.

The few sixties things that has been released in recent times, always has a third party involved: BBC and Maysels films, for example.

To my understanding, Andrew Oldham started Nanker Phelge Music to manage the publishing rights of The Rolling Stones, which later on the interests were sold to Klein. Klein started Nanker Pheldge USA, which eventually took complete control over NPM, to manage Jagger-Richards, in which to Klein's doing, Klein made all the money from.

Guess who owned NPUSA? ABKCO Corporation.

Guess who leased the songs to Decca?

ABKCO.

Klein killed London Records. He gleefully allowed Decca to publish as many compilations that they wanted. Because Klein owned the publishing to anything recorded in 1962 through all but one song on STICKY FINGERS and five on EXILE, he was able to release leftovers on METAMORPHOSIS because the Stones, namely Mick and Keith, had zero control over any of the what is known as ABKCO Music.

So that's why people say Klein was greedy.

Apparently he could've done more, even with the agreement with Brown Sugar and Wild Horses, with the rest of the songs on SF and the 5 on EOMS.

To my understanding, since the court hearing in 1984 ABKCO Records was not allowed to publish anything unreleased, only what was already available, hence what's only been remastered on CD by ABKCO, which doesn't explain the 2007 digital issue of ROLLED GOLD+ with an additional 12 tracks added to it.

Extremely likely reasons for the proposed 1972 live album being shelved is because of the very high royalty rate that ABKCO demanded (Klein took 100% of the publishing rights, remember), which was knocked down in a lawsuit for the Stones to be able to release LOVE YOU LIVE.

So that's my understanding of it, which boils down to one thing:

Klein owned the rights to the music and leased it to Decca.

Well, there are quotes out there on the internet stating the opposite: Klein did not control the Decca Europe releases.

Anyway, Rolled Gold+ happend because ABKCO can put out any compilation they want, as long as it doesn’t include anything that hasn’t been released before.

Klein never controlled Decca. But you better believe he insisted on what they released.

That fact is very simple: he, via ABKCO, leased their music, which he owned, to Decca, to release as they saw fit, the last being in 1982.

The ROLLED GOLD+ (ABKCO) was never previously released. However it includes tracks that were previously released by Decca. Nothing the Stones can say about that.

The reissue of FORTY LICKS - completely unnecessary. UMe reissued MADE IN THE SHADE, TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE, SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES and REWIND in Japan. Why not the rest of the world, then?

Promotone has made weird decisions but so has Klein/ABKCO.

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: July 23, 2024 08:27

MADE IN THE SHADE, TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE, SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES and REWIND as well as Sticky Fingers (Spanish edition) were released for the whole world, not only in Japan. See e.g.
[www.discogs.com]



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Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: stonesurvive ()
Date: August 14, 2024 09:04

..............I always thought that the singers and writers still received a writers and performance fee even if the catalog was sold?

............It would "gnaw" at me if I had sold all of that catalog so early in the game. (supposedly Klein wouldn't let up, so they gave into him)thumbs down

Can somebody break it down?

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: stonesurvive ()
Date: August 14, 2024 09:05

Quote
Rockman
thee last one is the classic Hackney Diamonds .... I know that much

thumbs up.Nice, I got that comment!!!smileys with beerdrinking smiley

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: August 15, 2024 20:49

Quote
ironbelly
MADE IN THE SHADE, TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE, SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES and REWIND as well as Sticky Fingers (Spanish edition) were released for the whole world, not only in Japan. See e.g.
[www.discogs.com]

MADE IN THE SHADE was a world wide release.

TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE was available everywhere but the US - and it still isn't. JUMP BACK was a UK release until 2004 but is the 1993 release, it was never updated.

REWIND was the third and last compilation to have different tracks on it in the UK vs the US. The first was HIGH TIDE and then THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY (the last Stones authorized Decca/London/ABKCO compilation).

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Date: August 16, 2024 11:25

Quote
GasLightStreet
Quote
ironbelly
MADE IN THE SHADE, TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE, SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES and REWIND as well as Sticky Fingers (Spanish edition) were released for the whole world, not only in Japan. See e.g.
[www.discogs.com]

MADE IN THE SHADE was a world wide release.

TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE was available everywhere but the US - and it still isn't. JUMP BACK was a UK release until 2004 but is the 1993 release, it was never updated.

REWIND was the third and last compilation to have different tracks on it in the UK vs the US. The first was HIGH TIDE and then THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY (the last Stones authorized Decca/London/ABKCO compilation).

Wasn't the 2019 reissue released in the US?

Re: RS Albums in order including studio, live, and compilations
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: August 16, 2024 20:44

Quote
DandelionPowderman
Quote
GasLightStreet
Quote
ironbelly
MADE IN THE SHADE, TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE, SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES and REWIND as well as Sticky Fingers (Spanish edition) were released for the whole world, not only in Japan. See e.g.
[www.discogs.com]

MADE IN THE SHADE was a world wide release.

TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE was available everywhere but the US - and it still isn't. JUMP BACK was a UK release until 2004 but is the 1993 release, it was never updated.

REWIND was the third and last compilation to have different tracks on it in the UK vs the US. The first was HIGH TIDE and then THROUGH THE PAST DARKLY (the last Stones authorized Decca/London/ABKCO compilation).

Wasn't the 2019 reissue released in the US?

Japan only. And it's the censored version of Star Star!



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